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If there was no ego, who would you be?
    #615558 - 04/22/02 02:41 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

If there was no ego then who would you be? Is ego just an interference to the true self?


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Re: If there was no ego, who would you be? [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #615582 - 04/22/02 03:28 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

We would be god.


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Re: If there was no ego, who would you be? [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #615595 - 04/22/02 03:47 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

How would we communicate with no ego?


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Re: If there was no ego, who would you be? [Re: Droz]
    #615598 - 04/22/02 03:50 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

why don't you take enough shrooms to loose your ego, then come back and tell us the answer.


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Re: If there was no ego, who would you be? [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #615615 - 04/22/02 04:11 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I think every night when you sleep your ego disappears (but it reasserts itself in your dreams). I don't have the dictionary definition in front of me, but isn't the ego in simplist terms, based on self awareness?


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Re: If there was no ego, who would you be? [Re: ]
    #615625 - 04/22/02 04:42 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

i took about five grams once and almost started crying as i realized that everyone has a soul and there most definately was a god. at the time i tried to write it down but i ended up getting lost in a whole other thought and writing was extremely diffficult.

when people trip they are totally different people.

question: is ego the structure of how u are brought up and how your brain filters things? like one thing would piss someone off while another person would find no problem with the same thing...?


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Re: If there was no ego, who would you be? [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #615651 - 04/20/02 10:19 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I think that's part of it. Simply put, the ego is the illusion of separation. It is what stops us from realizing we are one with god, the universe and everything. When the illusion of the ego is dissolved, we rejoin the overwhelming *force* that we call "god". The reason we exist as seperate entities is so that we can learn by experience what we already knew fundamentally. We are god, and god is love. The ego is not a bad thing, it is simply a necessary thing. Only by forgetting can we remember through experience who we are.

But all that sounds too serious. Life is fun, too :O)


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Re: If there was no ego, who would you be? [Re: Revelation]
    #615838 - 04/22/02 11:33 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

yes, right on. But i don't think the ego is necesary. It necesarily exists in every person. Nobody is born enlightened. Well, actually i guess everyone is born enlightened, but immediately begins the contrsuction of the ego. Then later on we can try to take it apart.

But to answer the questio in a formal way, Buddhism psychology says that the self is a concept made up of parts: sights, sounds, tastes, smells, physical senstaions, and mental activities. All are in constant motion, and no part is solid, enduring, or can be grasped. As thus we are nothing more than our experience - the unfolding of sights sounds, thoughts, etcetera.

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Re: If there was no ego, who would you be? [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #615897 - 04/23/02 12:53 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I am under the understanding that we could not exsist without the ego for it is directed by the higher self, it creates our perceptions of reality. However the ego can be corrupted as we can all see in todays society with materialsim and lack of spiritual knowledge.


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Re: If there was no ego, who would you be? [Re: cHeMiCaLbLuE]
    #616015 - 04/23/02 04:34 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

If there was no ego, we would all be one.


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Re: If there was no ego, who would you be? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #616245 - 04/23/02 12:18 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Blue is right, if you exist, then you have an ego.

However, sometimes i get this funny feeling when im tripping balls that if i didnt have an ego, i would simply become an infinate spiral in the fractal lattice of reality where each life serves an integral purpose in creating the whole but, like a fractal image, it must be percieved from the proper perspective lest existance will appear meaningless.


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Re: If there was no ego, who would you be? [Re: Catalysis]
    #616427 - 04/23/02 03:39 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

i dont know. maybe our definitions of ego are getting mixed up, but enlightenment is the elimination of the ego - that is the 'I' that considers itself seperate from all other phenomena of existence. There are lots of enlightened masters out there, so I don't think that you MUST have an ego if you exist...
Also, if nobody had an ego than infidel would be right we would be one, but not in a literal way, and I think this understanding is beyond our meager thinking.
Shunryu Suzuki, roshi said: "We usually think that if something is not one, it is more than one; if it is not singular, it is plural. But in actual experience, our life is not only plural, but also singular. Each one of us is both dependant and independant."

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Re: If there was no ego, who would you be? [Re: JPAtanat]
    #616469 - 04/23/02 04:24 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Doesn't the fact that these people ARE "enlightened masters" make them inherintly distinguishable from others and the world as the common definition of ego would imply? i think there is a difference between just being humble and the actual elimination of ego.
sorry if i misinterpereted


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Re: If there was no ego, who would you be? [Re: JPAtanat]
    #616519 - 04/23/02 05:33 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

it is impossible to do away with the ego unless you are completely tuned back into the source literally not metaphorically, hence the return to the source would destroy the ego in " real time ". enlightenment diminishes the materialistic aspects of the ego only, hence the " materialistic ego death " of shrooms which i had explained unknowingly in my post, molecule syndrome.


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Re: If there was no ego, who would you be? [Re: JPAtanat]
    #616528 - 04/23/02 05:46 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

There are lots of enlightened masters out there...
Out where? How does one distinguish an enlightened master form one who merely makes that claim?


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Re: If there was no ego, who would you be? [Re: cHeMiCaLbLuE]
    #616780 - 04/23/02 10:35 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

i do not know exactly what you mean, chemblue. If the ego cannot be done away with until death, what is it? What material aspects of the ego are there? Are you saying that the body is the ego? I am confused, please explain.


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Re: If there was no ego, who would you be? *DELETED* [Re: Swami]
    #616791 - 04/23/02 10:46 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: If there was no ego, who would you be? [Re: Swami]
    #616794 - 04/23/02 10:50 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Swami, I know this will be unsatisfactory to you, but when you meet an enlightened master, you just know. If you have an open mind, there is no doubt. You must be very deluded and caught up in discursive thought and endless "reasoning" to be able to look Truth in the face and not be able to recognize it. Do you doubt the enlightenment of the Dalai Lama?

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Re: If there was no ego, who would you be? [Re: JPAtanat]
    #616877 - 04/24/02 12:10 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

This board is full of egos.


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Re: If there was no ego, who would you be? [Re: JPAtanat]
    #616922 - 04/24/02 01:57 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

JPatanat:
I've never met the Dalai Lama, read any of his books, hell, I know very little about him. Suppose I were to meet him, have a long conservation with him, and decided he were a crock of shit and in no way enlightened in any form(including your brief definition/description), how would this make me sad? Perhaps if I went into the meeting with a preconceived notion of talking to an "enlightened one" and finding out he was a scam, I would probably be disappointed, maybe even sad.

Swami-JP senses a great deal of sadness in your life, it sounds like he might pity you. Do you need a shoulder to lean on, I know the life of the skeptic can be quite depressing? Some uppers?
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