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Freedom through freedom
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If you want to be 'free' then quit giving a damn about what stuff is. It doesn't matter if life sucks or if it is the best thing ever. Two people will tell you life is two different things. What is it REALLY? Well, it is life. This is the entire point.

Wallowing in your unenlightenedness or pridefully swinging your super enlightenedness around are both entirely divine, both are a part of the whole. All experience is divine experience. All is inseparable from God. So a rather unfulfilling and boring day is part of God too. By experiencing, it is our privelege to experience that. Simply because we are! YOU EXIST, you know? You are! Have we realized this? You are here, experiencing.

It means that all this and that and this and that is not a problem at all, this is divine experience as well. You already are what you are looking for. The fact that maybe you see it or maybe you don't is divine as well. So settle into your divinity. It is here and it can never go away, and it will never appear after sitting for 50 years in a monastery to slap you around and say, "Hey! NOW I'm here! It's a good thing you meditated for 50 years. Otherwise I wouldn't be here...Now you can relax. Life easymode turned on! Wooooo!"

Because it IS here! And if you have to go meditate for 50 years to see that it has already been here then that is fine and Godly too. But why wait? Why not just say fuck all that and realize it already? A bird pooping on you is Godly too.

Nothing is supposed to be anything. Thinking this life should be oh so divine or should be fun or should always be happy is the well of sorrows. So if you are sorrowful then FEEL it and experience it because that is what you are here to do. Then maybe it will go away, maybe it won't. But it won't matter because you are feeling it. You are! Am I making sense? YOU ALREADY ARE!!!

So you have the freedom to feel, even if you are feeling miserable. You are free! FREEEEEEEEEE. You don't have to censor your thoughts because they are the thoughts of an unenlightened person. You are free to think, too! Everything is so free!

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Re: Freedom through freedom [Re: thatiAM]
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An excellant argument for being less aware?


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Freedom through freedom [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Just saying that what everyone is NOW is okay too. I'm not saying that people should just wallow in fear their entire lives. But if that's where they are now, that doesn't mean they can't be free right now while they are becoming more aware. Freedom is not 1,000 light years away, it is now. Increased awareness will come, but freedom will never come. Freedom already is.

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Re: Freedom through freedom [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
An excellant argument for being less aware?


Maybe? There is some powerful truth in the origional post.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Freedom through freedom [Re: Icelander]
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I see the truth in accepting that which is, and I see the posts value in that area. My comment, however, was a question to the poster about his intention in order to clarify my view of his meaning. I never said that I saw no truth. When a question mark ends a statement it indicates an effort to understand more fully.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Freedom through freedom [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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That's why I put ? in there also. :wink:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Freedom through freedom [Re: Icelander]
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O.K. You did have a "Maybe?" in there. I guess that qualifies as a question.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Freedom through freedom [Re: Icelander]
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It was his ideas that were of interest. I don't know if he uses or abuses them. I came to a similar conclusion as he did a few years back. Just being is enough. If you can accept everything as being equal then you can be content. If you cannot accept human limitations then you are bound to suffer. Then we get into the question of how far do you "want" (not should) and are able to go on your path. As don Juan said, all the paths meet in the end.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Freedom through freedom [Re: Icelander]
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Never said anyone should anything. Now, how far do I WANT to take it? As far as I can of course. I don't like half measures. I have found that really living "I don't like half measures" often requires a lot of nerve. If your going to be a bear...be a grizzly.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Freedom through freedom [Re: thatiAM]
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what makes me curious is who, exactly, you're arguing at? The post seems like more of a vent.


my reaction to your post is just "... Ok.. and?"

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Re: Freedom through freedom [Re: thatiAM]
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"I am all that I am and so be it..................I will not struggle with things I know I have no hope to 'get one over on'. I will give in to perfect talent and lesson the barriers of fear.."

This is freedom and I agree with much of what you say


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What it is, is what it is my Brother.
It is as it is, so suffer thru it.

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Re: Freedom through freedom [Re: Fucknuckle]
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Nobody should be afraid to feel fear.  This is insanity.  Fear comes and goes but God never comes and goes.  It is impossible for God to come and go.  God loves us too much to come and go.  God is always here, loving.  Even in fear.  We are allowed to feel fear, you know.  We can grow from it, or not.  Either one is fine, whatever you want to do really.

But denying that it is here is insane.  Feel what is here.  Of course if you choose to be insane then that is up to you :smile:  And that's its own big well of divinity and ever-freedom.

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Re: Freedom through freedom [Re: thatiAM]
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I kind of hate to ask this question, but it is a debate forum where one can be asked to provide some proofs of what they claim to know.

How do you know what God is, and thinks, and even if God exists?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (08/06/06 06:18 PM)

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Re: Freedom through freedom [Re: Icelander]
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I don't have to know, God isn't something anybody knows. God is self evident when you focus your love upon it. It's not some thing with a billion opinions about gay marriage and this and that. That all is ridiculous. God is very simple. Love that there is love. Love that love exists. Why bother trying to know something that never asked to be known?

It's just there to be there, to be loved and most of all to give love always and unconditionally. To every last one of us, even hitler.

Agree to learn. Agree to love. Then you can see that God doesn't have to be known.

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Re: Freedom through freedom [Re: thatiAM]
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God is self evident when you focus your love upon it.

IMO you're spouting non-sense. It's so typical of religious folk to determine reality for the rest of us. :tongue: :thumbdown: :mushroom2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Freedom through freedom [Re: Icelander]
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Ha, ha :smile:


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Freedom through freedom [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Ok, but did you actually do anything? Or are you just deciding that because it's easier?

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Re: Freedom through freedom [Re: thatiAM]
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I did something. I said...I quote "Ha ha", as something struck me as funny. Isn't laughter and humor permitted here?


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Freedom through freedom [Re: Icelander]
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Was talking to icelander.  :smile:  I don't mean to sound like a dick, sorry.  Maybe should have used the quote function!  Watch me use it from now on.  :ooo:

Icelander said:
God is self evident when you focus your love upon it.

IMO you're spouting non-sense. It's so typical of religious folk to determine reality for the rest of us. :tongue: :thumbdown: :mushroom2:


This is good!  So determine your own reality then.  This is the point.  Nothing is how I say it is, it is how it is.  Go find out for yourself.  You asked about God so I gave you a way to find out for yourself.  Fall into love.

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Re: Freedom through freedom [Re: thatiAM]
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can you fall into love by being alone?


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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