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so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it?
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the real question is how do i make it lightweight and CHEAP.



the specifications are this.

at least 1500 (1500 feet is roughly the height of the empire state building)

it has to be able to withstand ~150 F temps at its base, although the air will be cooler at the top.

It has to be lightweight, and affordable. (yes i realise that this will probably cost a few million, but estimated costs for a re-enforced concrete tower are at ~40 million)

I would like to see several smaller sections, that allow for removal and replacment without the de-construction of the entire tower.

Durablilty- the tower should last for 10 years before it is fully depreciated and needing to be replaced.

- It would be best to see the construction of the tower be primarily constructed with a membrane of black plastic/polymer that would allow absorption of solar radiation and transformation into heat.



my thoughts lay on an exo-skeliton made of lightweight metals, created in several interlocking sections covered in said black plastic/polymer material.


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

Edited by zippoz (07/31/06 07:19 PM)

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Re: so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it? [Re: ZippoZ]
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Why on earth does it need to be so big? 150 F isn't all that much heat...


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Re: so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it? [Re: supercollider]
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its a long story, but its necissary, i would prefer that its twice that tall, but id prefer not to build the largest structure on earth just yet.


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it? [Re: ZippoZ]
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Quote:
It would be best to see the construction of the tower be primarily constructed with a membrane of black plastic/polymer that would allow absorption of solar radiation and transformation into heat.


Isn't the point of a cooling tower to dissipate heat?

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Re: so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it? [Re: ChuangTzu]
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its not actually a cooling tower.... anyhow


back to how to build it.


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it? [Re: ChuangTzu]
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i worked in an oil refinery and we didn't have towers that big. we pushed about 1.7 million gallons of fluids a day to society. i can see how it's fun to think about the possibilities of a tower that big next to a giant cracker w/ some million gallon tanks along w/ some processing units and access to any chemical but come on now.


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Re: so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it? [Re: ZippoZ]
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What's this all about, anyway?

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Re: so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it? [Re: Boom]
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oi, i just need it to be built as a major component of another system. which im not going to go into.


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it? [Re: ZippoZ]
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cmon dude, why do you need a giant tower?? are you planning a world takeover using a 1500ft tall tower? do you plan on living 1500 ft up so you dont have to deal with any of the bullshit going on down here?? are you constructing a 150 story lsd factory?

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Re: so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it? [Re: KingOftheThing]
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none of the above :smile:

i dont know why im even being so secretive about this...... i just want to see the damn thing built. although im supprised that noone else knows what im trying to do.....


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it? [Re: ZippoZ]
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allright, here it is, what i want to build.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower

its a solar updraft tower. basically imagine a 3 mile diamater glass roof with said tower the middle although the tower to that scale would be over 3000 feet, and the tallest structre in the world)

heat collects under the glass roof, and as the roof gains height towards the center (6 feet at edge 60 in center) the air moves inward, getting upwards of 70 MPH and reaching over 150 degrees on a 70 some degree day.


anyhow, the tower is a very very expensive portion of this project i think that the costs were roughly ( i run to get my notes) 170 million (euros) with an energy production cost of .089 c/kwh which is workable.. but not that competitive. (based on 30 year depreciation and 6% interest)

http://www.sbp.de/en/html/home/solar_chimney_quicktime.html

http://www.sbp.de/en/html/contact/download/The_Solar_Updraft.pdf

anyhow, if its cheaper to build, its more profitable and within investment boundaries for venture capatalist.



chew on that eh?


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it? [Re: ZippoZ]
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Wow, is this thing really the most efficient way to get solar power? Moreso than those new South African photovoltaic cells? Or focusing a big array of mirrors onto a tank of water?

Glad to see this is about solar power though. A "North Korean" asking about building cooling towers was bound to attract the worng kind of attention. :P


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Re: so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it? [Re: supercollider]
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got a link on those PV cells?


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it? [Re: ZippoZ]
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5608142


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Re: so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it? [Re: ZippoZ]
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Maybe I'm not thinking outside the box enough but if I wanted to build a structure as tall as the Empire State Building the first thing I'd do is hire an engineer.

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Re: so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it? [Re: Ythan]
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:lol:

that reminds me of a question I read about, I think from a Microsoft job interview

Q: If I asked you to build an airport, what's the first thing you would do?

A: Hire someone who knew how to build an airport.

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Re: so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it? [Re: ZippoZ]
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Seriously though, maybe approach an engineering school about taking it on as a project or something... I don't think this is the kind of thing you want to tackle yourself without a lot of specialized knowledge.

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Re: so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it? [Re: Ythan]
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Zip is crazy. Every week its some new wild-eyed scheme to take over the world. People like him are important.

Some day, you'll see that he's cobbled together 3 school busses and some old motors, and is flying to Mars on a ship run by vegetable oil. Then you can say you knew him here.


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Re: so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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well i know that i will have to contact an engineer, i mean, if i could just build the tallet building in the world without help, i would, but i doubt that i could.

im just hoping to brainstorm ideas on different materials that could be used instead of concrete.

im meeting witih the SBDC (federal small business development center) on thursday, theyre usually pretty helpful and helped me get my other business off of the ground.

the other concept i have is making a semi circle green house on the edge of a southern facing cliff, and mounting a god portion, if not all of the tower to the cliff, eliminating a lot of the need for a "free standing" tower.


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: so, so lets say i need to build a cooling tower thats about 1500 feet tall.... HOW do i do it? [Re: ZippoZ]
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Utilize the environment to your advantage... I like it.

Show us pictures when you get it done :grin:


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