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 Re: Hyping Hydrogen: The Energy Scam  [Re: Seuss]
#1541458 - 05/12/03 10:44 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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If/when the demand for fuel cells ever becomes large enough, the prices will drop.
Please explain. 
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Re: Hyping Hydrogen: The Energy Scam [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
#1541572 - 05/12/03 11:45 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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High demand leads to an increase in development and production, which leads to competition and innovation, and the net result is a lower price for consumers.
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Re: Hyping Hydrogen: The Energy Scam [Re: pseudopod]
#1541609 - 05/12/03 11:59 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'll buy that I suppose, in the long run,, even though it isn't necessarily true 100% of the time (for example a natural monopoly). I just took a very topical examination, thinking primarily in the short run, in which increased demand leads to higher prices.
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Re: Hyping Hydrogen: The Energy Scam [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
#1541653 - 05/12/03 12:21 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because hydrogen isn't a fossil fuel, it is all but impossible for a natural monopoly to occur. Anyone can make it, that's part of what makes it so great. Many of the "hydrogen economy" people talk about a completely decentralized grid where customers buy and sell blocks of energy like any commodity. You can produce hydrogen and sell it if you wanted to. The fuel cells might be a little different, but lots of people sell engines. I'm not really an economist so this isn't really my area, though.
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Re: Hyping Hydrogen: The Energy Scam [Re: pseudopod]
#1541711 - 05/12/03 12:38 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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<-working on undergrad in econ.
I haven't read much on the "hydrogen economy". I will have to check this out. Thanks.
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Re: Hyping Hydrogen: The Energy Scam [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
#1541749 - 05/12/03 12:53 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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if you have time you should check out the links in my first post, especially the second one. It's an audio interview with an author on the subject.
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Re: Hyping Hydrogen: The Energy Scam [Re: pseudopod]
#1541753 - 05/12/03 12:55 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Will do, and 5 shrooms to you!
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Re: Hyping Hydrogen: The Energy Scam [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
#1541893 - 05/12/03 01:52 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Glad to help. The title of this thread is becoming kind of ironic, where's the anti-H crowd?
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Re: Hyping Hydrogen: The Energy Scam [Re: pseudopod]
#1542408 - 05/12/03 05:07 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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BOO! Down with Hydrogen!
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 Re: Hyping Hydrogen: The Energy Scam [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1543266 - 05/12/03 09:43 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Man, it was Big Hydrogen Money that suppressed the hemp combustion engine, which got over 50 miles per cola. Those bastards! Bush and Cheney were in on it too, because they wanted to keep all the buds for themselves! 
PS: BH, is that conspiratorial enough for you? 
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Re: Hyping Hydrogen: The Energy Scam [Re: Papaver]
#1544027 - 05/13/03 01:12 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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They power their tornado machines with hydrogen....DEPLETED HYDROGEN!
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Re: Hyping Hydrogen: The Energy Scam [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1544095 - 05/13/03 01:37 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Depleted Hydrogen gave my mom SARS -- she was also a Kurd by the way...
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Re: Hyping Hydrogen: The Energy Scam [Re: Papaver]
#1546367 - 05/13/03 07:48 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kurds and whey? That spider worked for the CIA! They wanted her tuffet!
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Re: Hyping Hydrogen: The Energy Scam [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1546461 - 05/13/03 08:24 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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LoLz! I already had her tuffet! It's damned fine! 
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Re: Hyping Hydrogen: The Energy Scam [Re: Papaver]
#1546798 - 05/13/03 10:29 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I sure am glad you guys are here to keep me straight. whew!
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Re: Hyping Hydrogen: The Energy Scam [Re: pseudopod]
#1548401 - 05/14/03 02:29 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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LoLz! BH and I are working on a traveling vaudeville act. In a few months we should be ready to take it on the road! 
Hey BH, who's on first? 
PS: I'm in favor of hydrogen fuels cells. I think it is a technology that needs to be developed along with other alternative fuel sources. It is only through research, and attempts to bring these technologies into production for the market, that we will advance as a civilization.
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Re: Hyping Hydrogen: The Energy Scam [Re: Papaver]
#1548801 - 05/14/03 04:41 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Think about how much energy we could squeeze from a few Baby Hitler clones. I have seen the future, and it is good... verrrry goood.
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Re: Hyping Hydrogen: The Energy Scam [Re: pseudopod]
#1548955 - 05/14/03 06:02 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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We actually use him to power the server. That's why we call him "Copper Top" in the Mod Forum...
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