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InvisibleTheHateCamel
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    #1351838 - 03/05/03 08:09 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Hydrogen Fule Cells. We need AIR! [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #1352298 - 03/05/03 11:52 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Yes we should be :mad: 


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Re: Hydrogen Fule Cells. We need AIR! [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #1352318 - 03/05/03 12:07 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

its not going to happen for a long time because bush is a moron. He says he'll give some funding, but its too little, and over too long of a period. He just want to make himself as much money as he can while hes president while screwing over the earth while he's at it. Also it's spelled "fuel"


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Re: Hydrogen Fule Cells. We need AIR! [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #1352537 - 03/05/03 01:48 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Technically, every home could be producing its own fuel.. Have a large solar panel on the roof, drawing current from the sun.. hooked up to a machine which is hooked into the water system, always keeping the machine full.. seperating the hydrogen and oxygen, filling up your own personal gas pump :wink:.. Hell, if the system was efficent enough, the gas produced could be used for the stove, to drive the fridge and to heat the home... power the lawn mower, dirtbike, etc...

The technology isn't hidden.. why don't you set it up in your home?.. Be bold. Be first to take the jump.  :smile:


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Re: Hydrogen Fule Cells. We need AIR! [Re: Jared]
    #1352791 - 03/05/03 03:26 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Hydrogen Fule Cells. We need AIR! [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #1357253 - 03/08/03 04:42 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

If i'm not mistaken the only bi-product of a hydrogen fuel cell motor is water vapor. Which is also bad for the ozone. I think we should support hemp fuel. They could design a really cheap engine too. Get bush out of office first and fuck the oil!  :grin:


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Re: Hydrogen Fule Cells. We need AIR! [Re: Droz]
    #1357528 - 03/08/03 07:18 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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If i'm not mistaken the only bi-product of a hydrogen fuel cell motor is water vapor. Which is also bad for the ozone.



You're not mistaken about the bi-product of hydrogen combustion being water vapor. However, water vapor is not bad for the ozone and would still be produced with the combustion of hemp fuel, which also produces carbon dioxide (which is the same with fossil fuels) .


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Re: Hydrogen Fule Cells. We need AIR! [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #1357549 - 03/08/03 07:26 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

What is the source of energy to produce the hydrogen?

Currently, solar cells are not efficient enough to provide enough energy for all of our needs/uses, so most hydrogen would have to be produced from hydroelectricity, nuclear fission, or fossil fuels. The most realistic prospect is the development of nuclear fusion reactors (running off of fuel produced from water) to produce electricity which then can be used to extract hydrogen from water.


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Edited by Evolving (03/08/03 07:57 AM)


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Re: Hydrogen Fule Cells. We need AIR! [Re: Droz]
    #1357585 - 03/08/03 07:37 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Hydrogen Fule Cells. We need AIR! [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #1357589 - 03/08/03 07:38 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Click on the animated diagram link, second one down.


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Re: Hydrogen Fule Cells. We need AIR! [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #1357734 - 03/08/03 08:36 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

If i'm not mistaken i must be mistaken. I remember i read a little about fuel cells and i thought i read somewhere that said water vapor is not as bad as burning fossil fuels, but... still effects the ozone. But then again it could all be a figment of my imagination.  :confused:


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Re: Hydrogen Fule Cells. We need AIR! [Re: Droz]
    #1357762 - 03/08/03 08:49 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I did a little research and water vapor is classified as a green house gas, and too much green house gases is well, bad for the ozone layer. So if everyone had a hydrogen fuel cell car it will still be effecting the ozone layer.

Check out. http://peer.tamu.edu/curriculum_modules/ecosystems/Hazards/global_warming.htm


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Re: Hydrogen Fule Cells. We need AIR! [Re: Droz]
    #1357996 - 03/08/03 11:14 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Well in that case, lets cover up the oceans lakes and rivers and stop breathing. Can we outlaw rain?


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Re: Hydrogen Fule Cells. We need AIR! [Re: Evolving]
    #1358031 - 03/08/03 11:34 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

That's not what i'm saying.  :tongue: Just trying to point out that it still hits the ozone. That's it. 


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Re: Hydrogen Fule Cells. We need AIR! [Re: Droz]
    #1358066 - 03/08/03 11:50 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

No, water vapor doesn't deplete the ozone layer, I believe your argument should be that it's a green house gas.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.


Edited by Evolving (03/08/03 11:51 AM)


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Re: Hydrogen Fule Cells. We need AIR! [Re: Evolving]
    #1358117 - 03/08/03 12:27 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Hydrogen Fule Cells. We need AIR! [Re: Evolving]
    #1358993 - 03/08/03 08:19 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Biomass produces no net CO2. It only releases as much CO2 as it removed from the atmosphere. CO2 release from fossil fuels is 100% net increase.

So no, Hemp fuel doesn't contribute to global warming.

Water vapor is a greenhouse gas that can also act to decrease global warming in some cases. Also water sequestration is about ten billion times greater than CO2 sequestration.

sequestration = removal from the atmosphere and storage in nonatmospheric form.


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Re: Hydrogen Fule Cells. We need AIR! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1359359 - 03/09/03 02:09 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Water Vapor

"Finally, because water vapor is an important greenhouse gas, the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere is extremely relevant to the global warming problem."



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Re: Hydrogen Fule Cells. We need AIR! [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #1359364 - 03/09/03 02:16 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Just some more info on hydrogen.

http://www.acnatsci.org/research/kye/KYE9.00.html#s2

"Nevertheless, safety issues remain a problem. An extremely light, odorless gas, hydrogen is more prone to leaking and burning than many other fuels. Hydrogen flames are invisible, posing special problems, and the gas itself can sometimes weaken metals with which it comes in contact.

While hydrogen has tremendous potential to provide clean, efficient energy, these safety factors continue to severely limit the use of hydrogen in everyday, consumer settings. Researchers are looking at practices such as added "odorants" (like now used with propane and natural gas) to make hydrogen easier to detect. Fiber wrapped, composite tanks for storage of hydrogen have been demonstrated to survive extreme conditions without releasing the gas. A range of electronic detectors are available that warn of leaks."

I've read someplace too that when a hydrogen tank is ruptured it will not explode.  :confused:


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Re: Hydrogen Fule Cells. We need AIR! [Re: Droz]
    #1359371 - 03/09/03 02:24 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Hydrogen is a very dangerous gas. In air, as little as 5% all the way up to 95% hydrogen can explode. When it burns, the flame is invisible to the eye. Even in a dark room you cannot see it. The molecule is very small and difficult to contain. It will leak through almost anything over time. There are chemicals which act as hydrogen sponges which helps make storage/usage safe.

I think that fuel cells using methane or some other fuel than hydrogen will probably be more likely to happen. They are clean, like hydrogen, but easier and safer.


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