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Amanita muscaria var. formosa
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I have been taking alot of hikes this summer, and on my last two I have come across what I am almost certain to be Amanita muscaria var. formosa. Last year I looked into them a bit and thought I had found some but I wasn't as positive as I am now. I live in the Northwest corner of CT, and found all of these in the realative area:

These two were found on 6.30.06, they were both found in different spots of the mountain however.



These three were found on 7.5.06




This is all I took from that day, I left smaller ones I found so as to not drain the spot, they were all found not right next to eachother however, but realatively spread out:


Am I right in saying these are Amanita muscaria var. formosa?


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: PlasticFantastic]
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They look like it, except for the first one. Was it found in the same spot as the others?

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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: xmush]
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That first one was found on the same hike as the second one, the picture is kind of bad because of the glare but I took all of these with my phone. I'm pretty sure it is one because of the ring on the stem, bulbous base and there were no warts because it seems to be an older specimen and they would have washed away. Also when I looked up images of mature specimens after a while they start to fold up like that. But there is still room for debating. Thanks for the input.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: PlasticFantastic]
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They are most likely all amanitas, but like xmush said I don't think the first one is A. muscaria (var. formosa) because it seems to have quite a lanky stem. It lacks the bulbous base as well as the veil remnants all along the stem. All that it seems to have is one veil which is hanging there like a skirt (as with cubensis shrooms).

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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: iamyour_messiah]
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Is it in any way possible to get these to spore and create a new generation to make sure that they are indeed Amanita muscaria var. formosa? If I placed the caps down in some nice grass or under the same habitat I found them in would anything happen or do you think the spores have already dropped?


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: PlasticFantastic]
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Well, you have to consider that all of the mushrooms you find in a certain place are likely the fruiting bodies of the same large fungus underground. So that fungus will send up more fruiting bodies regardless of if you lay spores down. Amanitas form an obligatory symbiotic relationship with certain trees. For this reason they are incredibly difficult to grow.

You say you found that top mushie on the same hike, but was it in the same spot? I typically will find several different species of amanitas in a given area, I think many have similar growth requirements. I agree with laymour about the base not looking like a muscaria. And it has a pretty skinny stem.

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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: xmush]
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It was found in a different area so I bet you're right, the ones from the second hike yesterday are pretty much definately Amanita muscaria var. formosa no? And if I plan to try any of these I should just look for more not attempt to grow any?


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: PlasticFantastic]
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Yep, look for more. You're not going to be able to grow them. Also, do a ton of research on the preparation, dosage, and effects of this mushroom. Most people who have tried them never try them more than once. Some people enjoy it. Someone posted some awesome videos from a British documentary showing the effects of A. muscaria. I think they were at youtube. Be careful!

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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: xmush]
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The ones from the pictures though, could they be something harmful?


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: PlasticFantastic]
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Amanita flavaconia is a poisonous lookalike. To be honest none of yours look like A. muscaria. to me. It's also early in the season for them. Extreme caution is advised.

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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: shroomydan]
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Interesting. Dan I thought they were muscaria because they seem to have the concentric veil remnants on the base. I humbly apologize if I erred.

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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: xmush]
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You might be right Xmush, but Amanitas are tricky. I can't say why exactly they don't look like A. muscaria, but something about them seems off.

An ID error in the genus Amanita could equal death, so I go with my gut feelings and choose to err on the side of caution. No need to apologize xmush.

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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: shroomydan]
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Im up here in Maine and the Amanita Muscaria Var Formosa are popping up like crazy we had a lot of rain in the spring that is why they are coming up early. The pictures look right, Im a bit concerned over the brown one it looks like a panthar, and must be treated with caution as it is said they are 8x more potent. Be sure to dry these out completly in the sun.

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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: downlowfunk]
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OK downlowfunk says they are fine just dry them out.

Shroomydan says they don't look right to me. They are too small and the veil remnants are too yellow. I also see at least two species in the photos.

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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: shroomydan]
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I'm with Dan, not just because he knows a lot, but he makes a good case. There is universal agreement that you have a mixed collection. And those are awfully yellow stems for muscarias. I'd be safe and toss them.

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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: shroomydan]
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shroomydan said:
OK downlowfunk says they are fine just dry them out.

Shroomydan says they don't look right to me. They are too small and the veil remnants are too yellow. I also see at least two species in the photos.


I'm with Dan, I don't mess around with Amanitas. I see more than one species as well.

the second picture looks like it might be A. franchetii
http://www.mykoweb.com/CAF/photos/Amanita_franchetii(mgw-01).jpg

The first picture I cannot see enough of the cap to make a guess.

The third photo looks like it could be A. ceciliae, A. pachycolea, A. pantherina, or A. rubescens..... Lot of possibilities. I do not think photo 2 or 3 are A. muscaria var. formosa.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: CureCat]
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xmush said:
I'm with Dan


CureCat said:
I'm with Dan


damn Dan, you sure are popular!  :biggrin:
Who are you going to choose?? HMMmmm?!  Me or Xmush?

j/k j/k j/k!!!  I know I can't compete with Xmush. :wink:


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: CureCat]
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What about the 4th and 5th pictures? They have the bright yellow cap with warts. I white stem with the collar, the veil reminants by the base, they both had bulbous bases aswell. Both were also found in the same area.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: PlasticFantastic]
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They may very well be A. muscaria var. formosa, but I will not be the one to make a positive ID. Misidentification of Amanitas can be deadly, as stated above. I think the general opinion is that you should avoid eating Amanitas, if not for the regularly reported nausea and sweating, then for saving yourself from the consequence of misidentification.

I discourage you from indulging in these mushrooms, as I myself, would not.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: CureCat]
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Well yes, don't worry I already got rid of them all. It just seemed like some of them that I found were A. muscaria var. formosa, I just thought it interesting that I actually found some.


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