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Amanita muscaria var. formosa
    #5826887 - 07/06/06 08:05 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I have been taking alot of hikes this summer, and on my last two I have come across what I am almost certain to be Amanita muscaria var. formosa. Last year I looked into them a bit and thought I had found some but I wasn't as positive as I am now. I live in the Northwest corner of CT, and found all of these in the realative area:

These two were found on 6.30.06, they were both found in different spots of the mountain however.



These three were found on 7.5.06




This is all I took from that day, I left smaller ones I found so as to not drain the spot, they were all found not right next to eachother however, but realatively spread out:


Am I right in saying these are Amanita muscaria var. formosa?


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #5826894 - 07/06/06 08:09 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

They look like it, except for the first one. Was it found in the same spot as the others?


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: xmush]
    #5826904 - 07/06/06 08:16 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That first one was found on the same hike as the second one, the picture is kind of bad because of the glare but I took all of these with my phone. I'm pretty sure it is one because of the ring on the stem, bulbous base and there were no warts because it seems to be an older specimen and they would have washed away. Also when I looked up images of mature specimens after a while they start to fold up like that. But there is still room for debating. Thanks for the input.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #5826911 - 07/06/06 08:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

They are most likely all amanitas, but like xmush said I don't think the first one is A. muscaria (var. formosa) because it seems to have quite a lanky stem. It lacks the bulbous base as well as the veil remnants all along the stem. All that it seems to have is one veil which is hanging there like a skirt (as with cubensis shrooms).


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5826921 - 07/06/06 08:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Is it in any way possible to get these to spore and create a new generation to make sure that they are indeed Amanita muscaria var. formosa? If I placed the caps down in some nice grass or under the same habitat I found them in would anything happen or do you think the spores have already dropped?


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #5826926 - 07/06/06 08:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well, you have to consider that all of the mushrooms you find in a certain place are likely the fruiting bodies of the same large fungus underground. So that fungus will send up more fruiting bodies regardless of if you lay spores down. Amanitas form an obligatory symbiotic relationship with certain trees. For this reason they are incredibly difficult to grow.

You say you found that top mushie on the same hike, but was it in the same spot? I typically will find several different species of amanitas in a given area, I think many have similar growth requirements. I agree with laymour about the base not looking like a muscaria. And it has a pretty skinny stem.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: xmush]
    #5826931 - 07/06/06 08:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It was found in a different area so I bet you're right, the ones from the second hike yesterday are pretty much definately Amanita muscaria var. formosa no? And if I plan to try any of these I should just look for more not attempt to grow any?


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #5826966 - 07/06/06 09:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yep, look for more. You're not going to be able to grow them. Also, do a ton of research on the preparation, dosage, and effects of this mushroom. Most people who have tried them never try them more than once. Some people enjoy it. Someone posted some awesome videos from a British documentary showing the effects of A. muscaria. I think they were at youtube. Be careful!


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: xmush]
    #5826981 - 07/06/06 09:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The ones from the pictures though, could they be something harmful?


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #5827192 - 07/06/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Amanita flavaconia is a poisonous lookalike. To be honest none of yours look like A. muscaria. to me. It's also early in the season for them. Extreme caution is advised.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: shroomydan]
    #5827265 - 07/06/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting. Dan I thought they were muscaria because they seem to have the concentric veil remnants on the base. I humbly apologize if I erred.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: xmush]
    #5828081 - 07/06/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You might be right Xmush, but Amanitas are tricky. I can't say why exactly they don't look like A. muscaria, but something about them seems off.

An ID error in the genus Amanita could equal death, so I go with my gut feelings and choose to err on the side of caution. No need to apologize xmush.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: shroomydan]
    #5828136 - 07/06/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Im up here in Maine and the Amanita Muscaria Var Formosa are popping up like crazy we had a lot of rain in the spring that is why they are coming up early. The pictures look right, Im a bit concerned over the brown one it looks like a panthar, and must be treated with caution as it is said they are 8x more potent. Be sure to dry these out completly in the sun.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: downlowfunk]
    #5828145 - 07/06/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

OK downlowfunk says they are fine just dry them out.

Shroomydan says they don't look right to me. They are too small and the veil remnants are too yellow. I also see at least two species in the photos.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: shroomydan]
    #5828236 - 07/06/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm with Dan, not just because he knows a lot, but he makes a good case. There is universal agreement that you have a mixed collection. And those are awfully yellow stems for muscarias. I'd be safe and toss them.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: shroomydan]
    #5828251 - 07/06/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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OK downlowfunk says they are fine just dry them out.

Shroomydan says they don't look right to me. They are too small and the veil remnants are too yellow. I also see at least two species in the photos.




I'm with Dan, I don't mess around with Amanitas. I see more than one species as well.

the second picture looks like it might be A. franchetii
http://www.mykoweb.com/CAF/photos/Amanita_franchetii(mgw-01).jpg

The first picture I cannot see enough of the cap to make a guess.

The third photo looks like it could be A. ceciliae, A. pachycolea, A. pantherina, or A. rubescens..... Lot of possibilities. I do not think photo 2 or 3 are A. muscaria var. formosa.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: CureCat]
    #5828291 - 07/06/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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xmush said:
I'm with Dan




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CureCat said:
I'm with Dan




damn Dan, you sure are popular!  :biggrin:
Who are you going to choose?? HMMmmm?!  Me or Xmush?

j/k j/k j/k!!!  I know I can't compete with Xmush. :wink:


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: CureCat]
    #5830637 - 07/07/06 06:01 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What about the 4th and 5th pictures? They have the bright yellow cap with warts. I white stem with the collar, the veil reminants by the base, they both had bulbous bases aswell. Both were also found in the same area.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #5830724 - 07/07/06 07:12 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

They may very well be A. muscaria var. formosa, but I will not be the one to make a positive ID. Misidentification of Amanitas can be deadly, as stated above. I think the general opinion is that you should avoid eating Amanitas, if not for the regularly reported nausea and sweating, then for saving yourself from the consequence of misidentification.

I discourage you from indulging in these mushrooms, as I myself, would not.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: CureCat]
    #5831023 - 07/07/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well yes, don't worry I already got rid of them all. It just seemed like some of them that I found were A. muscaria var. formosa, I just thought it interesting that I actually found some.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #5831119 - 07/07/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Keep posting pics if you find them. I think this was a good discussion. Pay attention to the stem and base of the mushroom next time you show us pics. Carefully dig out the base so you can appreciate and remnants of the universal veil.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #5832996 - 07/07/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I just moved east last August (from northern California, on the Redwood Coast). I found some mushrooms last October (near lake Ontario) very similar to yours, but I couldn't convince myself that they were var. formosa. Some of yours look damn close to formosa, but others... borderline or definately not formosa. I've picked hundreds of Amanita Muscaria var. formosa out West, but ... they're different, here in the East.

You did the right thing tossing them out, even though it's not easy to do. One thing I've read, heard, and observed, is that the Amanita Muscaria Formosa will have some pretty distinctive concentric rings around the base (above the egg-bulb), which distinguish it from some of the other eastern amanita lookalikes.

Anyway, keep looking, and I appreciate you reporting the finds (I'm located in the Northeast part of North America.)

And ... be sure to do lots of research on amanita before you eat them, and be positive on your ID. I personally, have eaten them about 25 times, and I think Amanita Muscaria is probably the best "drug" in the world, but that's just my opinion. It's definately not as dependable as some of the other magic plants/fungus out there.

Good Luck!


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: BobHumboldt]
    #5833164 - 07/07/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I find some similar to your last pic about once a year at my mothers house. I have consumed them once didn't care for the buzz to much. I'm not sure if yours in the pictures are right or not, but to my amazement I just seen two growing in her yard. Couldn't pick em she was around :frown: . I'll post em soon.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: Montanahunter420]
    #5833315 - 07/07/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yea man i found a.muscaria.formosa round me in DC twice now but the second time they were infested with grubs
but yea thos pics you got up there im with dan (not trying to suck his left nut or anything) but they doo look kinda odd
im not too experienced with hunting but i do know ive found some a.m.formosas and injested them once (nothing happend i dind't eat enough at once) and yours lookkinda iffy. good call with tossing them.
go find more!!!
but yea their color is a little awk as well. probably a look-a-like
but yea of course, nothing else anyone probably hasn't said

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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: SenselessRebel]
    #5835335 - 07/08/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for all the input, I definately will keep my eye out for them on my hikes and will post more pictures as soon as I get some.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #8963312 - 09/21/08 12:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

A. flavaconia for sure!!!!!!!! Dont eat!!!!!!:thumbdown:


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #8963318 - 09/21/08 12:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

OOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPSSSSSSS this is an old ass question.......still hope you did not eat those.


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Re: Amanita muscaria var. formosa [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #8963340 - 09/21/08 12:37 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

:rofl:


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