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origins of dogma
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When people say there is no way to prove it, then this gives religion great leverage, they come up with unproven concepts like the soul to influence people,

I don't understand when people say well it exists as an idea, an idea in which it had great impact on peoples lives throughout history, so in some form or another it exists,

because an idea existed in my mind, and this concept had a great impact on peoples lives, does this make it anymore real, No, this is freelance thinking at its best, or I might say at its worst,

that the idea is so widely accepted and had so much of an influence, that the influence it gave is its own testimony of it being real or valid, I'd say the idea is very real, but what the idea actually conveys is the question, is the meaning behind the idea real?,

some people seem to think that the idea in itself is all that really matters, in essence when your trying to motivate people "that is all that really matters", not the substance behind the idea, this kinda gives me a clue behind religion in general,

that as long as ideas are given out to help influence masses of people, the influence is all that matters not the truth, this is probably how alot dogma was born, governments needed ways in controlling masses amount of people, to give them hope, to give them strength, to help influence them to do good, to be productive, what better tool than "blind faith".

When the myth has been handed down for centuries, you don't even need props. to conveys its validity, you can say testimony is its witness, to me religion is only good for people believing in it whole heartedly,

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Re: origins of dogma [Re: capliberty]
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sometimes a vision seems too much to bear
the visionary comes back with mere fragments
he is jealous of his gift (which is mostly lost)
he claims to be sparing his friends and relative the need to see the vision themselves
(it is soo painful, you risk losing your very self)
he likes to hear himself talk.

vwolla
food of the dogs


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Re: origins of dogma [Re: redgreenvines]
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Quote:
sometimes a vision seems too much to bear
the visionary comes back with mere fragments
he is jealous of his gift (which is mostly lost)
he claims to be sparing his friends and relative the need to see the vision themselves
(it is soo painful, you risk losing your very self)
he likes to hear himself talk.

vwolla
food of the dogs


good point, haven't you noticed the four books of the new testament of the bible, give you the same fragmented story in all four books, and these were suppose to be four different witnesses,

its sounds to me like one witness, who outsourced to four different people, no way these were four different authors with different outlooks,

I guess if one story was true though, the other three wouldn't matter, but why try to reinforce that same story, is it because this is all they had on the story of Jesus, its kind of strange how the bible was constructed

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Re: origins of dogma [Re: capliberty]
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I send this down the line one more time, curious to why no one cares to speak on this topic

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Re: origins of dogma [Re: capliberty]
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i think nobody is interested becuz
its yesterday's news

who wants yesterdays papers...

nobody wants to read a whole lotta gobblie goo

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Re: origins of dogma [Re: Schwammel]
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"who wants yesterdays papers..."

My roommate's budgie finds use for them.

Not to imply that Schwammel's right and this thread is totally worthless. I've just refrained from comment thus far because... um.

Not entirely sure why I haven't felt obliged to add my two cents yet. I think the origin of dogma is a combination of the abuse of authority on behalf of the dogmator and a willingness to be led on behalf of the dogmatee. The dogmator has got to not care about the spiritual growth of the individuals seeking their council in order to not be bothered explaining things to them so that they might reach their own conclusions. The dogmatee has got to blithely obey rather than think, probably because they're lazy and it's easier not to ask questions.

I like what redgreenvines had to say on the topic, and am adding this excessively repetative and painfully self-evident post only because you seemed to want more input on the topic.


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Re: origins of dogma [Re: Panoramix]
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Be afraid, be very afraid.


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