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CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life
    #4520999 - 08/11/05 01:48 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Creationism - 64%

Evolution - 24%

Intelligent Design - 12%


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Swami]
    #4521014 - 08/11/05 01:57 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Hopefully, they'll come to their senses one day. I must admit, I didn't know how to install a plastic trash can liner so it wouldn't fall down inside when someone threw away garbage for most of my life.

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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #4521032 - 08/11/05 02:05 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

It's ok, the garbage bag serves to be "garbage" as well....    :wink:


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Swami]
    #4521040 - 08/11/05 02:10 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

disturbing...

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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Swami]
    #4521137 - 08/11/05 02:57 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I actually like the idea of intelligent design. I have never been naive enough to believe everything sprang into being on its own. Unfortunately, "intelligent design" has become a new code phrase that religious conservatives are wielding to weasel their way into realms appropriate to science and that is wrong.


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Swami]
    #4521146 - 08/11/05 03:02 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

people suck :P


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Swami]
    #4521344 - 08/11/05 07:31 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Swami said:
Creationism - 64%

Evolution - 24%

Intelligent Design - 12%




P. T. Barnum sez......  There's one born every minute. :tongue:


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Icelander]
    #4521350 - 08/11/05 07:37 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

lol...where was this poll taken, at a mental facility?


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: psyka]
    #4521353 - 08/11/05 07:40 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, otherwise known as "the world".....  :tongue:


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: psyka]
    #4521354 - 08/11/05 07:41 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)






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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: psyka]
    #4521358 - 08/11/05 07:44 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

It's called the USA. It's mostly for the criminally insane. :grin:


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Icelander]
    #4521360 - 08/11/05 07:47 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Whats the difference between Creationism and Intelligent Design?


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Swami]
    #4521361 - 08/11/05 07:48 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

people are stupid

i could imagine individual cases where an intelligent person could believe in creationism or intelligent design

but to have the population look like that... people are just plain dumb


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: psyka]
    #4521367 - 08/11/05 07:54 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Intelligent Design implies a creator, thus is Creationism...

12% are Bushtarded zombies


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: psyka]
    #4521394 - 08/11/05 08:19 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Whats the difference between Creationism and Intelligent Design?




With Creationism they mean the literal belief in the biblical account of creation as it appears in the Book of Genesis. They are more or less the same. Same bullshit...

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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Swami]
    #4521397 - 08/11/05 08:21 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I'm surprised more people didn't vote for intelligent design. Do creationists think God is dumb or something?


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Unagipie]
    #4521481 - 08/11/05 09:41 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Who cares? How speciation occurs is hardly relevant to the average person. Now if this poll was for graduating biologists then it would be disturbing.


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: looner2]
    #4521572 - 08/11/05 10:45 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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looner2 said:
Now if this poll was for graduating biologists then it would be disturbing.




Here you go:



"In another survey Fuerst administered a questionnaire to 2,387 students in ten different science courses at Ohio State University, Columbus, Ohio. He concluded that Biology students:
?showed a surprisingly low level of acceptance for the theory of evolution, and by an 80 % to 20 % rate favoured the concept of equal time for competing theories of origins.?
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Whole article: http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4178.asp

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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Annom]
    #4521655 - 08/11/05 11:17 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Ouch!


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Icelander]
    #4521657 - 08/11/05 11:18 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

P. T. Barnum sez...... There's one born every minute.

Sorry to always be the nitpicker, but apparently not.


(Phrase Origins)

Those of P. T. Barnum's acquaintances who mentioned the
subject were unanimous in insisting that he never said this. The
closest thing to it that can be found in Barnum's writings is:
"I said that the people like to be humbugged when, as in my case,
there is no humbuggery except that which consists in throwing up
sky-rockets and issuing flaming bills and advertisements to attract
public attention to shows which all acknowledge are always clean,
moral, instructive, elevating, and give back to their patrons in
every case several times their money's worth" (the Bridgeport Standard, 2 Oct. 1885).

Captain Alexander Williams, a New York City police inspector
at the time, attributed "There's a sucker born every minute, but
none of them ever die" to Joseph Bessimer, a notorious confidence
trickster of the early 1880s known to the police as "Paper Collar
Joe". See _P. T. Barnum: the Legend and the Man_, by A. H. Saxon
(Columbia University Press, 1989).


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Swami]
    #4522384 - 08/11/05 02:21 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Damn,  Well then I sez "theres one born every minute". :wink:


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Swami]
    #4522385 - 08/11/05 02:22 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for your help in stopping the spread of dangerous misinformation!


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Swami]
    #4522448 - 08/11/05 02:36 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Swami said:
Creationism - 64%

Evolution - 24%

Intelligent Design - 12%




and what is the difference between ID and Creationism?
I mean I'm the first one to say that there is a difference, but I wonder what did they specify as the difference?


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4522918 - 08/11/05 04:13 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I find the poll results very disturbing not because it's irrational or stupid to believe in a "creator" (though I don't necessarily) but because likely most of those that voted for that believe in it in the Christian sense.

Now first of all, Christianity has to do with CHRIST, and the archetypal Christ figure is a stellar absolutely great way to model your life after.... HOWEVER maybe only 1% of "Christians" seem to realize that that is what their religion is about. The rest are just dogmatic political tools that don't really particularly believe anything and think salvation comes in the form of simply saying one prayer.

You don't buy salvation like that. Not even dropping tons of acid will necessarily do it for you, it has to be a constant life goal to progress to spiritual ripeness... to make yourself better... and I firmly believe that road has to largely be walked alone, that dogmas get in the way. This is why I like Taoism and Buddhism, they are guides to living but they don't tell you to straight up believe literally, they encourage thought THROUGH doubt leading to spirituality...... western society encourages blind obediance to authority figures that claim to be enlightened.

I'm not sure whether or not the big bang actually happened...... we are in "existence" right now, and therefore in our search to discover "nonexistence" (via fascination with the beginning/end) we are going to just keep looking smaller and smaller and smaller..... theoretically a huge explosion happened but to quantify it, to bear witness to it, bears that you do not exist in any feasible form as to be an eternal and omniscient/omnipresent being. If so, why is there only one being that has that luxury of consciously seeing and being everything?

Time pretty much makes the beginning/end of everything impossible for us humans to understand, so I think we should better worry ourselves with feeling in tune with the planet Earth and its fellow inhabitants, and find "God" THAT WAY, instead of trying to personify it in baffling terms that are better expressed through simple duality. (but i do not at all doubt evolution, etc, and i am all for scientific advances and discoveries, i just think people may misinterpret "the beginning" since time is entirely relative in the first place)

If that makes any sense. I'm kind of taking an agnostic approach to what little I know of Taoism, Buddhism, and Tibettan Buddhism and it's use of psychedelic drugs and lucid dreaming and such.

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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: leery11]
    #4522948 - 08/11/05 04:20 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

God is inside a flower.


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Swami]
    #4523093 - 08/11/05 05:04 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You ever noticed that believers in Creationism look kinda...... unevolved?

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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Adamist]
    #4523104 - 08/11/05 05:07 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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You ever noticed that believers in Creationism look kinda...... unevolved?

:lol:




No, I haven't noticed that. Funny joke!


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: looner2]
    #4523107 - 08/11/05 05:07 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Your friend in your sig looks like he may believe in Creationism..


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Swami]
    #4523219 - 08/11/05 05:36 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

That doesn't really surprise me, and I don't think it matters. All that matters is the people who actually matter (leading intelligent scientists) know what to think. I wouldn't expect the normal person, or even the normal college student to think for himself.


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Ravus]
    #4523234 - 08/11/05 05:39 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

In schools "facts" are taught as the unshakable truth. That is a form of dogma.

Neither of these options come from thinking for yourself. One dogma is taught in schools, the other one is taught in churches

Those that didn't vote are the ones that think for themselfs, because thinking for yourself detaches you from served "truths", and leaves you with an empty (but open) mind


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4523403 - 08/11/05 06:23 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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In schools "facts" are taught as the unshakable truth. That is a form of dogma.




How do you expect them to do it? Everything we know is just according to our current knowledge, so do we want the students to not know whether anything is true or not? This is science, not philosophy.

It's up to us to teach them, and then up to them to think deeper about the ideas later. We shouldn't teach them pseudoscience and myths simply because we need any alternative to logical scientific theories.

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Neither of these options come from thinking for yourself.




Evolution is taught, that is true, but mostly everything is taught. It took one genius mind (or a few) to actually come to the conclusion of evolution by thinking about it, and the whole point of the written word is to pass on information. We don't stop students from exploring evolution more, we just teach them the best scientific theories of the time.

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One dogma is taught in schools, the other one is taught in churches




One has evidence, the other doesn't. One is real biological theory held to be truth by the vast majority of modern-day leading biologists, the other is an old assumption made by primitive humans who didn't even know the earth was round. I know which one I'd rather look into as the truth.

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Those that didn't vote are the ones that think for themselfs, because thinking for yourself detaches you from served "truths", and leaves you with an empty (but open) mind




Why not leave our minds open to every single piece of information then? We can never know anything absolutely, so why not just throw our hands up in the air and abandon all knowledge in favor of "open-mindedness"?

The atomic theory wasn't created by an empty mind, it was created by a mind that used knowledge and sought the answers from current information. The same applies to evolution.


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Ravus]
    #4523507 - 08/11/05 06:47 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

In schools "facts" are taught as the unshakable truth. That is a form of dogma.




How do you expect them to do it? Everything we know is just according to our current knowledge, so do we want the students to not know whether anything is true or not? This is science, not philosophy.

It's up to us to teach them, and then up to them to think deeper about the ideas later. We shouldn't teach them pseudoscience and myths simply because we need any alternative to logical scientific theories.

Quote:

Neither of these options come from thinking for yourself.




Evolution is taught, that is true, but mostly everything is taught. It took one genius mind (or a few) to actually come to the conclusion of evolution by thinking about it, and the whole point of the written word is to pass on information. We don't stop students from exploring evolution more, we just teach them the best scientific theories of the time.

Quote:

One dogma is taught in schools, the other one is taught in churches




One has evidence, the other doesn't. One is real biological theory held to be truth by the vast majority of modern-day leading biologists, the other is an old assumption made by primitive humans who didn't even know the earth was round. I know which one I'd rather look into as the truth.

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Those that didn't vote are the ones that think for themselfs, because thinking for yourself detaches you from served "truths", and leaves you with an empty (but open) mind




Why not leave our minds open to every single piece of information then? We can never know anything absolutely, so why not just throw our hands up in the air and abandon all knowledge in favor of "open-mindedness"?

The atomic theory wasn't created by an empty mind, it was created by a mind that used knowledge and sought the answers from current information. The same applies to evolution.




you know very well that the chapter on evolution doesn't start like:

majority of modern scientists believe that...

its starts like: all life was created through evolution

I have nothing against teaching about all current scientific acomplishments, but I would prefer if students were taught to accept each of them with a grain of salt. Instead children are taught to accept whatever they hear in scientific magazines, or on TV, and specially in school.
The logic that is forming is: it must be true, we learned in school

People find tons of evidence of something, then they decide there is enough evidence and conclude it a make a theory. but that is not always the truth.

For example: Lets say a man was caught near a body of a dead woman, with a bloody knife in his hands, his past says he was in jail for murder before, and he had lots of fights with that woman, was heard by many people that he would like to kill her, some said that he even planed to do it this day that she died etc. etc.
Surely any man with common sense would say that he did it.
But all this does not really mean he did it, because nobody saw the act with their own eyes in front of them. It is not impossible that a huge amount of coincidences happened. Statistics and law of probability would say he did it. But do statistics and laws of probability say anything about reality?

Evidence can be interpreted in many ways, and unless you are there to see it, not you or anybody else will ever know if he killed her or not.

Same goes for evolution. Unless we find some unimaginable technology that will enable us to look into the past, we will never really know how life started.

speculation and theories about past are not testable, because you can only test them with same tools that made them: speculation and induction.

Since they are not testable, they are as credible as stories from bible or any other book

sure they are tons more PROBABLE than stories from religious books, but probability does not make anything more or less true.

I think our education system mistakes probability for truth


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Swami]
    #4523648 - 08/11/05 07:29 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I vote Evolution, and something or nothing else.


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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: RedNucleus]
    #4523816 - 08/11/05 08:12 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Religion should be taught in religious classes. Science should be taught in science classes.

This doesn't seem like a hard concept to understand. Intellegent design and creationism have no place in a biology class.

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Re: CNN Poll on American's belief of the Origin of Life [Re: Annom]
    #4523844 - 08/11/05 08:50 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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holy shit!
I was looking at it and thought those were student responses. "Eh, what do those young kids know? Theyll get smarter"

They were teachers!!!!??!?

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