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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Silversoul]
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he obviously doesnt know very much about what he's talking about


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Gr33nTree73]
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Would you take psilocybin synthesized in a laboratory?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Diploid]
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I think he does have some basis.

Yes the origins of coke/DMT/LSD are all from earth.

But seriously, think about it. Think about all the stuff it takes to make these extractions. DMT is a prime example. Unless your are doing aysucha (I always f*** that up), it is extractred with HEAVY chemicals. I mean stuff that would probably kill you.
And 100% of those chemicals used to make the extraction are not done away with.

Coke. Oh dear. Do you guys know how much stuff coke is mixed with? Heroin dealers (yes we know it's from poppy) will mix that shizt with anything around.

LSD is synthethic even tho it's a derivative or ergot. Most people who get HPPD usualy take 2c-i/LSD/other man mande shit.

So ImO, he has a point.

BTW What is the big deal about LSD? IMO, the euphoria/insights are not as good as on shrooms. nowhere near.

The only major difference I noticed is that it's more visual. So if you like to see shit..LSD is for you.

Nothing beats a low dose of shrooms + music ha. Or even a high dose and spiritual connection. But yeah i guess I don't see a dancing pink elephant like I did on LSD. So much to learn from that elephant too </sarcasm>


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"We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools."

~Martin Luther King Jr.~

<passitbobbie> if I just showed you a closeup of my ass
<passitbobbie> youd think it was female

"You owe errrbody up in here an apology fow youwe shit, HO!" - classic

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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Gr33nTree73]
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echoes73 said:
Are there other ppl like myself that will only take natural :mushroom2: "drugs" ( i hate calling them drugs) like weed, shrooms, morning glory and take them more for a sense of enlightenment than getting fucked up?




dont delude yourself into believing that enlightenment is obtained through
drugs, they only fool you into believeing that you've found it. these 'natural'
drugs you refer to are simply a carrier for the real drug, a chemical compound,
when that compound is extracted does it make it any less natural? Many of these
man made drugs are nothing more than the extracts of a drug carrier, normaly
compounded with other extracts, Salicylic Acid for instance is simply an extract
from the bark of the willow tree, I'm sure you'd take this drug if the need
called for it


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Quote:
dont delude yourself into believing that enlightenment is obtained through
drugs, they only fool you into believeing that you've found it.


I disagree, they help you to focus on and see the truth.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Diploid]
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Interestingly, in 1962 Dr. Hofmann accompanied R. Gordon Wasson to Huautla de Jimenez where he was introduced to Maria Sabina. A velada was arranged and Dr. Hofmann presented her with a vial of synthetic psilocybin pills which he had produced in his Sandoz lab. Near dawn, when the ceremony ended, Maria declared the pills "the same spirit as the mushrooms," and thanked Dr. Hofmann, saying she could now "serve my people even during the season when no mushrooms grow."


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Afroshroomerican]
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Afroshroomerican said:
Nothing beats a low dose of shrooms + music ha. Or even a high dose and spiritual connection.



you need drugs for a spiritual connection?


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Quote:
you need drugs for a spiritual connection?


Just because you may not need drugs in order to make a spiritual connection, doesn't nescessarally mean they should be automatically disqualified from being used for such purposes. :nonono:


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Edited by Microcosmatrix (06/13/06 05:11 PM)

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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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Microcosmatrix said:
Quote:
dont delude yourself into believing that enlightenment is obtained through
drugs, they only fool you into believeing that you've found it.


I disagree, they help you to focus on and see the truth.


how exactly does seeing a pink elephant as another mentioned or distorted shapes
show you the truth, when in fact what you're seeing is a lie, under the influence
of many of these drugs your thoughs are distorted and erratic, so much for focus


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Do you need drugs period?

Does anyone need coke to feel speeded up?  Weed/Opium/Alchohol to feel relaxed?  Coffe to get you up during the day?  Anti-depressants to make you less depressed? 

Nope. None of these are needed, yet people still do them cause they like the feeling/result because it adds a little intesnity to the desired feeling/result.

My point was not out of nessecity.  It was only out the feelings of the experience. And in my opinion the feelings are greater on shrooms than LSD. LSD seems more like a visual playhouse in your mind.

BTW my comment on the Pink elephant was in reference to an LSD trip I had when I had a tad bit too much (as a halloween dare w/ friends).  Note the </sarcasm> at the end.  I meant i thought aside from LSD being visually fun, I found it to be BLAH.  Again my opinion :smile:


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"We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools."

~Martin Luther King Jr.~

<passitbobbie> if I just showed you a closeup of my ass
<passitbobbie> youd think it was female

"You owe errrbody up in here an apology fow youwe shit, HO!" - classic

Edited by Afroshroomerican (06/13/06 05:11 PM)

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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Gr33nTree73]
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Quote:
guess its just my opinion but things that are natural i think are here for a reason.


good excuse to take drugs :smirk:
that's what it is, drugs. it doesn't matter for what reason you take 'em or if they are natural or not.

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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Microcosmatrix said:
Quote:
dont delude yourself into believing that enlightenment is obtained through
drugs, they only fool you into believeing that you've found it.


I disagree, they help you to focus on and see the truth.


how exactly does seeing a pink elephant as another mentioned or distorted shapes
show you the truth, when in fact what you're seeing is a lie, under the influence
of many of these drugs your thoughs are distorted and erratic, so much for focus


It's not a lie, his unconcious mind generated that elephant.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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Microcosmatrix said:
Quote:
you need drugs for a spiritual connection?


Just because you may not need drugs in order to make a spiritual connection, doesn't nescessarally mean their use should be automatically disqualified from being used for such purposes. :nonono:


spiritualty isnt obtained from drugs, it comes through faith


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Considering that spirituality is a purely subjective garbled mess of thoughts and ideas it is absurd to claim what it comes from.

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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: TheCow]
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As if you can claim one source of it, 'ya know bob, I do believe spirituality only comes from faith.' Some fairly ridiculous shit

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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
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You cannot speak for everyone what comes from drugs.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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Microcosmatrix said:
It's not a lie, his unconcious mind generated that elephant.


his mind isnt unconscious, it's quite conscious and also under the influence of a
halucenogen, ie, halucenations, your conscious mind will find something random
and make it into something recognizable, a stain on a wal becomes the face of
christ, on LSD/Psilocybin, it's more apt to do that


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: TheCow]
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TheCow said:
Considering that spirituality is a purely subjective garbled mess of thoughts and ideas it is absurd to claim what it comes from.


as is this subject matter of this thread, everything you observe is subjective


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
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You seem to be talking from a global abstract however

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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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Microcosmatrix said:
You cannot speak for everyone what comes from drugs.


you cannot speak proper english  :smirk:


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