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Anyone who only takes natural "drugs"
    #5745757 - 06/13/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Are there other ppl like myself that will only take natural :mushroom2: "drugs" ( i hate calling them drugs) like weed, shrooms, morning glory and take them more for a sense of enlightenment than getting fucked up?  Alot of that man made shit :syringe: i just dont see the point like coke, meth, crack, DMT.  guess its just my opinion but things that are natural i think are here for a reason.
What kind of drugs you take?
You may choose only one


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Gr33nTree73]
    #5745766 - 06/13/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No Im not superstitious


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Gr33nTree73]
    #5745768 - 06/13/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

DMT is natural, coke's pretty close. Deadly nightshade is natural too.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Gr33nTree73]
    #5745771 - 06/13/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

would you do coke if you just chewed the leaves?

what about poppy tea? it's still just as addictive as taking morphine pills.


DMT is naturally occuring. ever heard of ayahuasca? you seem very ignorant. just because a chemical occurs naturally doesn't mean it's good/safe.

think of all the toxins/poisons that exist naturally. the basis of your position is seriously flawed.

chemicals are chemicals. each one is different. don't try to generalize them into two groups.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Ythan]
    #5745773 - 06/13/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Ythan said:
DMT is natural, coke's pretty close. Deadly nightshade is natural too.


theres alot of added shit usually in coke and while ure body naturally makes DMT somehow taking DMT in a lab doesnt sound good to me. maybe im just a hippy - the LSD


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Gr33nTree73]
    #5745776 - 06/13/06 01:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

c'mon man, DMT is made in your brain and by many plants

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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Gr33nTree73]
    #5745780 - 06/13/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yes!~

after years of drug abuse...

I stopped taking man made drugs.


and I only use natural drugs in moderation.


I figgure if God made it...

it has a purpose.


Plus I use natural drugs for Spiritual matters these days!~



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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: supra]
    #5745781 - 06/13/06 01:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Perhaps i went abou this all wrong, i guess i shoulda made this, ppl who take only drugs that have been used for ritual by tribes or perscribed by shamans for 1000's of yrs.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Gr33nTree73]
    #5745788 - 06/13/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I like what mckenna said on this very subject. something to the effect of "ketamine was like going into a very large building but it was completely empty." I prefer entheogens that have a long history.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Vvellum]
    #5745795 - 06/13/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

at least roadkill and bi0 get what im talking about, guess i should have made the poll and examples a bit better though.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Gr33nTree73]
    #5745818 - 06/13/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i know what you're getting at, but i still don't completely agree- b/c you are still generalizing.

which is a bad practice. you can't do that. each chemical is different. you may find one without a rich history that you love.


you still didn't answer my question about the poppy tea. it's a natural drug- but it's addictive as hell. it has a LONG LONG history of use.

you just can't generalize.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Roadkill]
    #5745833 - 06/13/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Roadkill said:
I figgure if God made it...
it has a purpose.




Maybe god wanted a powerful hallucinogen but couldnt figure out LSD. Then comes along us, who just really like to get trashed on an insane level and figure out LSD. God is probably like, 'damn them niggas love gettin fucked up look at that shit, even I couldnt make some shit thats highly active on the fuckin micro-gram scale" And thats how I operate, under the assumption that I and other humans are smarter then God.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Gr33nTree73]
    #5745854 - 06/13/06 01:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I understand having a preference for drugs with well established histories, but I don't agree with it, just because they've been in use longer doesn't make them any safer.

but, i do tend to stick to things that are pretty well documented, that's why I steer clear of RC's right now, the compounds really aren't that far fetched but I can't convince myself to try them if I can't say with 100% certainty it won't make me sterile in a year or something like that.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Vvellum]
    #5745856 - 06/13/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

For me it just depends. Ill take opiates but only if I come across them for free. I refuse to fall into addiction by buying them. Same goes for xanax and other tranqs. I will however buy weed,salvia,mescaline, acid,shrooms,DMT etc. When I was younger I messed with cough syrup a bit but never again. I have never tried meth or MDMA and dont plan to. I guess you could say I like to stick to the more naturals but I am not completely closed to other drugs so I had to vote no.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Mr_Brown]
    #5745872 - 06/13/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

labs and precursors can be shutdown.
gardens cannot.

I'd rather learn how to garden
and share the knowledge
and develop that underground.

labs = dependency
gardens = self-sufficiency

but of course, this is all a personal choice.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Vvellum]
    #5745893 - 06/13/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

a garden can be shut down. both on the micro and macro scale humans are pretty darn good at shutting them down actually.

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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: TheCow]
    #5745915 - 06/13/06 02:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

There is no fucking chance one could possibly skip out on the wonders of the all mighty DXM. As far as the others, I have little interest in trying coke(I have a high metabolism), no interest in heroin. Fuck the evils who created crack and meth. I've also had good result with some other lovelies in the pill world(mostly pain killers). Haven't had a chance to try acid, but it will happen. But I can agree naturals have a certain appeal to them.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: doctor_gonzo]
    #5745965 - 06/13/06 02:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

basically every drug comes from something natural


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Gr33nTree73]
    #5745968 - 06/13/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

First of all, DMT is natural. Second, LSD > shrooms.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Gr33nTree73]
    #5745973 - 06/13/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

echoes73 said:
theres alot of added shit usually in coke and while ure body naturally makes DMT somehow taking DMT in a lab doesnt sound good to me. maybe im just a hippy - the LSD



DMT isn't created in a lab. It's extracted from natural sources.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Silversoul]
    #5746013 - 06/13/06 02:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

he obviously doesnt know very much about what he's talking about


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Gr33nTree73]
    #5746016 - 06/13/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Would you take psilocybin synthesized in a laboratory?


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Diploid]
    #5746064 - 06/13/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think he does have some basis.

Yes the origins of coke/DMT/LSD are all from earth.

But seriously, think about it. Think about all the stuff it takes to make these extractions. DMT is a prime example. Unless your are doing aysucha (I always f*** that up), it is extractred with HEAVY chemicals. I mean stuff that would probably kill you.
And 100% of those chemicals used to make the extraction are not done away with.

Coke. Oh dear. Do you guys know how much stuff coke is mixed with? Heroin dealers (yes we know it's from poppy) will mix that shizt with anything around.

LSD is synthethic even tho it's a derivative or ergot. Most people who get HPPD usualy take 2c-i/LSD/other man mande shit.

So ImO, he has a point.

BTW What is the big deal about LSD? IMO, the euphoria/insights are not as good as on shrooms. nowhere near.

The only major difference I noticed is that it's more visual. So if you like to see shit..LSD is for you.

Nothing beats a low dose of shrooms + music ha. Or even a high dose and spiritual connection. But yeah i guess I don't see a dancing pink elephant like I did on LSD. So much to learn from that elephant too </sarcasm>


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Gr33nTree73]
    #5746067 - 06/13/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

echoes73 said:
Are there other ppl like myself that will only take natural :mushroom2: "drugs" ( i hate calling them drugs) like weed, shrooms, morning glory and take them more for a sense of enlightenment than getting fucked up?






dont delude yourself into believing that enlightenment is obtained through
drugs, they only fool you into believeing that you've found it. these 'natural'
drugs you refer to are simply a carrier for the real drug, a chemical compound,
when that compound is extracted does it make it any less natural? Many of these
man made drugs are nothing more than the extracts of a drug carrier, normaly
compounded with other extracts, Salicylic Acid for instance is simply an extract
from the bark of the willow tree, I'm sure you'd take this drug if the need
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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5746070 - 06/13/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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dont delude yourself into believing that enlightenment is obtained through
drugs, they only fool you into believeing that you've found it.




I disagree, they help you to focus on and see the truth.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Diploid]
    #5746072 - 06/13/06 03:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Interestingly, in 1962 Dr. Hofmann accompanied R. Gordon Wasson to Huautla de Jimenez where he was introduced to Maria Sabina. A velada was arranged and Dr. Hofmann presented her with a vial of synthetic psilocybin pills which he had produced in his Sandoz lab. Near dawn, when the ceremony ended, Maria declared the pills "the same spirit as the mushrooms," and thanked Dr. Hofmann, saying she could now "serve my people even during the season when no mushrooms grow."


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5746074 - 06/13/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Afroshroomerican said:
Nothing beats a low dose of shrooms + music ha. Or even a high dose and spiritual connection.





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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5746084 - 06/13/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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you need drugs for a spiritual connection?




Just because you may not need drugs in order to make a spiritual connection, doesn't nescessarally mean they should be automatically disqualified from being used for such purposes. :nonono:


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5746092 - 06/13/06 03:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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dont delude yourself into believing that enlightenment is obtained through
drugs, they only fool you into believeing that you've found it.




I disagree, they help you to focus on and see the truth.




how exactly does seeing a pink elephant as another mentioned or distorted shapes
show you the truth, when in fact what you're seeing is a lie, under the influence
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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5746095 - 06/13/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Do you need drugs period?

Does anyone need coke to feel speeded up?  Weed/Opium/Alchohol to feel relaxed?  Coffe to get you up during the day?  Anti-depressants to make you less depressed? 

Nope. None of these are needed, yet people still do them cause they like the feeling/result because it adds a little intesnity to the desired feeling/result.

My point was not out of nessecity.  It was only out the feelings of the experience. And in my opinion the feelings are greater on shrooms than LSD. LSD seems more like a visual playhouse in your mind.

BTW my comment on the Pink elephant was in reference to an LSD trip I had when I had a tad bit too much (as a halloween dare w/ friends).  Note the </sarcasm> at the end.  I meant i thought aside from LSD being visually fun, I found it to be BLAH.  Again my opinion :smile:


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Gr33nTree73]
    #5746099 - 06/13/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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guess its just my opinion but things that are natural i think are here for a reason.



good excuse to take drugs :smirk:
that's what it is, drugs. it doesn't matter for what reason you take 'em or if they are natural or not.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5746105 - 06/13/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Microcosmatrix said:
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dont delude yourself into believing that enlightenment is obtained through
drugs, they only fool you into believeing that you've found it.




I disagree, they help you to focus on and see the truth.




how exactly does seeing a pink elephant as another mentioned or distorted shapes
show you the truth, when in fact what you're seeing is a lie, under the influence
of many of these drugs your thoughs are distorted and erratic, so much for focus




It's not a lie, his unconcious mind generated that elephant.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5746107 - 06/13/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Microcosmatrix said:
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you need drugs for a spiritual connection?




Just because you may not need drugs in order to make a spiritual connection, doesn't nescessarally mean their use should be automatically disqualified from being used for such purposes. :nonono:




spiritualty isnt obtained from drugs, it comes through faith


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5746111 - 06/13/06 03:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Considering that spirituality is a purely subjective garbled mess of thoughts and ideas it is absurd to claim what it comes from.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: TheCow]
    #5746113 - 06/13/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

As if you can claim one source of it, 'ya know bob, I do believe spirituality only comes from faith.' Some fairly ridiculous shit


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5746116 - 06/13/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You cannot speak for everyone what comes from drugs.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5746117 - 06/13/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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It's not a lie, his unconcious mind generated that elephant.




his mind isnt unconscious, it's quite conscious and also under the influence of a
halucenogen, ie, halucenations, your conscious mind will find something random
and make it into something recognizable, a stain on a wal becomes the face of
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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: TheCow]
    #5746126 - 06/13/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Considering that spirituality is a purely subjective garbled mess of thoughts and ideas it is absurd to claim what it comes from.




as is this subject matter of this thread, everything you observe is subjective


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    #5746128 - 06/13/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You seem to be talking from a global abstract however


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5746129 - 06/13/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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You cannot speak for everyone what comes from drugs.




you cannot speak proper english  :smirk:


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: TheCow]
    #5746134 - 06/13/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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You seem to be talking from a global abstract however




*subjective observation

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    #5746138 - 06/13/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I had sex with a fat chick while drunk. Your point is what?


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: TheCow]
    #5746149 - 06/13/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

did you find god?


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5746155 - 06/13/06 03:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think it was lurking around in one of the folds however that could have been my pride. Its irrelevent what you find, all of human experiences are purely up to the human observing them. So if someone talks to god while tripping, they have to integrate that into themselves. If they ignore it, then fine, if they dont, well whatever. The point is that humans are just apes running around with clothes on, you ever seen a fuckin ape with clothes on otherwise? We are totally fucking nuts


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: TheCow]
    #5746167 - 06/13/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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We are totally fucking nuts



and we like it :laugh: :thumbup: :rolleyes: :crazy2: :mushroom2:


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: stefan]
    #5746170 - 06/13/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yea I dig it also


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5746172 - 06/13/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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You cannot speak for everyone what comes from drugs.




you cannot speak proper english  :smirk:




No, you get the point.. You cannot speak for everyone else about what they will/can find with drugs. You can only speak from your own personal experiences.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5746173 - 06/13/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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spiritualty isnt obtained from drugs, it comes through faith



What if your faith comes from a drug-induced spiritual experience?


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Silversoul]
    #5746175 - 06/13/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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spiritualty isnt obtained from drugs, it comes through faith



What if your faith comes from a drug-induced spiritual experience?




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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: TheCow]
    #5746177 - 06/13/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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all of human experiences are purely up to the human observing them. So if someone talks to god while tripping, they have to integrate that into themselves.




subjectivity is correct, an in that nature (mostly directed to LF) shouldnt I also
be able to find spirituality through meth, asprin or ampicillin? these are also drugs.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5746178 - 06/13/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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spiritualty isnt obtained from drugs, it comes through faith




Faith is merely word people use to hide their doubts about the supernatural aspects of religion. When addressed with the questions that bring up these doubts, faith becomes the excuse. Many people have had their spiritual beliefs pushed on them from a young age by their parents. Perhaps for some people drugs are a way to open your mind to these doubts you have.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5746189 - 06/13/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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all of human experiences are purely up to the human observing them. So if someone talks to god while tripping, they have to integrate that into themselves.




subjectivity is correct, an in that nature (mostly directed to LF) shouldnt I also
be able to find spirituality through meth, asprin or ampicillin? these are also drugs.




Would you also attempt to change a car tire with a screwdriver?


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Silversoul]
    #5746190 - 06/13/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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spiritualty isnt obtained from drugs, it comes through faith



What if your faith comes from a drug-induced spiritual experience?




is your faith in the drug or in your diety


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    #5746194 - 06/13/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yea man, find spirituality through jackin off while reading a boy scouts magazine, I dont give a shit. Do whatever the fuck you want with any drug, think whatever the fuck you want and arrive at whatever insane conclusions you want. We are all totally nuts, we all just exist in a society because its in our best interest to deal with other people to advance, if we lacked that one aspect of humanity Id be in the mountains right now talking to a tree with some girl I grunt at occasionaly.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: doctor_gonzo]
    #5746195 - 06/13/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Perhaps for some people drugs are a way to open your mind to these doubts you have.




perhaps it's also just an excuse to just use the drugs


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5746196 - 06/13/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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TheCow said:
all of human experiences are purely up to the human observing them. So if someone talks to god while tripping, they have to integrate that into themselves.




subjectivity is correct, an in that nature (mostly directed to LF) shouldnt I also
be able to find spirituality through meth, asprin or ampicillin? these are also drugs.




I'm sure you could find where your faith lies going through a very near death experience (OD) on meth, aspirin, or ampicillin. Why not?


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5746199 - 06/13/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What if my faith is in my deity and the drug is a vehicle almost like prayer?

What if I found out that I am god and that the answers are all within me?

What if the drug was LSD?


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    #5746202 - 06/13/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i take only downers... because i think people who use uppers are just wierdos... downers make me relaxed and chill...

i only do alcohol, weed, somas, shrooms, nitrous, occasional percocet, and thats about it...


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #5746203 - 06/13/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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mattzdope said:
I'm sure you could find where your faith lies going through a very near death experience (OD) on meth, aspirin, or ampicillin. Why not?




were peoples faith found through near death experiences with LSD or shrooms?
why cant it just be from recreational use of antibiotics or analgesics


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5746208 - 06/13/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
spiritualty isnt obtained from drugs, it comes through faith



What if your faith comes from a drug-induced spiritual experience?




is your faith in the drug or in your diety




Perfect sentence to illustrate my point about an OD on ANY substance. When close to dieing (not ego-death, actual DEATH) if you believe in a diety your faith lies in them and you are begging + making deals with him / them to keep you alive, not the substance.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5746210 - 06/13/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

LOL man you should go lay down somewhere. :lol:


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5746213 - 06/13/06 03:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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What if my faith is in my deity and the drug is a vehicle almost like prayer?




my brother once said to me "I pray and it seems as if my prayers never make it past the ceiling" I told him to pray outside.

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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #5746214 - 06/13/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Also keep in mind people who claim to have spiritual experiences whil on drugs already had some sort of belief in the first place. If I saw god talking to me while I was tripping, It would'nt clarify a damn thing about my beliefs. Its all a matter of what you originally believe and doubt.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5746216 - 06/13/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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the answers are all within me




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they are




Pris is god too.  :thumbup: Mods, plz lock.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Teragon]
    #5746218 - 06/13/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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would you do coke if you just chewed the leaves?

what about poppy tea? it's still just as addictive as taking morphine pills.


DMT is naturally occuring. ever heard of ayahuasca? you seem very ignorant. just because a chemical occurs naturally doesn't mean it's good/safe.

think of all the toxins/poisons that exist naturally. the basis of your position is seriously flawed.

chemicals are chemicals. each one is different. don't try to generalize them into two groups.




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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5746221 - 06/13/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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LOL man you should go lay down somewhere. :lol:




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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5746225 - 06/13/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

A very energetic soul you are..


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5746229 - 06/13/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the others said fanatical


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    #5746233 - 06/13/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

love salvia
adore lsd
everything is natural.
it is important not to have stiff opinions about stuff not worth fighting about.


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    #5746234 - 06/13/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Also keep in mind people who claim to have spiritual experiences whil on drugs already had some sort of belief in the first place. If I saw god talking to me while I was tripping, It would'nt clarify a damn thing about my beliefs. Its all a matter of what you originally believe and doubt.




This is very true.

Certain experiences with drugs can really solidify or take to another level ones beliefs.


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    #5746236 - 06/13/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

They're not nearly as godly.


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    #5746242 - 06/13/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'ma put some faith on top of this bowl I'm about to fire up!  :grin: :bongload:


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    #5746244 - 06/13/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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it is important not to have stiff opinions about stuff not worth fighting about.




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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5746249 - 06/13/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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the answers are all within me




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they are




Pris is god too.  :thumbup: Mods, plz lock.




What good would locking this be? This topic highly active. Prisoner is right by agreeing him. The anwsers are in us. You shouldn't let someone else affect your beliefs. Keep your mind open.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: doctor_gonzo]
    #5746262 - 06/13/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Microcosmatrix said:
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the answers are all within me




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they are




Pris is god too.  :thumbup: Mods, plz lock.




What good would locking this be? This topic highly active. Prisoner is right by agreeing him. The anwsers are in us. You shouldn't let someone else affect your beliefs. Keep your mind open.




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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: doctor_gonzo]
    #5746271 - 06/13/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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You shouldn't let someone else affect your beliefs.




good discussion on faith/beliefs will always affect your own, for some it
solidifies the foundation, others it it gives a different POV, the same belief
but a different perspective, for some, it shakes it to the ground

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    #5746462 - 06/13/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I figgure if God made it...
it has a purpose.





Maybe god wanted a powerful hallucinogen but couldnt figure out LSD.  Then comes along us, who just really like to get trashed on an insane level and figure out LSD.  God is probably like, 'damn them niggas love gettin fucked up look at that shit, even I couldnt make some shit thats highly active on the fuckin micro-gram scale"  And thats how I operate, under the assumption that I and other humans are smarter then God.





Your not smarter than the average joe...

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    #5746499 - 06/13/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

only alcohol(who doesnt use it?) shrooms and weed for me. and yes i use weed and shrooms for enlightenment and search for more wisdom becuase they make me think philosophically alot, i smoke weed to get really high sometimes to.

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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Teragon]
    #5746684 - 06/13/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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i know what you're getting at, but i still don't completely agree- b/c you are still generalizing.

which is a bad practice. you can't do that. each chemical is different. you may find one without a rich history that you love.


you still didn't answer my question about the poppy tea. it's a natural drug- but it's addictive as hell. it has a LONG LONG history of use.

you just can't generalize.


i guess to help clarify more i wont take anything manmade or anything that contains an addictive property so that rules out anything that comes from the poppy plant. Some ppl may argue that things like weed are addictive but none of the compounds found in it contain anything addictive and if someone is addicted to something of that nature its obviosly a mental problem, abuse of mind numbing.


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    #5746847 - 06/13/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

look at this man, such hostility always.


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    #5746975 - 06/13/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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........ Some ppl may argue that things like weed are addictive but none of the compounds found in it contain anything addictive and if someone is addicted to something of that nature its obviosly a mental problem, abuse of mind numbing.




You are fooling yourself if you believe that you or anyone else is immune to psychological addiction. It is a very real thing and it can happen to anyone who abuses or overuses a drug.


Weed, shrooms, mescaline, etc. are all DRUGS. Any one of them can do just as much harm as a manmade substance if used improperly.

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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Teragon]
    #5747060 - 06/13/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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would you do coke if you just chewed the leaves?

what about poppy tea? it's still just as addictive as taking morphine pills.


DMT is naturally occuring. ever heard of ayahuasca? you seem very ignorant. just because a chemical occurs naturally doesn't mean it's good/safe.

think of all the toxins/poisons that exist naturally. the basis of your position is seriously flawed.

chemicals are chemicals. each one is different. don't try to generalize them into two groups.




Wise words there. Actually I talked about this with Shulgin and he thinks manmade IS better, as I do. You can't get the pure thing in nature. How you use it is what makes it safe or not.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: TheCow]
    #5747290 - 06/13/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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look at this man, such hostility always.





only towards you!~

you attacked me awhile back...

and now basically you are attacking me again!~


If you don't like me being hostile with you...
stop replying to my posts with baiting crap!~

now go back to playing in the street...
a car will be along shortly to put you out of all of our misery!~

:tongue:


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Laterz, Road

Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!


Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.



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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Roadkill]
    #5747347 - 06/13/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Oh do go on sir. I merely put you in the midst of a humorous situation that was understood to be a JOKE. I cant believe you took such offense to it. I dont see how you could still be mad at my joke, considering that you left me a user rating making the same damn joke! albeit a lot shorter.. No where in this thread was I baiting you, the type of bait I use leaves a salty sweetness in the mouth


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Colonel Kurtz Ph.D]
    #5747431 - 06/13/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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How you use it is what makes it safe or not.




This is true.

I dont think its any safer or healthier to only use natural substances with a history to it, I personally think that it just an excuse to make people more comfortable/less guilty about their drug use which they really shouldn't feel in the first place. But in a society where drug users are looked down upon and all the information being spoon-fed to us makes drugs seem like the reason for all of our problems.

Dont get me wrong, they're not harmless especially when used irresponsibly. Addiction is an ugly thing, but its not limited to illegal substances.

You say you only use drugs for strictly spiritual purposes and thats fine. But I hope that it hasnt led to a holier than thou attitude about the people that seem to use drugs to get "fucked up".

Let me put it this way, if you didn't enjoy the experience or if it was physically or mentally painful but you still were able to benefit spiritually from tripping, would you still do it? I think that whatever purpose you have going into a trip I think everyone ends up in the same place. A person eating shrooms to get fucked up will, but he may also have an enlightening experience and vice versa.

I'm not saying that you're wrong because you're not. To each his own, I've always encouraged people to have and express their own opinions and beliefs. And fuck all the people that try to convince you that their way is the only way, all it does is create doubt and confusion in yourself. Just stay open-minded and trust in yourself to make the right decisions.

As for me, I guess it all depends. I love to experience new things but I'll always research something before I decide to try it. But just because a chemical is created in a lab is no reason for me not try it.


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: TheCow]
    #5747438 - 06/13/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I only use unprocessed (I.E. "natural") drugs not because they are any safer or less addictive than processed drugs, but because I trust nature much more than mankind. Sort of like organic vs pesticides and genetic modification. Both have there pros and cons. That and I'm kinda paronoid about what is really in processed drugs, like how coke is processed with gasoline or diesel fuel, and who knows what goes into meth or heroin. Just my opinion and not neccesarily the right one.

~Kuzco


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Gr33nTree73]
    #5747460 - 06/13/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

personally if someone offered me chemical pure psilocybin or some mushrooms i would take either

if someone offered me synthetic mescaline or some peyote buttons i would take either

if someone offered me pure DMT and an maoi pill, or an ayahuasca brew i would take either.

i think a lot of first time mushroom users find themselves wanting to do only natural drugs as they feel like they really connect with the earth and a natural way of things with their first enthogenic experience, however one must realize that it is not the fact that these plants are "natural" that you "trip" but because of certain chemcials in them, and whether they come from the ground or in a lab they will do the same thing

p.s if someone offered me the pure chemical of any substance vs. the naturally occuring one, i would almost certainly always pick the pure one. it seems that natural plants such as different forms of cacti, have other alkaloids that make you sick

p.p.s this is not to de-legitimize people like roadkill who have taken all various forms of psychedelics and now prefer those that are natural, it is just to put a different opinion on the table


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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Roadkill]
    #5747471 - 06/13/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)
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Alright Roadkill lets dance, Ill even let you lead for a bit


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