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Ekstaza
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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Gr33nTree73]
#5746975 - 06/13/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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echoes73 said: ........ Some ppl may argue that things like weed are addictive but none of the compounds found in it contain anything addictive and if someone is addicted to something of that nature its obviosly a mental problem, abuse of mind numbing.
You are fooling yourself if you believe that you or anyone else is immune to psychological addiction. It is a very real thing and it can happen to anyone who abuses or overuses a drug.
Weed, shrooms, mescaline, etc. are all DRUGS. Any one of them can do just as much harm as a manmade substance if used improperly.
Do your drugs and be happy,
Ekstaza
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Colonel Kurtz Ph.D
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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Teragon]
#5747060 - 06/13/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Teragon said: would you do coke if you just chewed the leaves?
what about poppy tea? it's still just as addictive as taking morphine pills.
DMT is naturally occuring. ever heard of ayahuasca? you seem very ignorant. just because a chemical occurs naturally doesn't mean it's good/safe.
think of all the toxins/poisons that exist naturally. the basis of your position is seriously flawed.
chemicals are chemicals. each one is different. don't try to generalize them into two groups.
Wise words there. Actually I talked about this with Shulgin and he thinks manmade IS better, as I do. You can't get the pure thing in nature. How you use it is what makes it safe or not.
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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: TheCow]
#5747290 - 06/13/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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TheCow said:
look at this man, such hostility always.
only towards you!~
you attacked me awhile back...
and now basically you are attacking me again!~
If you don't like me being hostile with you... stop replying to my posts with baiting crap!~
now go back to playing in the street... a car will be along shortly to put you out of all of our misery!~

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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Roadkill]
#5747347 - 06/13/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh do go on sir. I merely put you in the midst of a humorous situation that was understood to be a JOKE. I cant believe you took such offense to it. I dont see how you could still be mad at my joke, considering that you left me a user rating making the same damn joke! albeit a lot shorter.. No where in this thread was I baiting you, the type of bait I use leaves a salty sweetness in the mouth
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phantomstranger
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How you use it is what makes it safe or not.
This is true.
I dont think its any safer or healthier to only use natural substances with a history to it, I personally think that it just an excuse to make people more comfortable/less guilty about their drug use which they really shouldn't feel in the first place. But in a society where drug users are looked down upon and all the information being spoon-fed to us makes drugs seem like the reason for all of our problems.
Dont get me wrong, they're not harmless especially when used irresponsibly. Addiction is an ugly thing, but its not limited to illegal substances.
You say you only use drugs for strictly spiritual purposes and thats fine. But I hope that it hasnt led to a holier than thou attitude about the people that seem to use drugs to get "fucked up".
Let me put it this way, if you didn't enjoy the experience or if it was physically or mentally painful but you still were able to benefit spiritually from tripping, would you still do it? I think that whatever purpose you have going into a trip I think everyone ends up in the same place. A person eating shrooms to get fucked up will, but he may also have an enlightening experience and vice versa.
I'm not saying that you're wrong because you're not. To each his own, I've always encouraged people to have and express their own opinions and beliefs. And fuck all the people that try to convince you that their way is the only way, all it does is create doubt and confusion in yourself. Just stay open-minded and trust in yourself to make the right decisions.
As for me, I guess it all depends. I love to experience new things but I'll always research something before I decide to try it. But just because a chemical is created in a lab is no reason for me not try it.
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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: TheCow]
#5747438 - 06/13/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I only use unprocessed (I.E. "natural") drugs not because they are any safer or less addictive than processed drugs, but because I trust nature much more than mankind. Sort of like organic vs pesticides and genetic modification. Both have there pros and cons. That and I'm kinda paronoid about what is really in processed drugs, like how coke is processed with gasoline or diesel fuel, and who knows what goes into meth or heroin. Just my opinion and not neccesarily the right one.
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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Gr33nTree73]
#5747460 - 06/13/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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personally if someone offered me chemical pure psilocybin or some mushrooms i would take either
if someone offered me synthetic mescaline or some peyote buttons i would take either
if someone offered me pure DMT and an maoi pill, or an ayahuasca brew i would take either.
i think a lot of first time mushroom users find themselves wanting to do only natural drugs as they feel like they really connect with the earth and a natural way of things with their first enthogenic experience, however one must realize that it is not the fact that these plants are "natural" that you "trip" but because of certain chemcials in them, and whether they come from the ground or in a lab they will do the same thing
p.s if someone offered me the pure chemical of any substance vs. the naturally occuring one, i would almost certainly always pick the pure one. it seems that natural plants such as different forms of cacti, have other alkaloids that make you sick
p.p.s this is not to de-legitimize people like roadkill who have taken all various forms of psychedelics and now prefer those that are natural, it is just to put a different opinion on the table
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Re: Anyone who only takes natural "drugs" [Re: Roadkill]
#5747471 - 06/13/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Alright Roadkill lets dance, Ill even let you lead for a bit
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