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Immortality
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Some day immortality might become a scientific possibility, but for now it is not. I want to address the issue of the immortal soul. No experience that a human can have could possibly prove the existance of life after death. Astral projection, ghosts, ESP, and other paranormal phenomenon can only point to the possible existance of the paranormal....they are not a comment on the immortality of the human. The survival of the spirit is not certain by any means, and it seems to be an idea engendered by nothing more than the fear of death.

Now, when people start to think of themselves as immortal all sorts of petty behaviors start to occur. They often live their life as if the "afterlife" were more important or real than the here/now. They become judgemental and self righteous. They sometimes engage in violent acts towards their neighbors. They act as if they have all the time in the world and seldom even attempt to acheive their potential. When one accepts their mortality as real then one develops a greater appreciation for life. They truly begin to understand the value that life...not just human life...but any life...has. Being a mere mortal strips away all kinds of pettiness and self pity. You only have time to do things of value. Engaging in valueless acts becomes desparately irrational in the light of our mortality. Your time is limited...appreciate what you do have, and live every day like there might not be another.

Quote:
Do what you wanna
Do what you will
Just don't mess up
Your neighbor's thrill
And when you pay the bill
Kindly leave a little tip
And help the next poor sucker
On his one way trip...

--Frank Zappa


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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I agree 100%. There seems to be a barrier to humans in general accepting and then using the idea of personal death. I know this from personal experience.

If I was truly using death as an advisor at all times I would never be saying to myself, "I wish I had done this or that" or "why didn't that ever happen" or I hope that I can do this or that. I would act. I would strategically plot a course and without rushing or hesitation do my best.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Quote:
Engaging in valueless acts...


Such as posting about engaging in valueless acts...  :wink:


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I'm Sporetacus!

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Re: Immortality [Re: Sporetacus]
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You could have a point there...


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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do you know how to remember your past lives? It can be tricky. Hell, its tricky to remember all the moments of your current life!


OK, let me teach you a technique. First, begin meditation. Clear your mind and relax your body. Then, start remembering. Start at the present and work your way backwards. Eventually, you will get to your birth. Now, the tricky part is making a leap of faith over that void between the birth of your current incarnation and the death of your last one. I can't help you with that, you'll have to figure it out yourselves.

Now, what I can tell you is that all humans, past and present, are connected. Some humans are closer to certain other humans. Their bonds are stronger.

Looking back through history, are there any historical figures that strike a chord in you? Are you inspired by some figures and disgusted by others? Well, that might tell you a little bit about who YOU are, right?

Yes, a lot of people claim to have been Jesus, or Hitler, or anyone else who is famous. These people might be wrong or right, or something in between. Maybe they just know Jesus really well because they were his shoe or something.

The point is, we are all connected, and we all fit in somewhere.

here's a tool song for you to chew on:

"I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them fall away
Mildewed and smoldering, fundamental differing,
Pure intention juxtaposed will set two lovers souls in motion
Disintegrating as it goes testing our communication
The light that fueled our fire then has burned a hole between us so
We cannot see to reach an end crippling our communication.

I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them tumble down
No fault, none to blame it doesnt mean I dont desire to
Point the finger, blame the other, watch the temple topple over.
To bring the pieces back together, rediscover communication.

The poetry that comes from the squaring off between,
And the circling is worth it.
Finding beauty in the dissonance.

There was a time that the pieces fit, but I watched them fall away.
Mildewed and smoldering, strangled by our coveting
Ive done the the math enough to know the dangers of a second guessing
Doomed to crumble unless we grow, and strengthen our communication

Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion

Between supposed lovers
Between supposed lovers.

And I know the pieces fit."

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Re: Immortality [Re: DoctorJ]
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One's reality is built on how one uses their awareness. Your experience might be valid to you, but this is not empirical evidence...merely "dreaming". For me, it is better to remain among the mortals.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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"Life is not a dress rehearsal."

:grin:

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Re: Immortality [Re: Veritas]
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I am in full compliance with that.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Compliance or agreement?  :wink:

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Re: Immortality [Re: Veritas]
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It is a law as far as I am concerned....both comliance and agreement.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Immortality [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ said:
do you know how to remember your past lives? It can be tricky. Hell, its tricky to remember all the moments of your current life!
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OK, let me teach you a technique. First, begin meditation. Clear your mind and relax your body. Then, start remembering. Start at the present and work your way backwards. Eventually, you will get to your birth. Now, the tricky part is making a leap of faith over that void between the birth of your current incarnation and the death of your last one. I can't help you with that, you'll have to figure it out yourselves.



Who were you in your last life, specifically....?
I have got to think that if you can recall memories/events of a physical life that wasn't yours, your identity would also be known....


>^;;^<


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
>^;;^<

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Re: Immortality [Re: PhanTomCat]
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well, I could tell you where Sally Hemmings was buried, but I wouldn't want to disturb her bones. Besides, I would rather most people believe than know for sure. knowledge is scary, and brings scary powers that some can't handle.

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Re: Immortality [Re: Veritas]
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Accepting that notion as a law is the only way to be free from the conspiracy of the immortals.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Conspiracy?  Are you off your meds again??  :wink:

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Re: Immortality [Re: Veritas]
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Nearly every man sees himself as immortal...and they act as such indulging in every sort of petty act imaginable because they have infinite time. These "immortals" try to spread this (false) immortality through cultural programming and religion. That is the conspiracy. It robs you of what life you have.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Immortality [Re: DoctorJ]
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How can you know for SURE that what you are calling memories of a past life aren't really just imaginative creations from within your own abstractively creative mind...?

Believing everything that pops into your head does not always make it so....

Sometimes when I wake up from a dream and can remember it clearly, I can recall it later and sometimes wonder if it was real - or a dream....
You can start believing it is real till the point that you forgot that is was a dream, but again, that doesn't make it "reality"....


>^;;^<


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
>^;;^<

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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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OK, that makes more sense.  If there are true immortals, I doubt that they would be interested in human-oriented conspiracies.

False immortals, also known as the mass of humanity living lives of quiet despair, do seem to engage in the conspiracy to pretend we will never die.

It seems to me that they cling desperately to the miserable lives they are living because of the idea that someday they will be allowed to live the lives they want.  Until that "someday" arrives, they MUST stay alive.

I confronted my own death when I was 21, after I was given a 50/50 chance of surviving childbirth.  After that, I knew for certain that I will die.  I work on applying this knowledge to my living. :grin:

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Re: Immortality [Re: DoctorJ]
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"I could tell you where Sally Hemmings was buried"

How come people like to believe that they were the reincarnation of someone famous... For many I would guess it is a substitute for not being noted in this life.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
Nearly every man sees himself as immortal...and they act as such indulging in every sort of petty act imaginable because they have infinite time. These "immortals" try to spread this (false) immortality through cultural programming and religion. That is the conspiracy. It robs you of what life you have.


well actually, when a man uses his knowledge of his own immortality irresponsibly (such as Hitler did), there is a dire punishment called 'bad karma', which negatively effects not just your current life, but many lives to come as well.

The key to positive immortality is using your knowledge of immortality for good and not evil. So don't get mad at a concept just because you personally don't feel capable of handling it properly.

Also, belief in reincarnation causes people to behave more responsibly, IMO. Look at China. Do they consume and pollute like americans do? Do they treat their lives as races to see who can consume the most resources before they die? NO!! They live humbly, for they know they will be coming back to this place later! They have a vested spiritual interest in keeping the planet clean!

People who believe they only get one life often use that as a justification to be extremely destructive.

Now, I'm all for having fun, believe me. But we must respect eachother and our environment! ITS IN OUR OWN BEST INTEREST TO DO SO!!!

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Re: Immortality [Re: DoctorJ]
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"Look at China. Do they consume and pollute like americans do?"

China produces more pollutants than any other nation.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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