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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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kingdom of heaven
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How do you see your kingdom of heaven?
Well all seem to have our own ideas of what the world should be like, how should people act or not act etc.

So what's your idea? How would people live, where, what should they do all day, what should they not do etc.?
And do you think your idea is realisitic in terms of would it work?


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: kingdom of heaven [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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Look to the Bonobos! :laugh:

Throw in some good drugs.

Drumming circles and such.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (05/07/06 05:15 PM)

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Re: kingdom of heaven [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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The Kingdom of Heaven is actually on Mars, we just don't have the technology to get there yet. :wink:

But verily, the Kingdom of Heaven is right here, right now.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: kingdom of heaven [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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OldWoodSpecter said:
How do you see your kingdom of heaven?


My what?

Quote:
So what's your idea? How would people live, where, what should they do all day, what should they not do etc.?
And do you think your idea is realisitic in terms of would it work?


It is as it is now. That is how it should be, and it is very realistic in terms of how it would work, because it already does work. :lol:

:headbang: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: kingdom of heaven [Re: fireworks_god]
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You naturalist! Just because something is the way it is, doesn't mean that it is the way it is supposed to be!  Can't you get with the program of disputing the nature of reality?? :wink:

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Re: kingdom of heaven [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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Calvin: Hobbes, what do you think happens to us when we die?
Hobbes: I think we play saxophone for an all-girl cabaret in New Orleans.
Calvin: So you believe in heaven?
Hobbes: Call it what you like.


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Re: kingdom of heaven [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
OldWoodSpecter said:
How do you see your kingdom of heaven?


My what?

Quote:
So what's your idea? How would people live, where, what should they do all day, what should they not do etc.?
And do you think your idea is realisitic in terms of would it work?


It is as it is now. That is how it should be, and it is very realistic in terms of how it would work, because it already does work. :lol:

:headbang: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


Wow, I've never heard anyone being OK with current happenings such as crime, politics, wars, hunger etc.


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: kingdom of heaven [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
OldWoodSpecter said:
How do you see your kingdom of heaven?


My what?

Quote:
So what's your idea? How would people live, where, what should they do all day, what should they not do etc.?
And do you think your idea is realisitic in terms of would it work?


It is as it is now. That is how it should be, and it is very realistic in terms of how it would work, because it already does work. :lol:

:headbang: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


so you support the criminalization of drugs? you dont feel any beneficial changes could be made?

Edited by Deviate (05/07/06 05:34 PM)

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Re: kingdom of heaven [Re: Deviate]
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The way I see it, crime, politics, wars, hunger, drug criminlization: they're all by-products of ignorance. Almost every human on the planet walks around with an enormous metaphorical splinter in their eye. But that includes us. The best way to remove ignorance is by removing the splinters, but how can one know how to remove splinters unless one has removed their own?

Remove the splinter from your own eye, then you will see clearly how to help others remove theirs. If it means becoming a political activist, alright. If it means becoming a protestor, alright. If it means putting yourself in danger of corruption by becoming a politician, alright. If it means sitting at home doing absolutely nothing about it, providing no resistence for ignorance in order that it may burn itself out, alright.

But there is nothing inherently "wrong" about ignorance. It may not be what one would like to have, but it is not wrong of itself. It is simply the way God is manifesting, so to say ignorance is wrong is to say that God is wrong.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: kingdom of heaven [Re: dblaney]
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dblaney said:
The way I see it, crime, politics, wars, hunger, drug criminlization: they're all by-products of ignorance. Almost every human on the planet walks around with an enormous metaphorical splinter in their eye. But that includes us. The best way to remove ignorance is by removing the splinters, but how can one know how to remove splinters unless one has removed their own?

Remove the splinter from your own eye, then you will see clearly how to help others remove theirs. If it means becoming a political activist, alright. If it means becoming a protestor, alright. If it means putting yourself in danger of corruption by becoming a politician, alright. If it means sitting at home doing absolutely nothing about it, providing no resistence for ignorance in order that it may burn itself out, alright.

But there is nothing inherently "wrong" about ignorance. It may not be what one would like to have, but it is not wrong of itself. It is simply the way God is manifesting, so to say ignorance is wrong is to say that God is wrong.


when did i say anything was wrong?

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Re: kingdom of heaven [Re: Deviate]
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You're right, you didn't. I'm sorry, I guess I intended that message more towards Old Wood.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: kingdom of heaven [Re: dblaney]
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dblaney said:
You're right, you didn't. I'm sorry, I guess I intended that message more towards Old Wood.


Well this is not the issue of what should and what should not be in general, this thread is about your wishes and your ideas of what should be..

There is always a lot of complaining around here, and we hear what should NOT be all the time, so I wanted to hear from all of you what you think SHOULD be then..


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: kingdom of heaven [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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Oh okay, I gotcha: so you mean like in human society, what the ideal situation would be? Not what is, but what we think ought to be?


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: kingdom of heaven [Re: dblaney]
    #5602006 -

dblaney said:
Oh okay, I gotcha: so you mean like in human society, what the ideal situation would be? Not what is, but what we think ought to be?



yea


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: kingdom of heaven [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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The Kingdom of God is here, there, and everywhere. Most folks can't see it though


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"Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

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Re: kingdom of heaven [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Look to the Bonobos! :laugh:

Throw in some good drugs.

Drumming circles and such.

Burning Man.


Great ideas Ice. :thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (05/07/06 06:44 PM)

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Is vs. Ought [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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Hehe, funny you should ask this, because this is a debate that my philosophy instructor and I have been having for some time.

Is vs. Ought

The word ought means what I think things should be like, according to my own personal likes and dislikes. However, likes and desires are the very cause of suffering and unhappiness. So it is wise, IMO to not chase after things in the vain hope of acheving them. Let's say you want money. So you spend years getting an education, doing low level work, then finally you get a good job. You get a good amount of money, but you still aren't satisfied, now you realize that even more money would be nicer. Or perhaps your money gets stolen. Or perhaps the stock market crashes. Either way, there will be suffering of some degree.

So I think that while one can fantasize about the way things ought to be, it will ultimately cause suffering if things don't turn out that way, or if they do but they are just temporary (and all things are).

Thus I think that one should focus on what is and disregard what they think ought to be. For things are rarely as we would like them to be (as we think they ought to be), and even those few times that they are as we would like them to be, something always happens and they are once again not as we would like them to be.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Is vs. Ought [Re: dblaney]
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Quote:
However, likes and desires are the very cause of suffering and unhappiness.


*Stubborn emotional attachment/addiction to one's likes and desires.

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Re: kingdom of heaven [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Icelander said:
Look to the Bonobos! :laugh:

Throw in some good drugs.

Drumming circles and such.


Great ideas Ice. :thumbup:


:lol:

I agree, great ideas, especially if one can do them fully in the Present.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: kingdom of heaven [Re: Veritas]
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Yes! :thumbup: That's an important clarification, thanks.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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