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    #4364119 - 07/02/05 08:34 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: heaven and hell make no sense [Re: mtw397]
    #4364134 - 07/02/05 08:37 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

not if hell begins in your mind

It would be stupid of god to make a place that is just unpleasant and hope that it bothers humans. The wise thing to do would be to create hell in human minds so that they can't get used to it


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Re: heaven and hell make no sense [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4364162 - 07/02/05 08:55 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
not if hell begins in your mind

It would be stupid of god to make a place that is just unpleasant and hope that it bothers humans. The wise thing to do would be to create hell in human minds so that they can't get used to it


:thumbup: I like that.


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Re: heaven and hell make no sense *DELETED* [Re: CeeThruMeer]
    #4364175 - 07/02/05 09:02 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: heaven and hell make no sense [Re: mtw397]
    #4364181 - 07/02/05 09:06 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

HELL IS.....OTHER PEOPLE!!


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Re: heaven and hell make no sense [Re: freddurgan]
    #4979742 - 11/25/05 01:41 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

dude, nothing exists, we just imagine it all to exist, and imagination creates reality, so to an extent heaven and hell exist, but i think they are more or less peoples internal views of the world rather than a place your soul goes once your body dies

just remember nothing exists, so just have fun in this world we have imagined for ourselves  :laugh:


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Re: heaven and hell make no sense [Re: CeeThruMeer]
    #4979766 - 11/25/05 01:49 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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CeeThruMeer said:
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OldWoodSpecter said:
not if hell begins in your mind

It would be stupid of god to make a place that is just unpleasant and hope that it bothers humans. The wise thing to do would be to create hell in human minds so that they can't get used to it


:thumbup: I like that.




That is, if God was concerned with punishing people. :grin:


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Re: heaven and hell make no sense [Re: mtw397]
    #4979918 - 11/25/05 02:31 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

"If you were sent to hell, after a while your mind would eventually forget what it was to be happy and feel goodness."

Wonderful insight.

This is important stuff (on all sorts of levels). Accept and rejoice.

The farthest reach of suffering is bliss. Through surrender. One is forced to give in/up.

Thanks man.


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Re: heaven and hell make no sense [Re: mtw397]
    #4980157 - 11/25/05 03:44 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Heaven and Hell make perfect sense. It keeps the Christians from getting out of line....I'm glad that I ain't one.


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Re: heaven and hell make no sense [Re: mtw397]
    #4980293 - 11/25/05 04:32 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

More or less Derrida calls this diff?rance, which he also calls the first metaphysic. Basically: everything is based on a duality, or implies an opposite: good implies bad; when you create good you create bad and so on.

Start snooping around that stuff and you'll see this idea of your grow from a wind-egg to a beautiful unicorn!


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Re: heaven and hell make no sense [Re: Lakefingers]
    #4980989 - 11/25/05 08:35 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

you're right assuming heaven and hell were physical places but they are not physical places.


3. Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the Father's kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is within you and it is outside you.


if the kindgom of heaven is within us and it is outside us, what else could it be other than a state of consciousness? both heaven and hell are states of consciousness and both exist.

the thing that baffles me most is how people can still believe in an outer kindgom when jesus clearly stated the kingdom was within 2000 years ago. get with the times people.


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Re: heaven and hell make no sense [Re: mtw397]
    #4981009 - 11/25/05 08:47 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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mtw397 said:
There must be two poles for something to exist. For example happiness cannot exist without saddness, good without bad.
If you were sent to hell, after a while your mind would eventually forget what it was to be happy and feel goodness. Therefore it wouldn't be bad at all, it would just become nothingness. And therefore it cannot exist. Does anyone agree with this?




What if heaven and hell were the very same place? just in different states of mind?  :confused: :thumbup:


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Re: heaven and hell make no sense [Re: Deviate]
    #4981434 - 11/25/05 11:31 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the Father's kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is within you and it is outside you.





Do you know where that is in the Bible?  I think that that could come off as sarcastic, but I would really like to know.  It would make my day. :heart:


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Re: heaven and hell make no sense [Re: justAkid]
    #4981525 - 11/25/05 11:51 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

it's verse 3 of the gospel of thomas which i don't think was included in the bible (the bible only contains 4 gospels).

however, in the bible jesus also said the same thing:


20Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."

Luke 17:20.


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Re: heaven and hell make no sense [Re: Deviate]
    #4982510 - 11/26/05 11:09 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

the gospel of thomas was left out, much like the book of enoch and many of the other sea scrolls.

its fun to mix n match!


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Re: heaven and hell make no sense [Re: kotik]
    #4982523 - 11/26/05 11:17 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

nothing makes sense


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Re: heaven and hell make no sense [Re: dr0mni]
    #4982535 - 11/26/05 11:20 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

everything makes sense. :rofl2:


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Re: heaven and hell make no sense [Re: Deviate]
    #4984585 - 11/26/05 10:23 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

20Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."

Luke 17:20.

I actually had that underlined.  But I hadn't been reading the Bible in some time so I guess I forgot.  Thank you brother. 

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Re: heaven and hell make no sense [Re: justAkid]
    #4985761 - 11/27/05 10:51 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The major problem I have with the heaven idea is that it is this place where everything you want, you experience. Hypothetically speaking, my heaven is sitting in a comfterable chair with a stage in front of me and the rest of eternity, live bands come out (phish, hendrix, grateful dead, zepplinn, umphrey's, cheese, hookah, keller, galactic, panic, etc) and play endless shows for me. Now this is my heaven, however my neighbor feels that heaven is eating a buffet for the rest of eternity. Isn't it irrational to think that there is a place where it is ever changing to each and every one of it's members needs. It just defies all common sense and logic I can't comprehend it.


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Re: heaven and hell make no sense [Re: DankAne]
    #4986202 - 11/27/05 02:55 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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The major problem I have with the heaven idea is that it is this place where everything you want, you experience. Hypothetically speaking, my heaven is sitting in a comfterable chair with a stage in front of me and the rest of eternity, live bands come out (phish, hendrix, grateful dead, zepplinn, umphrey's, cheese, hookah, keller, galactic, panic, etc) and play endless shows for me. Now this is my heaven, however my neighbor feels that heaven is eating a buffet for the rest of eternity. Isn't it irrational to think that there is a place where it is ever changing to each and every one of it's members needs. It just defies all common sense and logic I can't comprehend it.





what defies common sense is the belief in an outer kingdom. jesus said the kingdom was within so why are you picturing it without? it's not eating or listening to music that you or your neighbor really like, it's the enjoyable feelings you get from doing those things. those feelings are within you.


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