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No More Ego Death
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I have noticed an interesting trend lately. When I ingest a psychedelic substance I no longer experience what is known as "ego death". No change in my personality seems to take place. I used to be quite shocked by myself, but in the last year my personality seems to be stable no matter what situation or dose of entheogen. Is this a sign of growth or degradation?


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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its a sign that drugs no longer work for you and you need to turn to alternate methods if you wish to continue transending your ego.

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: Deviate]
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Agreed. It sounds like psychedelics have taught you all they can, and it's up to you to continue your spiritual growth on your own.


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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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:naughty: :thumbup:


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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: Gomp]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
I have noticed an interesting trend lately. When I ingest a psychedelic substance I no longer experience what is known as "ego death". No change in my personality seems to take place. I used to be quite shocked by myself, but in the last year my personality seems to be stable no matter what situation or dose of entheogen. Is this a sign of growth or degradation?


I think it is a sign of your growth. Certainly evident of the fact that you've removed the impurities of the mind which directs your experience and your awareness.

I'd have to assume that you are still experiencing altered effects from the experience? Heightened awareness, etc. etc.?

I wouldn't find much merit in the suggestions that you must stop taking psychadelics and pursue other methods of "transcending the ego", or that psychadelics have stopped working for you. There is no sense in transcending something that you have purposefully created and transformed to best conduct your life.

Anyone who suggests that psychadelics have nothing further to teach you do not embrace the psychadelic experience for what it is. It isn't a hammer that one uses to remodel one's bathroom and then to be put away; it is a blessed experience that simply is. Unless absolutely nothing happens when you take psychadelics, and one still finds the experience enjoyable, then I don't see why one cannot still partake.

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Peace. :mushroom2:


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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: fireworks_god]
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surprises never cease, but "egodeath" is not a real issue, It is more like theater, which probably is obvious as you may bore from repetition, and then when you get cocky it stings you in the bum.


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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: redgreenvines]
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I realize ego death is not really ego death. I just used the term to refer to what I consider being aware of the ego. It is a familiar term that others do understand.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Even in the high dose range?

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Hey brother Coyotl :wink:
I think, it is a very good sign, too. A sign of growth for sure ! Some sign of resonance, I would assume. I am in lack of words, but at least, that ignorance  or resistance can not be the cause while ingesting psychedelic substance to it to not letting it work, it must have to do something with transcendence of ego and resonance with spirituality :wink:
:thumbup: :heart:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: BlueCoyote]
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You can't because you're trying. You can't try, you can't not try, you can't do anything. "You" don't really exist, therefore the ego cannot attain ego death, all you're doing is nurturing it.

Edited by rfus80 (03/13/06 05:07 PM)

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: rfus80]
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he knows that already
he's just checking if this hiatus is good or bad
and we can't say.


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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: redgreenvines]
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maybe it's a sign that theres no more you really need to discover through this tool. move on from it, maybe? try something new.

"ego death" is alright through a tool like mushrooms. but its even better when you no longer need those tools to really grasp your reality.

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: lysergicide]
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yes redgreen.

I remember how it was with weed and me. The first times it blew me far away, then we set some bubbling challenge almost every night, to see, who will be the last to stand with heavy loads. Now, it will only blow me away, if I will do a longer break, perhaps that is the key ?
I don't know, if it's pure 'adjusting' of ones mind, and if, what is the difference with your mind coping with the drug or better, your mind utilizing the drug :wink:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Do you not use the energy of the psychedelic in conjunction with a technique?
I quickly recognized that very intense Yoga could be done with psychedelics. For example, there is a decrease in pain when performing 'asanas,' and greater flexibility to go into the form with increased concentration. In turn, the force exerted by the body produces variations and intensifications of visions. Again, during the 'kumbhaka' or retention of breath between 'puraka' [inhalation] and 'rechaka' [exhalation], my awareness has often opened up into timelessness to an extraordinary degree. What was probably a short span of clock time seemed an eternity that was respendent with pure energy and ecstasy - break-through states of higher consciousness (samadhis).

Stan Grof learned to use breathing techniques (holotropic breathing) which probably replicates Yogic techniques, and subjects plunged into the birth-death sequence that apparently exists between the mind-moments (if that makes any sense) and results in a revivification of one's last birth experience.

Even a techique in Jnana Yoga, like the Vichara Atma [Who am I?] as taught by Sri Ramana Maharshi, can bring one's mind into the Heart Cave and result in an experience of oneself at Atman, the Eternal Witness, which is Jnana [Gnosis]. On psychedelics, in my youth, I personally favored the more Shaktic Hatha [Sun-Moon] or Kundalini exercises for creating a rapid and radical shift in consciousness. Hyper-pranic states can replace ego-consciousness in transient Nirvikalpa Samadhi experiences - humming, inner illuminated, electric states that may then open the Heart Center upon the descent from the Crown Center.

I am a little wary of these very energetic states at this point of my life, and will perhaps pursue the deeper, stiller descent into the Heart  :heart: Center (wherein the Red and White 'Drops' are said to re-unify in certain Tibetan Buddhist practices; and in preparation for my physical ego death, which will 'probably' be a cardiovascular accident).

                                 


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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Yes, you have to be very careful with things like Kundalini. There are many people that screw up their energy systems and go crazy practicing without a firm base in meditation. Opting for the more quiet, contemplative practices will be much more beneficial for psycadelic exploration.


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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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I do. I use shamanic techniques. I have found that this is so much easier to focus on now that I am not concerned with my flaws and weirdnesses. I also have found that meditation is much easier lately. I have reached a point of total self acceptance these days. It does not mean that there is not room for growth, I just feel that it has taken a different turn. I see it as a positive, I was just wondering what others think.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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so how is the salvia experiment going?


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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: redgreenvines]
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It is going quite well. I am undertaking complex visualization exercises using increasingly larger doses of salvia. This is an attempt to tame this "beast". I am at 100mg of 10X so far. At this dose I am in full control of my visualization capability. Beyond this I slip a little, but I am working on it. I have found it to be a valuable visualization tool.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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If you've gotten to this point on your path, would you mind sharing where you were when you first started?

It might be encouraging to hear. Total self-acceptance...that seems like a faraway dream to me. Just wondered where you began.

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
It is going quite well. I am undertaking complex visualization exercises using increasingly larger doses of salvia. This is an attempt to tame this "beast". I am at 100mg of 10X so far. At this dose I am in full control of my visualization capability. Beyond this I slip a little, but I am working on it. I have found it to be a valuable visualization tool.


are you smoking it? can you go into more detail about what this visualization entails? salvia is something i am extremely curious about.

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