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Alcohol
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Does isopropal(SP?) alcohol kill mold spores? Like lets say you needed to wipe down a tub.

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Re: Alcohol [Re: Liquidkick]
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from what I know alcohol doesnt do much in the killing department but its more of a 'sanitizer' there other things out there that will get the job done... h202, lysol, bleach.. etc.. use in combination for best results :smile2:

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Re: Alcohol [Re: DICK]
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alcohol is not a sanitizer it is more a contaimination control method. Spores are not the only things you need to worry about. A cold germ can contaiminate a cake or casing but it is not technically a spore. Bleach is a better way to go. I personally use:
10% Alcohol
5% H2O2
25% Bleach (Liquid)
60% Distilled Water
3 Drops Soap (Hand Sanitizer) <------- not really nessassary

Mix it all up very well and then use as needed.
I recomend a breathing mask as it will create a bleach mist in the air and it can be harmful to you. And hard to breath.


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Re: Alcohol [Re: Keen_Eyed]
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DO NOT MIX BLEACH WITH ANYTHING ELSE. Please, don't make up "super cleaning solutions". That's a good way to create poisonous gases. Everyone should know that ammonia and bleach when mixed will send you to the emergency room. Less known is that you shouldn't mix bleach with phospate-based cleaners because that releases chlorine gas (quite nasty), which in water also produces hydrochloric and hypochlorous acids. Unless you're a chemist, the safe thing to do is just not mix cleaning solutions, period.

Bleach by itself is very effective, and solutions more concentrated than 10% bleach/water are not more effective at sterilizing, just more caustic. Alcohol is an excellent surfactant, with the standard 70% solution found in drug/grocery stores the most effective. Pure alcohol is surprisingly less effective, because water helps the alcohol to penetrate the surface of germs. Hydrogen peroxide in the retail 3% solution isn't strong enough for general cleaning purposes, but can be useful in dilute solutions for protecting established mycelium against contams, since mycelia can protect itself from hydrogen peroxide. Spores, however, can't protect themselves, so H2O2 should not be used during germination.

Sorry, Keen_Eyed, I know you're trying to help, I am not bashing you. I just cringe when anyone starts concocting 'super cleaners'. So much harm can happen, so little gain over the commercial products.

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Re: Alcohol [Re: mogur]
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One question Mogur:
is ok to mix bleach and h2o2?


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Re: Alcohol [Re: FGL]
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Bleach is best left mixed with water only...seriously.


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Re: Alcohol [Re: Delinquentes]
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Delinquentes said:
Bleach is best left mixed with water only...seriously.


:thumbup: Good advice - Bleach is dangerous by itself, and can be much more dangerous when mixed with other chemicals.

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Re: Alcohol [Re: Room4Shroom]
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I got it! :thumbup:


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Re: Alcohol [Re: FGL]
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FGL, bleach acts as a catalyst for the peroxide and will break it down into water and oxygen. While perfectly safe, there is little point in wasting the peroxide. But if you like bubbles, by all means, enjoy them. By itself, H2O2 is a rather poor microbicide compared to chlorine, bromine, ozone, and other commonly used disinfectants.

For effective cleaning, mix 1 part household bleach to 9 parts water. Use to wash all surfaces that are not harmed by the bleach solution. Spray the air with Lysol, Oust, or similar aerosol. Let the alcohol vapor contained in these sprays dissipate before lighting any flames, particularly inside a small space such as a glove-box, or even a tiny bathroom. 70% isopropanol is very effective also for surface sterilization, but be sure to let the alcohol have at least 10 seconds contact time for maximum effect. Flame sterilization is effective for metal tools, but alcohol will suffice by itself, and is easier.

Hydrogen peroxide isn't very effective by itself as a disinfectant. A 3% solution is used on open wounds, 6% to bleach your hair, and 9% to bleach your teeth. Higher concentrations are available for pool maintenance, but why bother? Bleach is a buck a gallon at the grocery store.

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Re: Alcohol [Re: mogur]
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Where does bleach comes from?


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Re: Alcohol [Re: AngeloWish]
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AngeloWish said:
Where does bleach comes from?



Here is a quote from a web site:

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Sodium Hypochlorite Bleach
Liquid sodium hypochlorite bleach is the most widely used, although a dry form is also available. Liquid sodium hypochlorite bleach is made by combining chlorine with a solution of sodium hydroxide to produce sodium hypochlorite, sodium chloride and water. The sodium chloride is a by-product of the chemical reaction and remains in the solution as an inactive ingredient. When liquid sodium hypochlorite bleach is added to the wash, sodium hypochlorite reacts with the soil and organic matter



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Re: Alcohol [Re: AngeloWish]
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Mixing cleaning agents is pointless, dangerous, and stupid.
All you really to clean 'surfaces' is bleach and water. 'casings' etc., H202 and water, 'Air' use lysol and the like. Mixing them can create medical problems in the future for you and those who breath that shit and get it on their skin.

Bleach is clorine and water. Clorine is in the halide group. That means it will bond with just about anything. It also means its dangerous if used improperly.

~Cappa.


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Re: Alcohol [Re: cappa]
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cappa said:
Bleach is clorine and water. Clorine is in the halide group.
~Cappa.


It's a bit more complicated than that.


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Re: Alcohol [Re: Delinquentes]
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wow... i've always rinsed my tubs out with a 10% Iso Alc solution,

i sould be doing 10% bleach solution in my spray bottle?


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Re: Alcohol [Re: Oatman2000]
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That is about the sum of it.. 10% bleach in a spray would be fine.

**edit COuld THIS be the reason you are having trouble with contaminants?



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Edited by Delinquentes (02/21/06 02:25 PM)

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Re: Alcohol [Re: Oatman2000]
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oatman2000 said:
wow... i've always rinsed my tubs out with a 10% Iso Alc solution,

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10% of a 70% solution? that will do nothing much at all I'm afraid. Bleach is the way to go, dirt cheap too.

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Re: Alcohol [Re: mogur]
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mogur said:
FGL, bleach acts as a catalyst for the peroxide and will break it down into water and oxygen. While perfectly safe, there is little point in wasting the peroxide. But if you like bubbles, by all means, enjoy them. By itself, H2O2 is a rather poor microbicide compared to chlorine, bromine, ozone, and other commonly used disinfectants.

For effective cleaning, mix 1 part household bleach to 9 parts water. Use to wash all surfaces that are not harmed by the bleach solution. Spray the air with Lysol, Oust, or similar aerosol. Let the alcohol vapor contained in these sprays dissipate before lighting any flames, particularly inside a small space such as a glove-box, or even a tiny bathroom. 70% isopropanol is very effective also for surface sterilization, but be sure to let the alcohol have at least 10 seconds contact time for maximum effect. Flame sterilization is effective for metal tools, but alcohol will suffice by itself, and is easier.

Hydrogen peroxide isn't very effective by itself as a disinfectant. A 3% solution is used on open wounds, 6% to bleach your hair, and 9% to bleach your teeth. Higher concentrations are available for pool maintenance, but why bother? Bleach is a buck a gallon at the grocery store.


:thumbup:


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Re: Alcohol [Re: mogur]
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mogur said:
Spray the air with Lysol, Oust, or similar aerosol.


I recently read something in a veterinary medicine forum about the effectivness of Lysol as a desinfectan in comparison with a bleach solution.

Why not to spray a bleach solution in the air as well? (I cant find Lysol where i live anyway...)


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Re: Alcohol [Re: FGL]
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Because Lysol comes in those cute, pre-pressurized cans :laugh:

I don't think a pump sprayer will aerosolize the solution to a fine enough mist to make it effective.  Bleach will also tend to have an effect on thngs like carpet, drapes and the like because it designed to remove cols and whatnot.  Lysol will generally be safe to the same surrounding items.


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Re: Alcohol [Re: Delinquentes]
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Yes, the bleach will whiten your clothes, carpet etc

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