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InvisibleKlingonFromUranus
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Mutations due to H2O2 (peroxide?)
    #2084283 - 11/08/03 04:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

After accidentally watering my casing w/ a very dilute soln of h2o2 and h20 after the first flush, I noticed the second flush had quite a bit of mutations, including siamese caps (one stem, two caps connected forming a figure 8), twisted gnarled stems, caps opening prematurely on one side, hollow 'scooped out' stems, and caps whose color was lightened where the soln landed. First flush was fine, maybe 1 or 2 mutants, but 2nd has quite a bit. BTW, it's a gulf coast strain.

It's quite possible that peroxide could be the culprit for some of us complaining of a disportionate amount of mutants in a given flush.


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Re: Mutations due to H2O2 (peroxide?) [Re: KlingonFromUranus]
    #2084316 - 11/08/03 04:49 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

well, never happend to me ....
could be possible....(i think)!


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Re: Mutations due to H2O2 (peroxide?) [Re: KlingonFromUranus]
    #2084327 - 11/08/03 04:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It might be peroxide, but I doubt it. Mutagens usually clog the DNA replicating enzymes and if peroxide has these mutagens they would be in quantities that would not cause mutation. Peroxide is mainly an oxidizer and is basically just water and an oxidizer. Keep in mind that high concentrations of peroxide can inhibit growth, however the concentrations you stated wouldn't be sufficient to cause this damage.

If you want a shroom mutagen, try caffeine. If you apply enough caffeine to kill about 90% of the mycelium some of the surviving strands will be severely mutated.


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Re: Mutations due to H2O2 (peroxide?) [Re: Shamanorrhea]
    #2084346 - 11/08/03 05:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Do you use lysol around your shrooms? I have heard that lysol causes mutants.


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Re: Mutations due to H2O2 (peroxide?) [Re: GregHimself]
    #2084350 - 11/08/03 05:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

u right!!!
Lysol may cause "deformed mushies"...


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Re: Mutations due to H2O2 (peroxide?) [Re: diacamomo]
    #2084361 - 11/08/03 05:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

what kind of container are they in....if it is a cheap plastic one the plastic its self an cause this to happen....in fact any patrolioum(sp??) products can... like oil....gas....any of thoes vapors....wd-40...plastic.....packing peanuts....stuff like that


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Confirming my observations.. () [Re: Penroc3]
    #2100061 - 11/13/03 04:15 AM (13 years, 28 days ago)

I, too, noticed that after misting w/ a very dilute solution of h202, I am getting some very weird looking pins. It looks as though some of them are growing sideways, the top looking just like the stem of a regular mushroom, but the head of the pin still underground. One of the pinheads is half white, half normally colored and otherwise looks normal. Although I don?t have any biochemical information to back me up, I?m pretty sure it?s due to the peroxide.. I have been using disinfectants around the casings in small quantities (eg. to spray the air before fanning, clean hands, etc), but my instinct tells me that?s not it.

Also, after reading controversial postings regarding whether or not you can dunk casings, I decided to experiment with one, again using water with a very small amount of already dilute peroxide/water solution, and that one too has a big weird looking clump of mushroom cells growing on it..

It?s still safe to consume these deformed mushies, right? *crossing fingers *


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Re: Confirming my observations.. () [Re: Kooka]
    #2100130 - 11/13/03 04:46 AM (13 years, 28 days ago)

I should add, that I have 2 separate rubbermaids going, one w/ 4 casings of Mazatapec, the other with 4 casings of Mystery Fatass.. these abnormalities seem to be happening in only the box w/ the Mazatapec.. I actually might admit being wrong about the peroxide, as I remember now a freak accident where a little of the disinfectant I?m using sprayed into the Mazatapec rubbermaid.. half of these casings are still growing without any sign of deformity though.


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Re: Confirming my observations.. () [Re: Kooka]
    #2100171 - 11/13/03 05:01 AM (13 years, 27 days ago)

Someone noticed after misting with to heavy content of h202 to h20 -- wherever the droplets landed ( yeah it was a desperate sloppy spraying) it discolored the caps.

Look at the cap to the left -- note the overall color and spots..




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