Fospher said:

You're a good debater with excellent linguistics. That alone puts you farther than most here when trying to prove or debunk a statement. But if you're wrong, why not accept the loss when's it's blatantly obvious instead of either not replying or misleading the topic discussed by responding to quotes taken out of context? That'd be the noble and logical thing to do. If you value this community and aim at respect of your image, then why not strive to support it?

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I personally think that Swami should officially release a job description for the coveted Swami Advisor position, and start interviewing the hundreds of posters who clearly desire the role (as we know the position isn't going to pay well on its own). Hell, maybe they just want the privledge to feel good about themselves by being associated with Swami.

I'm simply curious as to why we all don't provide free consultation to Skorpivo, or Ped. Or myself. I clearly need it far more than Swami does. Let's start with some real issues, like why I neglect paying my bills and create unneccessary, negative financial situations for myself. That would be productive, would it not?


Peace.

Deviate said:

this is not a good counter example. are you saying that tomorrow i couldn't refer back to the discussion you and i had tonight because id have to assume you didn't remember? if swami doesn't remember let him tell me himself.

my post was directed at swami and not you.  i didn't feel the need to substantiate because it because i felt reasonably sure hed remember the discussion i was referring to. if not, thats ok. he can let me know.

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Oh, I'm sorry. I thought that we were here to discuss ideas as a community. I was simply under the impression that if you were solely interested in discussion with Swami, that you would have carried out that discussion through an exchange of private messages. 


Peace.

fireworks_god said:

Deviate said:

this is not a good counter example. are you saying that tomorrow i couldn't refer back to the discussion you and i had tonight because id have to assume you didn't remember? if swami doesn't remember let him tell me himself.

my post was directed at swami and not you.  i didn't feel the need to substantiate because it because i felt reasonably sure hed remember the discussion i was referring to. if not, thats ok. he can let me know.

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Oh, I'm sorry. I thought that we were here to discuss ideas as a community. I was simply under the impression that if you were solely interested in discussion with Swami, that you would have carried out that discussion through an exchange of private messages. 


Peace.

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im shy about sending swami a private message 

blaze2 said:

not EVERYTHING posted in here has to be argued man.  Thats silly.

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  And yes believe it or not you can believe someone on faith(besides the fact Swami has done that to me before liek today when he stopped responding to the intuition post cause i called him out as wrong)  When you get in arguments in real life do you make people stop and show you proof before even considering what they are saying?  i highly doubt it, you can also trust in your own knowledge on any given subject that comes up so that one would not need to "substantiate" every claim one makes(like when he said that about swami i knew what he was talking about without proof, wow its a miracle).  this is normal, and not everything that is argued needs proof to be argued. 

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No, man, I say you are wrong, and I do not need to demonstrate that you are wrong. Does that sound like effective discussion of ideas?

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also one can use his own common sense and yes in many things it is sufficent enough to recognize things that can and cannot be proven by factual proofs.

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So if someone makes a claim that there have been times that Swami has ignored one's rebuttal, is that one of the things that cannot be proven by simply demonstrating the specific threads in which Swami has done so?

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Just because something is not rooted in fact does not exclude it from being argued. 

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What's the point of presenting something that no basis in reality to be argued? What is an observation if it isn't based in fact? I thought your point was that not everything should be argued.


Peace.

Fospher said:

Because he's the epitome of the skeptic, and Im curious to his and others's reasons for support of their personality flaws. When I see no purpose in something I like to see why it still exists.

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Personality flaws? You've interacted with Swami personally? 

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hence I concentrate on other more egoistical issues such as the psyche of the resident debunker of arguments

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Thus you focus on issues that cannot even be addressed through this medium, as you have absolutely no knowledge of one's psyche, as it simply cannot be evidenced here.

Bravo! Will you decide to address my mind next? You must be one of those psychics that I hear run rampant in these parts, instantly knowing the intentions and thoughts of the poster.


Peace.

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Thus you focus on issues that cannot even be addressed through this medium, as you have absolutely no knowledge of one's psyche, as it simply cannot be evidenced here.

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blaze2 said:

the reason we wish Swami was cooler is because he is smarter than just about everyone here.  I mean in a book smart way of course, he could use alot more "street"smarts, he doesnt seem to get people very well either. He is a good person for the most part, and as stated up there somewhere he is great with words and reason(he is not as good with delicacy)

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You clearly act as if you think you are in some form of an enlightened position to even begin hypothesizing about who Swami is and isn't, what he needs and what he is not good at. Your psychic abilities are astounding.

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The reason no one cares about fireworks Skorpivo, or Ped is because you while having some level of intelligence are jackasses(no offense man).

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  weather or not you know it(im pretty sure you do since you do seem to have more street than book smarts)  you come off as simply wanting to piss people off, push peoples buttons, and it is a sport for you.

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Oh is it, now? I see you have taken our discussion of unsubstantiated conjectures quite to heart. Now where is the validity of sprouting baseless observations? Is it any different for me to say "Hey man, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. All you do is ramble on and on without an ability to focus on one specific point, and that most people simply ignore what you have to say because you don't know what the hell you are talking about or where to begin pointing out that you are wrong. You act as if you have the ultimate perception of reality, but you simply come acrossed as being of average intelligence and with an immature attitude"?

You really think you know others intentions, don't you? I mean, to feel confident in making personalisms when the rules do not allow it.  Your psyhic ability remains unparalleled, and your rebellious disregard for rules makes my heart tremble and ache and long for you to satisfy my every want and need.

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  you argue for the sake of arguing not for the sake of learning new things.  You stick your nose in as many places as you can and generally ignore any of the important parts of a post(swami does that too, but at least he has some passion even if you dont agree.)

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hate to be that blunt but does that clear it up?

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Why yes, exalted master, it does! Your observations of reality are extremely well founded. You almost make it sound like you know what you are talking about. I couldn't have paid for better analysis of myself.


Peace.

blaze2 said:

The reason I don't care about Fireworks, Skorpivo or Ped is because they're all highly intelligent and are capable of pointing out errors that the unattentive reader normally would not. I think they're jackasses because they have the nerve to refute my precious assortments of intellectual onanism. They piss me off and push my buttons, and they must enjoy doing it, because they're passionate about Truth, adamant against ignorance, and thrive in evolution and growth. I can't stand their guts, they have the nerve to stick their noses in my own business [read: semi-public posts on a debate-oriented internet forum], and generally address only the salient points of posts [or whatever coherently formed sentences they can manage to find]. Swami does that too, but shucks, I can't just go around hating every one of y'all, now can I? So he's cool in my book, but screw all them other evil, evil people that don't put up with B.S.

hate to be that blunt but does that clear it up?

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Yes, thanks for clearing that up!

fireworks_god said:

blaze2 said:

not EVERYTHING posted in here has to be argued man.  Thats silly.

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That isn't "silly". The rules fully address the fact that everything in here will be argued. If that does not befit you and your perceptions of what should and should not be argued, then I would firmly suggest moving on to other forums, such as Mysticism, Religion, and the Paranormal. Then nothing would have to be argued.

dude people can have a conversation in here occasionally without arguing every point.  if you put it in another forum you cant get this forums population to respond to it, adn i dont only come here to argue for arguing sake i come here to argue with these specific people, and hear these specific peoples opinions.  

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  And yes believe it or not you can believe someone on faith(besides the fact Swami has done that to me before liek today when he stopped responding to the intuition post cause i called him out as wrong)  When you get in arguments in real life do you make people stop and show you proof before even considering what they are saying?  i highly doubt it, you can also trust in your own knowledge on any given subject that comes up so that one would not need to "substantiate" every claim one makes(like when he said that about swami i knew what he was talking about without proof, wow its a miracle).  this is normal, and not everything that is argued needs proof to be argued. 

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No, man, I say you are wrong, and I do not need to demonstrate that you are wrong. Does that sound like effective discussion of ideas?

dude you can argue opinions, because not all opinions are of equal merit like saying i saw an octopus yesterday crawling on the ground is obviously false because we know that it would be dead outside of water, but arguing on the nature of reality now that is philosphy at its best, and correct me if im wrong but that word is in the title to his forum

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also one can use his own common sense and yes in many things it is sufficent enough to recognize things that can and cannot be proven by factual proofs.

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So if someone makes a claim that there have been times that Swami has ignored one's rebuttal, is that one of the things that cannot be proven by simply demonstrating the specific threads in which Swami has done so?

did I say it couldnt be proven?  no man i just said you dont need it to be proven.

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Just because something is not rooted in fact does not exclude it from being argued. 

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What's the point of presenting something that no basis in reality to be argued? What is an observation if it isn't based in fact? I thought your point was that not everything should be argued.

you may not see a point, but you are not the only person in the forum now are you?  The point if you must know is because the human pysche craves to be understood by its brethren.  If you have a crazy idea you might just want to see if others have ever had that same crazy idea or similar ones.  There doesnt have to be a winner for an argument to be productive.  the fact that you cant get past that just shows your Nievity


Peace.

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fireworks_god said:

blaze2 said:

the reason we wish Swami was cooler is because he is smarter than just about everyone here.  I mean in a book smart way of course, he could use alot more "street"smarts, he doesnt seem to get people very well either. He is a good person for the most part, and as stated up there somewhere he is great with words and reason(he is not as good with delicacy)

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You clearly act as if you think you are in some form of an enlightened position to even begin hypothesizing about who Swami is and isn't, what he needs and what he is not good at. Your psychic abilities are astounding.

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The reason no one cares about fireworks Skorpivo, or Ped is because you while having some level of intelligence are jackasses(no offense man).

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  weather or not you know it(im pretty sure you do since you do seem to have more street than book smarts)  you come off as simply wanting to piss people off, push peoples buttons, and it is a sport for you.

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Oh is it, now? I see you have taken our discussion of unsubstantiated conjectures quite to heart. Now where is the validity of sprouting baseless observations? Is it any different for me to say "Hey man, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. All you do is ramble on and on without an ability to focus on one specific point, and that most people simply ignore what you have to say because you don't know what the hell you are talking about or where to begin pointing out that you are wrong. You act as if you have the ultimate perception of reality, but you simply come acrossed as being of average intelligence and with an immature attitude"?

You really think you know others intentions, don't you? I mean, to feel confident in making personalisms when the rules do not allow it.  Your psyhic ability remains unparalleled, and your rebellious disregard for rules makes my heart tremble and ache and long for you to satisfy my every want and need.

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  you argue for the sake of arguing not for the sake of learning new things.  You stick your nose in as many places as you can and generally ignore any of the important parts of a post(swami does that too, but at least he has some passion even if you dont agree.)

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Whoa, man, your analysis of myself is quite profound. I love being told what I do and what I don't do and why I do what I do from someone who clearly knows myself personally and is clearly an enlightened master.

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hate to be that blunt but does that clear it up?

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Why yes, exalted master, it does! Your observations of reality are extremely well founded. You almost make it sound like you know what you are talking about. I couldn't have paid for better analysis of myself.


Peace.

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Fospher said:

I didnt know behaviour had no effect on cognitive thinking and overall persona! That's news to me!

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Did you mean to state that you weren't aware that cognitive thinking and overall persona had no effect on behavior?

So you feel confident that the extremely limited sense of one's behavior that is expressed through a written format is enough of a basis to make massive conclusions as to the personality and psyche of those who are making the posts, eh? I simply figured that you must have been psychic, as I wouldn't personally ever dream of making brazen assumptions concerning the person themself. A.) It is next to impossible, B.) It is agansit the rules.

Shroomism said:

You can bring to bear all your rhetorical skills and articulate arguments in an attempt to expose the idea under discussion as ludicrous, repugnant or whatever - as a matter of fact you are encouraged to do so - but the acceptable method is to direct all your weaponry at the idea being presented, not at the one presenting the idea.

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Swami always puts himself in this authoritative 'teacher' position when conveying the context of a post.

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Should I never judge someone's actions and keep the debates strictly on an objective basis?

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Not according to what has been outlined as the acceptable method to conduct discussion on this forum.

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The only way to grow is to clear your flaws before you build theories on an unstable platform.

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Then utilize this understanding of yours to the fullest and effectively serve to provide this oppurtunity to others by questioning the ideas and their unstable platform. Their growth is within their realm, and it is not as though you can rub their noses in it.


Peace.

Swami said:

Extra kudos go to the mods for allowing the non-stop personalisms.

To all those who stay on topic and actually discuss ideas:

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