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Will I be able to reach ego loss?
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Whats up all, I am a relatively fresh tripper (three times in the last 2 months, all 3 timeswere fantastic).

I just had the most amazing trip thus far on this psychadelic journey this last weekend, and it was the best experience ever. During the climax of the trip, I found myself trying/floating to be one with my room as I sat in my chair and just looked around. I could feel all sorts of things, objects in my room, pulling in and pulsing out, it was really trippy. All the sounds that were occuring in my room, doors creaking and music playing, began to almost speak a language to me, if that makes any sense... Anyways, there was tons more to the trip, but that was the peaking part of my trip.

I, like anyone person in life, have my share of problems (keeping up with school, family drama, bla bla bla). But when I trip, I trip very well, very comfortably, hardly worrying about these "life problems". Mostly I only have problems when I am around people who are not my GOOD friends and I get really uncomfortable. My question is, do I seem like a worthy candidate for ego-loss? Or ego-loss something that is completely unpredictable and can happen to anyone of any mental state, origins, etc?

Anyways, this board has been amazing in prepping me for my journey(s), and I hope to make some good friends here as we all search for that something greater.

Piece,
Matt


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Re: Will I be able to reach ego loss? [Re: Syle]
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ego loss is amazing i hear..but i have yet to experience it

i wouldnt try to force anything IMO, but if you feel like it anyways i would suggest trying to meditate and relax before..dont fight it..and soak it all in

good luck and have fun doing whatever!  :heart::mushroom2::heart:


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Re: Will I be able to reach ego loss? [Re: jsmits]
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i've never had an ego-loss before. Tripped two times, both times wanting to experience one.


It is my belief that if you go looking for it, you wont find it.

Let it come to you, man. It will when you're ready for it.


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Re: Will I be able to reach ego loss? [Re: tactik]
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Just go with the flow of the trip and eventually you will have ego loss. I believe that the possibility lies within everyone to experience ego loss...its just a matter of dose, experience, and set and setting.
Truly a magical experience, and one that, if you allow yourself, will happen.


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Re: Will I be able to reach ego loss? [Re: Veter]
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I'm quite sure i have experienced ego loss once, but it was only for a few very short snapshots before paranoia kicked in and brought me back to my chaotic mental state (i'd just smoked a massive spliff to myself on quite a high dose).

One thing i've gathered from all the posts i've read though is that 9 times out of 10 people are not expecting it when it happens and they get their asses kicked. Even very experienced trippers tend to panic the first time. I know i wasn't prepared for it at the time! I'm still glad that it happened though, i was a serious learning experience and it was worth a few hours of nuttiness for just a quick peek behind the curtain  :tongue2:

Even if it chews you up and spits you out, hopefully you'll take something positive from the journey and it'll leave you much better prepared for next time.


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Re: Will I be able to reach ego loss? [Re: Syle]
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read the psychedelic experience, and trip. but don't get too worked up about experiencing ego death. just trip, and if it happens it will happen, if it doesn't, just enjoy the rest of the trip.

full ego death is a very serious thing, and most likely the first time you experience it you will go through a few hours of absolute hell, fighting with your worst fears and honestly believing that you are going to be completely erased from existence. once you pass the barrier, you've reached nirvana, but you'd better be prepared to surrender completely to the drug and let go of everything.

up the doses gradually and eventually you will start experiencing ego death phenomena. make sure you know your way around psychedelic space and know exactly what ego death is before you start playing with it, because if your ego is getting ripped apart by a drug and you don't want to die, you will get your ass kicked hard.

so just take things slowly, and maybe one day you will experience this wonderful thing. once it happens, it is a bliss that nothing can compare to.


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Re: Will I be able to reach ego loss? [Re: alsey]
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Like everyone said, just relax and go with the trip.  However, it sounds like a lot of people think an ego loss is something that just comes up during a trip, like a random lottery winning.  In my experiences, in order to reach ego loss you are going to have to confront your biggest demons.  You aren't going to all of a sudden start seeing some great visuals and think "oh ok, none of that bs matters".  It's going to be an intense work out, so just know that ego loss experiences are almost always going to start with something that seems entirely darker. 

Oh and after ego loss you'll definitely be able to see that you can be comfortable around people who aren't even GOOD friends :smile:

Good luck!

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Re: Will I be able to reach ego loss? [Re: poke smot!]
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I had 5.5g's of some pretty dank shrooms in Tea. Now i dont know if i got an ego-loss because im not sure what an ego-loss is. I might of, it was a really intense trip. Do you guys think i would of got one at that dose? And can someone explain what an Ego-Loss exactly is?

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Re: Will I be able to reach ego loss? [Re: OzzyGod]
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Ego-less is the loss of your "known" self. Reality slowly fades and you find yourself being more disattatched from the person you "really" are. Personality, prejudice and fear fade... All that remains is you. Egoloss is just a state of mind which the 'former?' mind is absent, and it's not too hard to reach again once you've initially achieved it...

I don't think "ego loss" has to do with how much of something you do, but rather your connection with your inner self and reality. Of course, if you're going through hard times, it may be harder because it will effect your trip. I've only experienced ego loss a few times with chemicals... But mostly I've achieved it through deep meditation. If you really strive for it, don't rely on chemicals so much... Rely on yourself.

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Re: Will I be able to reach ego loss? [Re: lysergicide]
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lysergicide said:
Ego-less is the loss of your "known" self. Reality slowly fades and you find yourself being more disattatched from the person you "really" are. Personality, prejudice and fear fade... All that remains is you. Egoloss is just a state of mind which the 'former?' mind is absent, and it's not too hard to reach again once you've initially achieved it...

I don't think "ego loss" has to do with how much of something you do, but rather your connection with your inner self and reality. Of course, if you're going through hard times, it may be harder because it will effect your trip. I've only experienced ego loss a few times with chemicals... But mostly I've achieved it through deep meditation. If you really strive for it, don't rely on chemicals so much... Rely on yourself.


That is really good advice.  Thanks everyone, I think the mere fact that I am striving to reach ego-loss is a sign that I WON'T reach it any time soon.  I am sort of confused on this whole "letting go" concept.  I never feel like I am fighting my trips (maybe I am too inexperienced?).  I always feel like I am just letting the trip take me and wherever it goes I follow it.  I cried for the first time during a trip this last weekend because I truly realized how much I love my girlfriend.  They were tears of joy rather than grieve.  For a few seconds there I didn't lose my identity or anything like that but I was in a state of pure love and comfort and I felt like I was physically sitting there embracing my girlfriend in this other state of conciousness and for like 5 minutes I was just in pure bliss.  Perhaps I need to up my dose to further progress these feelings?  What happened to me, should that be something I should further explore?  That was on an 8th of mushshrooms (no idea how many grams that is).

Also, does anyone listen to much Tool while tripping balls?    :grin:

If so, I would love to chat with yah!


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Re: Will I be able to reach ego loss? [Re: Syle]
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Syle said:
That is really good advice.  Thanks everyone, I think the mere fact that I am striving to reach ego-loss is a sign that I WON'T reach it any time soon.  I am sort of confused on this whole "letting go" concept.  I never feel like I am fighting my trips (maybe I am too inexperienced?).  I always feel like I am just letting the trip take me and wherever it goes I follow it.  I cried for the first time during a trip this last weekend because I truly realized how much I love my girlfriend.  They were tears of joy rather than grieve.  For a few seconds there I didn't lose my identity or anything like that but I was in a state of pure love and comfort and I felt like I was physically sitting there embracing my girlfriend in this other state of conciousness and for like 5 minutes I was just in pure bliss.  Perhaps I need to up my dose to further progress these feelings?  What happened to me, should that be something I should further explore?  That was on an 8th of mushshrooms (no idea how many grams that is).

Also, does anyone listen to much Tool while tripping balls?    :grin:

If so, I would love to chat with yah!


Heh... just because you want to achive enlightment doesn't mean you won't. You just have to keep striving, keep searching. If you don't keep searching, you won't get there. So keep it up! And I don't think you need to really 'up' your dosage. 'Upping it' won't really help you bring yourself closer to yourself. Put yourself in a good setting: nice calm music, warmth and comformity, with the right mood: the mood to explore. Lay yourself down, close your eyes and start daydreaming about beautiful things... and soon you'll find yourself exploring newer depths of yourself then ever before, and a whole new world will open up to you...

Letting go isn't really what it seems to be. Sometimes I find it hard to explain these things... But to me, letting go is primarily about letting go to emotions or feelings that will not aid you on your quest to enlightment, such as greed, violence, hate, prejudice, assumption, lust. Unfortunately for us, this can take time to let go of things that we grew up knowing... But it takes time. You're definently on the right track. :smile:

P.S. I love Tool. To be honest, Tool's music and lyrics actually brought me here. They challened me to explore new areas of life then I already had. But Tool isn't exactly 'user-friendly' if you want to explore yourself deeper while tripping (at least not for me). I prefer something softer with a deeper meaning that effects me emotionally. Something uplifting, but not in a giddy way.

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Re: Will I be able to reach ego loss? [Re: Syle]
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Syle said:
I am sort of confused on this whole "letting go" concept. I never feel like I am fighting my trips (maybe I am too inexperienced?). I always feel like I am just letting the trip take me and wherever it goes I follow it.


that's good. that's exactly what you want to be doing.

'letting go' means letting go of the things you are afraid to lose. an example: sometimes when people trip, they realise that they don't have full control of their own minds. they are afraid to lose control, so they try to maintain it and fight the trip, rather then letting go of that control and letting the trip take over.

at some point, if you trip enough, you're going to have to confront losing your ego. this is very frightening at first, because effectively you are going to die (ego = self, ego death = death of self). to get round this problem, you need to surrender your ego and let it go, i.e. cease to exist as an individual (temporarily).


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Re: Will I be able to reach ego loss? [Re: alsey]
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Tools pretty dope on muggers

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Re: Will I be able to reach ego loss? [Re: OzzyGod]
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If you are really interested in complete ego loss you might want to invest some time in tracking down a good source of DMT. Three toks of DMT is the only way I have been able to achieve complete ego loss, though I came close on my second time triping (5gs of psilocybe).

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