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OfflineAntar
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The Art of Ego Loss.
    #2766918 - 06/05/04 09:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I came across this manual online. It is based on the Tibetan Book of the dead and written by Timothy Leary. Just one read through is enough to enlighten you and REALY enhance a trip. It also offers some really great tips that will prevent you from "freaking out" while tripping. I have read the whole thing two times and found the information to be priceless.

A manual based on the Tibetan Book of the Dead By Timothy Leary...

Enjoy.


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Re: The Art of Ego Loss. [Re: Antar]
    #2766990 - 06/05/04 09:45 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

there were qoutes from this in an earlier post. thanks for finding the whole thing, 5 to you.


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Re: The Art of Ego Loss. [Re: Antar]
    #2767020 - 06/05/04 09:52 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

this will provide an interesting read


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Re: The Art of Ego Loss. [Re: Antar]
    #2767068 - 06/05/04 10:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

you have done a service to the community


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Re: The Art of Ego Loss. [Re: Galvie_Flu]
    #2771972 - 06/07/04 04:26 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

If any of the tips in this manual have helped you lose the almighty ego it would be awesome if you could post your experience.


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Re: The Art of Ego Loss. [Re: Antar]
    #2772999 - 06/07/04 10:27 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I have never eaten any thing passed 3 grams and i hear about 5g and up you lose your ego....so this is the shit that happens to you ppl?
This is crazy, scary, and awesome at the same time. I want to try it out.


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Re: The Art of Ego Loss. [Re: nickelpenny]
    #2773018 - 06/07/04 10:33 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

and yes please do post an experience following the manual...If you have tryed it.


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Re: The Art of Ego Loss. [Re: Antar]
    #2773082 - 06/07/04 10:56 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'm going to try for ego loss in a week or two and should I expect one or more of those symptoms listed below? Has anybody experienced any of these?

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"If the person fails to recognize and accept the onset of ego loss, he may
complain of strange bodily symptoms. This shows that he has not
reached a liberated state. Then the guide or friend should explain the
symptoms as indicating the onset of ego loss.

"Here is a list of commonly reported physical sensations:

"1. Bodily pressure, which the Tibetans call earth-sinking-into-water;
2. Clammy coldness, followed by feverish heat, which the Tibetans call
water-sinking-into-fire; 3. Body disintegrating or blown to atoms,
called fire-sinking-into-air; 4. Pressure on head and ears, which
Americans call rocket-launching-into-space; 5. Tingling in
extremities; 6. Feelings of body melting or flowing as if wax; 7.
Nausea; 8. Trembling or shaking, beginning in pelvic regions and
spreading up torso."


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Re: The Art of Ego Loss. [Re: Letto]
    #2773874 - 06/08/04 04:38 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Wow
To think that what I have discovered is already been....wait, I think that was my ego talking there.....damn, and I thought for sure I had lost it many years ago....guess i'll have to make another batch of honey tea.

Damn, look at all the I's in this short message...better wait for a rainy day, maybe I can wash the ego away.


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Re: The Art of Ego Loss. [Re: Letto]
    #2773897 - 06/08/04 05:29 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I've had these 2 symptoms on an acid trip:

3. Body disintegrating or blown to atoms,
called fire-sinking-into-air;
4. Pressure on head and ears, which
Americans call rocket-launching-into-space

It was more like my head being ripped apart from the inside, extremely terrifying, but this book has some excellent tips for getting past the fear and getting to the destination.


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Re: The Art of Ego Loss. [Re: Letto]
    #2776428 - 06/09/04 01:05 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

What kinda BS is this?  That's not ego-loss.  Ego loss is when the you that is -you- starts unraveling, spreading out.  When you cannot tell where the you that is you ends and everything else begins -- where the you-that-is-not-you that is everything begins -- when you realize that, as Bill Hicks put it, "we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, life is only a dream, and we are the imaginations of ourselves" ... then you're hitting ego-loss.

If what I just wrote doesn't make much sense, you probably haven't hit ego-loss.  :wink:


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Re: The Art of Ego Loss. [Re: Sev]
    #2776482 - 06/09/04 01:17 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Sev said:
What kinda BS is this? That's not ego-loss.




Quote:

Letto said:
"If the person fails to recognize and accept the onset of ego loss, he may
complain of strange bodily symptoms. This shows that he has not
reached a liberated state."




I was wondering if anybody had experienced those symptoms before.


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Re: The Art of Ego Loss. [Re: Letto]
    #2777580 - 06/09/04 12:05 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

> I was wondering if anybody had experienced those symptoms before.

I have had some odd ones while meditating... I often get visuals as my mind calms... the wall will get brighter, then darker, then brighter, etc... a bit of breathing and pattern morphing, but not much... I don't really notice them much anymore.

I used to have a lot of problems while sitting with breathing... I would "forget to breath", suddenly realizing that I wasn't breathing which would cause me to snap back to reality gasping for breath.

Of those listed, the only ones I have had are the tingling feeling and the trembling or shaking.


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Re: The Art of Ego Loss. [Re: Letto]
    #2777582 - 06/09/04 12:06 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

1. Bodily pressure, which the Tibetans call earth-sinking-into-water;
2. Clammy coldness, followed by feverish heat, which the Tibetans call
water-sinking-into-fire; 3. Body disintegrating or blown to atoms,
called fire-sinking-into-air; 4. Pressure on head and ears, which
Americans call rocket-launching-into-space; 5. Tingling in
extremities; 6. Feelings of body melting or flowing as if wax; 7.
Nausea; 8. Trembling or shaking, beginning in pelvic regions and
spreading up torso."

I've experienced all those symptoms before! and most of the other ones in book as well.


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Re: The Art of Ego Loss. [Re: Fungilicious]
    #2778424 - 06/09/04 05:56 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Shit, I've experienced all of those symptoms before when stone-cold sober. :wink:

But then, I've always had a strong feeling that I was a strange one...


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Re: The Art of Ego Loss. [Re: Sev]
    #2778469 - 06/09/04 06:09 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

1. Bodily pressure, which the Tibetans call earth-sinking-into-water;
2. Clammy coldness, followed by feverish heat, which the Tibetans call
water-sinking-into-fire; 3. Body disintegrating or blown to atoms,
called fire-sinking-into-air; 4. Pressure on head and ears, which
Americans call rocket-launching-into-space; 5. Tingling in
extremities; 6. Feelings of body melting or flowing as if wax; 7.
Nausea; 8. Trembling or shaking, beginning in pelvic regions and
spreading up torso."


All of the things are signs that the ego loss is CLOSE not that it is actually happening. When you attain the "clear light" there is no concept of hot/cold near/far self/others. All of these things are gone and all contact with what we call reality stops.


Edited by Antar (06/09/04 06:16 PM)


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Re: The Art of Ego Loss. [Re: Antar]
    #2778504 - 06/09/04 06:24 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

This is the best way to explain it

"Liberation is the nervous system devoid of mental-conceptual activity.
[Realization of the Voidness, the Unbecome, the Unborn, the Unmade,
the Unformed, implies Buddhahood, Perfect Enlightenment - the state of
the divine mind of the Buddha. It may be helpful to remember that this
ancient doctrine is not in conflict with modern physics. The
theoretical physicist and cosmologist, George Gamow, presented in 1950
a viewpoint which is close to the phenomenological experience
described by the Tibetan lamas.

If we imagine history running back in time, we inevitably come to the
epoch of the "big squeeze" with all the galaxies, stars, atoms and
atomic nuclei squeezed, so to speak, to a pulp. During that early
stage of evolution, matter must have been dissociated into its
elementary components. . . . We call this primordial mixture ylem.

At this first point in the evolution of the present cycle, according
to this first-rank physicist, there existed only the Unbecome, the
Unborn, the Unformed. And this, according to astrophysicists, is the
way it will end; the silent unity of the Unformed. The Tibetan
Buddhists suggest that the uncluttered intellect can experience what
astrophysics confirms. The Buddha Vairochana, the Dhyani Buddha of the
Center, Manifester of Phenomena, is the highest path to enlightenment.
As the source of all organic life, in him all things visible and
invisible have their consummation and absorption. He is associated
with the Central Realm of the Densely-Packed, i.e., the seed of all
universal forces and things are densely packed together. This
remarkable convergence of modern astrophysics and ancient lamaism
demands no complicated explanation. The cosmological awareness- and
awareness of every other natural process- is there in the cortex. You
can confirm this preconceptual mystical knowledge by empirical
observation and measurement, but it's all there inside your skull.
Your neurons "know" because they are linked directly to the process,
are part of it.] The mind in its conditioned state, that is to say,
when limited to words and ego games, is continuously in thought-
formation activity. The nervous system in a state of quiescence,
alert, awake but not active is comparable to what Buddhists call the
highest state of dhyana (deep meditation) when still united to a human
body. The conscious recognition of the Clear Light induces an ecstatic
condition of consciousness such as saints and mystics of the West have
called illumination."


Edited by Antar (06/09/04 06:24 PM)


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