Here's my delima: I have some ...strange pot. I got a little of it for free and have been using it as I watch my little army of mushrooms rise to their full potential. They'll be ready soon. :c) Well, the first time I smoked this stuff, it seemed a little odd to me. I messed with me a little. I noticed that my senses were getting jumbled up. More than usual, even for good pot. I described it to myself this morning as "kind of like when you know a mushroom/lsd trip has just begun, and you're like.. what?...what's going on here?" It was strange to me to have these strong psychedelic feelings from marijuana. The thought that it was laced with something crossed my mind, but was quickly dismissed. I thought "Well marijuana has very mild psychedelic/hallucinogenic effects. Maybe they're just somehow stronger in this particular strain. Well earlier tonight...probably about 1AM me, my roommate, and a friend (we'll call him CD) smoked a couple bowls of it. My roommate and I have been smoking for years. It's a part of our lives. Potheads I guess...Chilled out, quiet, philisophical thinkers. Our friend has only recently found a respect for the green weed. Smoked maybe 10 times in his life. My roommate had a few hits, then got into a videogame and backed out. CD and I finished two more bowls. I was stoned, and I layed back with my guitar, closed my eyes, and took a very visual musical journey. Nothing too serious. Nothing too different, other than my senses being mixed up and confused. Then my eyes flew open when CD yelled; "oooohh...ooh guys. GUYS. WHAT IS THIS!?" "What is what man?" "I feel ...odd. I feel ..well something's..odd" We laughed about it for a few minutes, and then he freaked out. He couldnt understand what was going on. I laughed a little, cause I just thought he was completely stoned and didnt know how to handle it. Then he looked at me and I stopped. I saw a look in his eye that told me he was serious. That something was REALLY different. I calmed him down, then he kept talking and acting just like a tripper. I thought "wow he must be really really high." Then he started saying stuff about deja-vu, no time, and seeing the past, present, and future all at once. These were things this guy had never thought about, and laughed at me when I had tried to explain this stuff to him before. He said some things he could never have guessed at. No way to make it up... He was perfectly explaining ego-loss, time-loss, remote veiwing, astral projection. He once said; "hey guys! Did you know that our reality is really fake? An illusion? We're really just in this big ...space...thing..empty...but everything. We make these things happen. Time isnt real. It is just a way for us to organize things. EVERYTHING is right now. Forever is right here." Now tell me that doesnt sound like a trip? Is it possible that it was somehow laced with lsd or something? Will smoking it break it down though? How could this happen? It was real though... I mean I didnt even come close to that. I have smoked pounds and pounds more than him so my tolerance is definately higher, but if it was laced with something I definately would have known it too right?
Ego loss can also, I know, be acheived through completely sobre meditation... so could it be that he just had the extra kick to reach it by being that high? ...but he didnt even try...he was playing a game when it started... He has never even read about or heard about ego loss or anything... Im confused. What's your opinion?
-------------------- "There are days of doubt, more often lonely nights, when even the devout wonder if they are heirs to a greater kingdom than this earth and if they will know mercy -- or if instead they are only animals like any other, with no inheritance except the wind and the dark." "You will never understand what reality truly is until you first decide to open your eyes to see if it exists." -Me "Never take any human word for devine fact. Truth comes only from truth itself. Question everything. Challenge reality itself. Search for answers with new and untainted perspectives. Submit your experiences and your ego and you will be enlightened to what is beyond our understanding of what is." -Me
Edited by The_Oracle (03/18/06 02:04 AM)
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Its very possible to have a very hallucinitory experience when using MJ.
For some of the more uniquely sensative individuals, its sort of like, a little bit more common.
Back in the day I had never read any trippy literature, I still was able to freak out my stoned friends by partaking in a sort of inhuman, inspired capasity to speak about it. To the point where all kinds of theories just came out without any contrived scientific agenda. I still can do that at will after many more trips, without tripping. I have some friends that question why I speak with such a vocabulary and "so articulately". I dont know why, and it pisses me off(kidding). They will often tell me to stop talking about it because it genuinely freaks them out a little bit. Its not only good friends either. I think your friend is "special".
Edited by stemmer (03/18/06 02:25 AM)
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I'm about the same boat as you. Way before I ever discovered psychedelic drugs, transcendental meditation, or astral projection I already understood alot of these ego-loss-obtained theories that I hadn't even heard of yet. My friends all thought I was insane...or evil...(other friends. Church) I have questioned everything my whole life. From the time I was 4 or so I was taking apart alarm clocks, vcr's, and other household items just to see how they worked: how they were put together. (didn't please my parents) At a young age, I began to question what reality is. . As soon as I learned about brainwaves that is. -> "If all 5 senses are acknowledged only by impulses in the brain that send a message, how do I know if this is REAL? The mind is just telling us what is "real" basically. Those little impulses in the brain could technically be duplicated, and my whole reality might just be some elaborate dream." I then saw the Matrix and was like "Yeah! Thats what I've been thinking!" Then came astral projection. Just confirmed my theories and added more to them. Pot helped.. Mushrooms finally destroyed my ego and showed me the truth. Exactly what I've been thinking about all these years.
So I definitely can comprehend and feel the "reality" of ego-loss driven theories, even without an experience, but I have never had complete and involuntary ego-loss strictly from marijuana. I have, however, obtained it through meditation and a lot of pot.
I think he is "special". I wish I had his tolerance. I am happy for him too...he used to be the kind of guy to walk in the door while I'm kicking back after work to a bowl and say; "stoner... pothead." You know, sarcastic "I'm above you" remarks. This experience has 180'd his attitude towards it. He said he has never questioned these things. Never thought twice about what reality is. Never thought "beyond". Then all of a sudden, BAM! He sees God in 2 bowls.
-------------------- "There are days of doubt, more often lonely nights, when even the devout wonder if they are heirs to a greater kingdom than this earth and if they will know mercy -- or if instead they are only animals like any other, with no inheritance except the wind and the dark." "You will never understand what reality truly is until you first decide to open your eyes to see if it exists." -Me "Never take any human word for devine fact. Truth comes only from truth itself. Question everything. Challenge reality itself. Search for answers with new and untainted perspectives. Submit your experiences and your ego and you will be enlightened to what is beyond our understanding of what is." -Me
Edited by The_Oracle (03/19/06 01:24 AM)
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