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Fragging in Iraq
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For the first time in the Iraq conflict, a US soldier is facing court martial, charged with murdering superior officers - an echo of the notorious "fraggings" of the Vietnam War.

A military tribunal recommended yesterday that Staff Sergeant Alberto Martinez, 37, be tried and face a possible death sentence if convicted of killing two officers. He may also be charged with the "use of a weapon of mass destruction" against a US citizen abroad.

Captain Philip Esposito and Lieutenant Louis Allen died in an explosion at a military base in Tikrit. It was thought at first that an insurgent rocket was responsible for the attack on one of Saddam Hussein's palaces which had been taken over by the US military. But army investigators have accused Staff Sgt Martinez of using mines and grenades to carry out the blast.

The same type of fragmentation grenades were used in the latter stages of the Vietnam War when soldiers - resentful at being sent to an unpopular war - targeted those above them. The inevitable analogy is the one the US authorities are desperate to avoid.

In many cases, the attacks in Vietnam were mounted by older non-commissioned officers against younger officers. In just two years, between 1969 and 1971, the Army recorded 600 counts of "fragging" which led to 82 deaths and 651 injuries.

Discontent among US servicemen and their British allies about the Iraq conflict has grown hugely since President George Bush officially declared a victorious conclusion to the war.

The "Vietnam syndrome" is now openly talked about in Iraq but senior officers are determined that "fragging" will not enter the lexicon of this conflict.


http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article324042.ece

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Re: Fragging in Iraq [Re: Alex213]
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The poor soldiers couldn't help but murder their superiors. How touching.


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Re: Fragging in Iraq [Re: Alex213]
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He may also be charged with the "use of a weapon of mass destruction" against a US citizen abroad.



Since when was a grenade of even a land mine a "weapon of mass destruction"?

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Re: Fragging in Iraq [Re: psilomonkey]
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Since when was a grenade of even a land mine a "weapon of mass destruction"?



And why isnt it one if used against the Enemy?


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Re: Fragging in Iraq [Re: psilomonkey]
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> Since when was a grenade of even a land mine a "weapon of mass destruction"?

Ever since the penalty for using a WMD increased over that of using a simple grenade or mine. If they use the WMD charge, they are opening a nasty can of worms. How long before somebody claims the us is breaking treaties by using WMDs in battle... things like hand gernades or land mines...

(Oh, and there are nuclear land mines which really are WMDs... obviously these are not what were used in this instance.)


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Re: Fragging in Iraq [Re: Alex213]
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The Tikrit case is the second case during the Iraq war in which a U.S. soldier has been charged with killing his comrades.

In April, a sergeant in the Army's 101st Airborne Division, Hasan Akbar, was convicted of murder and attempted murder for a grenade and rifle attack that killed two officers and wounded 14 soldiers in Kuwait in 2003 during the opening days of the war.

Akbar, 34, a Muslim, told investigators he staged the attack because he was upset that American troops would kill fellow Muslims. He was condemned to death.


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