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OfflineAzmodeus
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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1611052 - 06/05/03 10:40 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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Well, who cares now, hm? Bush is in, Saddam is out, we have more oil, and you liberals ***Edited by Rono*** are in the very quiet, very ignored, minority :-) Nah nah! 




You must have been head of the debating team...
But im sure bush feels the same way. :smirk:


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: Rono]
    #1611058 - 06/05/03 10:42 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Well, who cares now, hm? Bush is in, Saddam is out, we have more oil, and you liberals ***Edited by Rono*** are in the very quiet, very ignored, minority :-) Nah nah!


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Was that a flame?...because I'm sure you know that we have very strict rules about flaming in this forum...and I know for a fact that you have already been warned.  Care to save me the effort and edit that before I have to issue a temporary ban?




Since it says edited by rono does that mean someones taken a little holiday? :smile:....one can only hope!


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1611093 - 06/05/03 10:58 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Yes..."someone" is taking a forced "time out" to work on their social skills...


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OfflineAzmodeus
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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: Rono]
    #1611211 - 06/05/03 11:52 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

:grin: :grin: :grin:

Well i think i speak for all, if not most of us when i say THANK YOU!!!....you know, cus we all need to... um....follow the rulz.....


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: Rono]
    #1612834 - 06/05/03 07:43 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Not that it matters, he would have completely ignored my post which more than aptly demonstrated that his pathetic attempt at political commentary managed to say, logically speaking, absolutely nothing.

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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: Xlea321]
    #1622542 - 06/09/03 10:42 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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Incidentally if you want WMD to fall into terrorists hands I can't think of a more effective way than invading a country and the chaos and lawlessness that follows.


I'm sure people had a lot of fun looting the nuclear plants waste barrels full on low-erinched uranium.


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: angryshroom]
    #1622544 - 06/09/03 10:42 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Our Allies and non-hostile large countries such as china and russia can have them too.


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1622611 - 06/09/03 11:03 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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Also, my post was not illogical at all. If no WMD's = No reason for war, the WMD's = a reason for war? That doesn't contradict itself at all.

think about that for a minute... the anti-war people aren't the ones who brought up WMD. they're asking "where are the weapons" now, NOT because it was THEIR justification for going to war but because it was BUSH's main reason for war. they're just trying to hold HIM to HIS own words. get it?

I think that the US is able to have nuclear weapons because we have the morality to use them properly.

you need help. I'm serious here. seek some professional help, you might have a tumor or something... chemical imbalance maybe... and it wouldn't hurt to study some history.



Obviously Bush needs to get a blowjob for right wingers to be mad about him lying.


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: Rono]
    #1622636 - 06/09/03 11:11 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes..."someone" is taking a forced "time out" to work on their social skills...


Why does anyone even reply to him?


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: uno]
    #1623824 - 06/10/03 02:08 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Well its like a bad habit....or an itch you cant quite scratch.....we just keep doint it. :smirk:

....and fuck YOUR avatar! :shocked: :mad: :grin:


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1674635 - 06/30/03 05:17 PM (21 years, 26 days ago)


The link


AFTER THE WAR

The Politics of Mass Destruction
Of course Iraq had forbidden weapons.

BY RICHARD SPERTZEL
Sunday, June 29, 2003 12:01 a.m. EDT

Even as evidence is uncovered that Saddam Hussein was planning to revive his nuclear-weapons program at the earliest possible date, politicians and pundits alike lament the failure of coalition forces to find a "smoking gun." Despite the recent discovery of plans and parts for a uranium-enrichment centrifuge, some presidential candidates have accused the Bush administration of lying about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction to justify the war with Iraq.

Such assertions ignore all that has been learned and has transpired during the past 12-plus years. As I've said time and again, expecting any inspection regime to find a massive cache of WMDs is a lesson in self-delusion. Such folly can only bring cheer to those who opposed the war in the first place and to those who simply oppose the Bush administration.

Recall that during the first Gulf War, Iraq stored its biological-agent-filled munitions in pits dug in the sand or in abandoned railroad tunnels. Such sites are not easily found. Good intelligence emanating from those Iraqi personnel responsible for the deployment, protection and control of such storage sites will be required. Indeed, it was an Iraqi scientist who last week led coalition forces to the site where the uranium-enrichment equipment was buried. But many WMD personnel were part of the Special Security Organization under Saddam's younger son, Qusay. The information is not likely to be obtained easily.





Some pundits question, if Iraq had WMDs, why did it not use them? Iraq learned from the first Gulf War that coalition forces headed by the U.S. could advance very rapidly. Iraq also indicated in testimony to the U.N. Special Commission, or Unscom, that biological weapons would have little effect in stopping an advancing military force. Rather, their interest was to use biological weapons to intimidate their neighbors and cause them to "see things Iraq's way." Thus its failure to use biological WMDs should not be a surprise to anyone. The failure to use chemical WMDs is also not surprising considering the apparent confusion within the Iraqi command structure during the race to Baghdad.
Then, why have such weapons not been found? The answer may lie in the training and experience of the inspectors. The initial team looking for WMDs in Iraq was more reminiscent of site exploiters than inspectors. True, if they found a bomb or missile warhead, they were capable of further exploitation of the find to determine its contents. But they apparently did not have testing instruments capable of detecting trace amounts of biological-weapons agents.

The next iteration of the coalition inspectors was supposed to have a number of inspectors that had extensive experience in Iraq and has been so misrepresented in the media. I was asked in February to propose a list of Unscom experienced biological inspectors (a so-called A team) that had multiple inspection trips to Iraq. These were to be from the U.S., the U.K. and Australia. In March, after the concept was approved, I was asked to contact those on my list to assure they were willing and able to devote the time. All but one agreed to the deployment. None of the individuals on that list ever made it to Iraq.

A few weeks ago David Albright, writing in the Washington Post, stated that he had been contacted by several Iraqi nuclear scientists who asserted that they were afraid to talk to the coalition inspectors because of the way they were being treated by the inspectors--interrogation, threats, etc., rather than with any degree of respect. The interviewing of Iraqi scientists is where extensive experience would have been most valuable. One doesn't need to like what was done or the individual scientist to treat them with respect. Experienced inspectors knew this. Furthermore, experienced inspectors knew what, when, and how to pursue a subject that is unlikely to occur to a neophyte.

There is nothing that the U.S. could threaten the Iraqi scientists with that could approach what they've endured these past 30 to 40 years. A scientist I remain in contact with had been imprisoned by Iraq for 17 months in the 1990s. In early March this year, with tensions building, he was again arrested for fear he would disclose information Iraq did not want disclosed.





It is encouraging that the third and current iteration under the CIA is headed by David Kay, which may account for the recent breakthrough in uncovering the uranium-enrichment plans. In regard to other WMDs, Iraq imported or retained over the last several years key pieces of equipment that could not readily be carried off by looters. If located, extensive intrusive sampling with the right test system might tell wonders about Iraq's biological-weapons programs.
Let there be no doubt, Iraq retained an active biological-weapons program. Unscom had adequate evidence of such. In 1998, presented with the evidence, the leading biological-weapons experts from the U.S., U.K., Russia, France, Sweden, Australia, Germany, Switzerland, Ukraine, Romania and Canada all agreed with the Unscom findings and observations. Incredibly, U.S. and British politicians with little or no knowledge of biological weapons and biological warfare are choosing to believe otherwise.

Mr. Spertzel was head of the biological-weapons section of Unscom from 1994-99.


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