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InvisibleSwami
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Cattle Mutilations
    #485994 - 12/10/01 03:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

We might as well cycle thorugh all of the popular mythology of the last 30 years.


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Re: Cattle Mutilations [Re: Swami]
    #486054 - 12/10/01 03:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Swami is funny. make fun of shroomism at every bend. Tao thinks swami should come up with own ideas instead of poking fun at other


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Re: Cattle Mutilations [Re: Tao_Shin_Li]
    #486089 - 12/10/01 04:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Swami is funny. make fun of shroomism at every bend.

My Dear Tao:

Glad you find humor in my writings. BTW, what school of logic do you adhere to? How is shroomism related to cattle mutilations? Or do you also attribute things to me that I never said? If this is in regards to another thread then it should be posted there. If not, shroomism might not appreciate you associating him with CMs.

Tao thinks swami should come up with own ideas...
That is a good suggestion. You should make the same suggestion to all the others that quote from popular works of fiction, instead of presenting original thoughts. Otherwise, the fact that you singled me out might be misconstrued that you are picking on me.

FYI poking holes in someone's argument is not making fun of them. If I point out 1+1 = 3 is false, should one take that as a personal assault? If someone says 1+1 = cherry pie, then it is so ridiculous that I may resort to a flippant reply as the poster is already trying to insult his audience and is thus fair game.

I present opposing views because I care about my fellow shroomerites and want to help them wade through the swamp of irrationality presented here.


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Re: Cattle Mutilations [Re: Swami]
    #486116 - 12/10/01 04:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Tao think shroomism make very rational sense in crop circle thread. He gives many sources and backs up all claims with explenation. how can you say 1+1=3 is the same as this? Tao adheres to logic of truth. and in case like this shroomism is speaking truth. I only say you poke fun because you make seperate thread to mock, same as cartoon/human relations and others. you say you are helping others wade through irrationality, but I read crop circle thread and say shroomsim making more rational sense than you.


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Re: Cattle Mutilations [Re: Tao_Shin_Li]
    #486142 - 12/10/01 05:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

How is cattle mutilation any less rediculous than crop circles?


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Re: Cattle Mutilations [Re: Swami]
    #486231 - 12/10/01 06:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't see a point with this thread you made except to displace your disdain. Thought, I don't see anything wrong with it. It's a natural reaction.

It's great you're the epitemologist for every irrational ideas, theories, and beliefs popping into this SP forum. It's not that hard to "poke" holes in the first place. Anybody with an iota of logic could do it. The only difference is the angle of approach:

1. Axiom of doubt
2. Axiom of Inquisitiveness

That's the usual camps I see falling in line with discussions.

Oh yeah, 1+1 = cherry pie is true.. it has '2' words.. hehe Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

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Re: Cattle Mutilations [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
    #486497 - 12/10/01 10:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Do you enjoy referring to yourself in third person? its pretty cool...


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Re: Cattle Mutilations [Re: spreadhead]
    #486512 - 12/10/01 10:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Perhaps in the cattles death throes, they fall on their side and thrash, creating a crop circle?

Just a theory...


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Re: Cattle Mutilations [Re: Swami]
    #486528 - 12/10/01 10:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I was thinking the same thing...


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Re: Cattle Mutilations [Re: ]
    #486639 - 12/10/01 11:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

/me snickers at this thread


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Re: Cattle Mutilations [Re: Anonymous]
    #486798 - 12/11/01 02:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

ITS THE SNAKES THEY COME FROM OUTER SPACE AND ATTACK COWS WITH THE INTENT OF MAKING HUMANS MAD FROM MAD COW DISEASE!!!! DONT TRUST RONALD MCDONALD, HES ONE OF *THEM*


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Re: Cattle Mutilations [Re: Swami]
    #486921 - 12/11/01 04:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Cattle mutilations have been a subject we have not been able to talk about until quite recently, as to do so would have involved actively engaging those in the Service-to-Self, a task we do not at present have the resources for as we are engaged in higher priority tasks. This was a Service-to-Self scam we anticipated would fail, as fail it has. Humans were only mildly discomfited by mutilations, and understood they were unlikely to become targets. Where the alien visitors in the Service-to-Self who were perpetrating the mutilations have walked away from this activity, it will still continue for some time due to the interest of their human counterparts. This was a joint alien-human activity, though the motives of the participants differed.



The aliens involved wished to instill intense fear and a sense of hopelessness in the human society, so that they would be inclined to be self-focused from their fearful state and lean toward the Service-to-Self orientation. Thus they targeted the genitals and other sensitive and protected organs such as eyes and mouth and the anal opening.

The message was also disseminated that mutilations were done while the animal was alive, tortured not only by the pain but by the knowledge of what was being mutilated. Human contactees who gave The Call to the Service-to-Self were at times given such a show, and returned with this story to tell. However, in spite of years and even decades of mutilations, the impact has been scarcely more than a curiosity.

Humans did not take the implied threat to themselves seriously, as it was clear that if they could be a target then human mutilations would be occurring. The pattern was not one where humans entered into the mutilation cycle, in spite of rumors that one or two humans might have been so mutilated. The fact that thousands of animals were mutilated stood out as a disproportionate pattern.

The humans involved are part of what is loosely called the New World Order, and it is they who harass contactees and UFOlogists with their black helicopters, not any arm of the government. These individuals were interested in keeping human society at arms length from aliens, in keeping with the scare tactics used in the movie ID4. Their motives were to keep human society moving in its present tracks, under the control of the present establishment.

Human participants were alerted prior to planned mutilations by being the planners. It was they who selected and marked the cattle, and having thus tagged the target they were in a position to be alerted when the mutilation began. No actual communication flowed between the humans involved and the aliens, as mutilations at first began as a human activity and to the surprise of the human perpetrators, aliens began doing the mutilations before they could arrive on the scene. Not ones to turn down a favor, especially as they were trying to foist the impression on human society that aliens could not be trusted, they just went along.


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Re: Cattle Mutilations [Re: Silent_One]
    #486930 - 12/11/01 04:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Cattle Mutilation, from Paranormal.About.COM

Cattle Mutilation Phenomena refers to thousands of cases in North America where cattle have been found mutilated under abnormal circumstances. The cows are found dead (although the cause of death is undetermined), exsanguinated (all their blood has been removed), and have had certain organs surgically removed from their bodies. Often their reproductive and rectal organs have been removed. Abnormally high radiation levels have been detected near the dead animals when they are found, and scavengers will not touch the carcass. There are no footprints leading to or from the cows. There is evidence (clamp marks on the animals' legs) that the cattle were taken from their habitats and mutilated elsewhere. Sightings of UFOs and strange, unmarked, black helicopters coincide with most cattle mutilation cases.

The phenomena began in the Fall of 1973, when farmers in Minnesota and Kansas reported mutilated cattle. The circumstances surrounding the deaths were different then anything the local police had ever investigated. At this time, the blame for the mutilations was placed on Satanic cults. Soon, reports of cattle mutilations spread throughout the Midwest United States and even into Canada. Paranoia and speculation about the deaths ran rampant. By the late 1970s, four main theories about the mutilation cases had emerged:

The blame was to be placed on Satanic cults and ritual sacrifices.
The deaths were a result of intelligence agency secret projects involving chemical weapons testing.
Mass hysteria had blown simple cow deaths out of proportion.
Extraterrestrial experiments were to blame.
Police agencies in Alberta, Idaho, Montana, and Iowa did link some mutilation cases to satanic cults. However, police investigating this theory found little supporting evidence and often ran into dead ends.

Evidence has been found to support this theory. Black, unmarked, helicopters with tinted windows and powerful searchlights are often seen during a cattle mutilation wave. Evidence at the scene of a mutilation suggest that the cattle were taken elsewhere by air, mutilated, and then dropped back near to where they were taken. A number of mutilations revealed that the cows may have died from a simple cattle virus, but nothing experimental. It is very unlikely that all the mutilations were simple deaths blown out of proportion. There is much evidence to support the fact that these incidents were indeed extraordinary. The U.S. Government has expended thousands of dollars to investigation agencies to look into this phenomena. The fourth hypothesis is very interesting and has much supporting evidence. UFOs are usually seen in the vicinity of cattle mutilations, and cattle are deathly afraid of them (i.e. they have been noted as stampeding and bellowing when in the presence of a UFO). Cattle mutilations often occur in UFO Hotspots such as Northern New Mexico, and near Area 51, Nevada. Two separate alien abductees have reported, under regressive hypnosis, seeing cattle taken into the alien craft and mutilated.

The cattle mutilation phenomena claimed the lives of over 10,000 head of cattle by 1979. Areas such as New Mexico had been especially 'hit' hard. It is a phenomena that has haunted and terrified ranchers, investigators, and many others all over North America. The purpose of these grotesque and strange occurrences still remains a mystery. Colorado, Wyoming, Texas, Alabama, Puerto Rico, Canada, and as far away as South America, have been home to such mutilations. Speculation that it is the work of secret US government groups or (paramilitary or spy) Satanic cults therefore seem too far fetched. Surely the US government would have their own stock of cows for an experiment of this nature. Satanic cults would need to have enormous resources to carry out this type of operation throughout the world. Ranchers have witnessed strange, unmarked black helicopters fly over their herds where they will later find mutilated cattle. Some have even witnessed strange lights in the night sky previous to finding bodies. There are those who believe that the mutilations are occurring as a random radiation test by extraterrestrial visitors whose purpose is to safeguard humanity against nuclear annihilation.

Rancher C. E. Potts found one of his prize bulls alongside of the road one summer afternoon in 1990 ,late July. "We were passing down this road, and there was a thunderstorm a coming up behind us. We smelled this animal as we come by. We came back to check on it, and found it was mutilated. We examined it and its sexual organs was taken out. Its eyes were taken out, and its eyelashes were taken out. Well, there wasn't no predators. Not a predator bothered it since it was dead even. Couldn't have been killed by a predator cause all the surgical work was done by an expert. I really didn't think anything of it till it come home to me. Now I know it was bound to have been mutilated cause anyone who could see good could tell it was, Mr. Potts remembered. Also observed is the additional removal of at least one (1) eyeball, the utters on the female are most always removed and the sexual organs on both sexes are also most always removed. All organ removal and incisions are done with surgical precision, and in some cases the evidence of cauterization along the incision lines has led investigators to believe the use of some sort of high heat cutting device has been administered, suggesting the strong possibility of a laser. Bones were also clearly cut with no bone fragments around the cut. UFOs and strange "Black"unmarked helicopters have been linked with these mutilations since they have been sighted at the same time in the same area where the mutilated bovines have been found. Equally disturbing, is the fact that there has never been a conviction of any human accused of committing such a cruel and hideous act. Some may ask, "If done by UFOs, why would they be interested in cattle ?" And the answer to that may lie in the fact that cattle blood is so similar to humans that it is regularly used in the lab to create human blood plasma. Indicating the aliens may be studying the cattle, to find out more about us!

Various incisions would also be found on the body that were so clear cut that they would have had to have been done with some sort of laser technology that we didn't have when the mutilations started (before 1970). Bones were also clearly cut with no bone fragments around the cut. The bodies would be missing various parts which had also shown to have been removed with accurate precision. UFOs have been linked with these mutilations since they have been sighted at the same time in the same area where the mutilated bodies have been found. Mutilations are differentiated from accidental or predatory death for several reasons. Chief among them is the manner in which the flesh has been removed from the body. Cauterization (the fusing of tissue and blood vessels by heat or chemical means) seems to be typical of mutilations. Unlike animal attack, the flesh, adjoining the area where it has been removed, is smooth and clean as if cut with a searing or laser scalpel. As well, the areas chosen for removal are quite strange. Mainly the sexual, anterior digestive tract and sensory organs are affected.(No predator differentiates so precisely). Still, no tracks of any kind can be found around the mutilation site, except, sometimes, tripod marks. Also, no carrion eaters will touch the mutilated cow even though it has plenty of flesh still left to be eaten.


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Re: Cattle Mutilations [Re: Silent_One]
    #487322 - 12/11/01 02:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's probably the US military testing their new lasers.


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Re: Cattle Mutilations [Re: mm.]
    #487357 - 12/11/01 02:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

hahaha.


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Re: Cattle Mutilations [Re: Silent_One]
    #487546 - 12/11/01 05:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So, do you just believe everything you read or what?


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Re: Cattle Mutilations [Re: spreadhead]
    #488031 - 12/12/01 12:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

>>>>So, do you just believe everything you read or what?

Well, they believe whatever Shroomism posts, and a number of people on this board (including the other moderator, the one that is NOT Shroomism that is) have said so in their own words. I find it pretty frightful myself. So long to rational, informed, common-sense insight plus good old-fashioned unbiased research.



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Re: Cattle Mutilations [Re: Swami]
    #488108 - 12/12/01 01:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

>>>>>>We might as well cycle thorugh all of the popular mythology of the last 30 years.

You forgot Roswell, Swami.....tsk tsk....



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Re: Cattle Mutilations [Re: cantara]
    #488189 - 12/12/01 02:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No, Roswell was on the list after Chupacabra. We have to review these things serially.


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Re: Cattle Mutilations [Re: Swami]
    #488395 - 12/12/01 09:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have to say Swami you are funny, I enjoy your posts and remarks.
Is good to see that there are grounded people out there.
And I think I understand why you do it, I presume that you are older than most of people in the shroomery at least over 30 and that you have been into a lot of things and gotten disillusion at most. (Correct me if I am wrong) I have been there.
And in defense of Swami I feel he is trying in his way to save you from disillusion and make you break a way from fantasy.
I may be wrong but that?s may feeling.


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