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Re: my hidden intent. [Re: Strumpling]
    #2208509 - 12/29/03 07:54 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

this whole thing about no free will is ridiculous. You cant always apply physical truths to real life, althought that sounds stupiod. what i mean is sure we dont have 'free will' to decide, where we are born, what the weather will be, if our parents love us or molest us etc etc because all these things are governed by concrete physical laws at some level and these things in turn affect what we do so then we dont have free will. id say that two diffrent people can be presented with the same outside/external events and yet react in diffrent ways. this alone doesnt prove we have free will i guess but
i think we have free will to the extent that we are concious of our actions and what we are doing and why. if we let ourselves drift along in the flow of external events than we have no free will because our fortunes rest entirely on random chance.

think of a man walking straight down an endless road. One day he finds 20 dollars on the street and he is happy. the next day he steps on a nail. the next day it rains on him. he has no free will!

imagine another man walking on the same road. He THINKS to himself 'what the hell am i doing on this road?' finding no real reason he decides instead of walking farther he will sit down on the side of the road and meditate. or maybe hell catch a ride with someone to the next town , where hell use the 20 dollars he found to start that cactus growing operation hes always dreamed of etc i dunno i guess what im saying is its stupid to say we have no free will. I have free will. i decide what i want to do (what my WILL is) and then i am FREE to do it.

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Re: my hidden intent. [Re: PHARMAKOS]
    #2208530 - 12/29/03 08:04 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Using the example of molestation:

Two women grow up in the same city, with similar middle class backgrounds, same religious values, etc.

One woman has been molested and she grows up to abuse drugs and/or alcohol, and she will most likely be promiscuous.

The other woman is molested and chooses to get counseling and not engage in a cycle of self-abuse over her life time.

Are neither exercising free will? Both were predestined to act out these resulting behaviors?

The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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