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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: WildCardsRevenge]
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Why does someone have to have a spiritual experence for mushrooms to be worthwhile?
Is there something so wrong with taking them for a good time?
Thats like saying opaites should only be used for pain relief and never recerational use or saying DVD players shouldn't be used for playing CD's



I by no means think that everyone HAS to have a spiritual experience, its just that its annoying to me because my experiences with it are very profound and they take twice the normal dosage I do and have yet to experience the full power of it, spiritual or not. I asked my friend what he felt on his 1/4 ounce shroom journey and he said he was so fucked up he couldnt move. I can get that way drinking a bottle of liqour. He reported to me that he really only had a few visuals such as the walls breathing and so on.

im just saying I wish my friends could see the full effects (visions, ego death, melting, ect) , yet they just take them on the whim like taking shots of tequila.... as long as they dont have anything to do in the next few hours you can do them anywhere and anytime. Meanwhile I spend all day fasting for it and get blasted out of the universe.

oh well I guess as long as they are having fun doing it, I cant really argue.


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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: aguynameddan]
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Reminding people to CLOSE THEIR EYES for a while may assist them in achieving something a bit deeper than they may realize is possible


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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: aguynameddan]
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Psychedelic drugs can be very fascinating, but they can definately be a lot of fun too.

I think the majority of people who go on about using them spiritualy just do this as an excuse. They've convinced themselves that their only purpose is exploration, but deep down, the real desire is that pure euphoria.

The fun experiences can be therapeutic. It's a different kind of pleasure than the kind you get from alcohol, opiates, or cocaine. It's an emotional feeling. It certainly feels spiritual, but I think a lot of people confuse their desire for the emotional euphoria for a desire for spiritual enlightenment.

Psychedelics make me laugh, they make me think of the world in a completely different way. I can see the humour in all situations. My mind thinks in a different way, I find myself thinking more about the nature of reality, and of human nature. These are things I normally ponder, but I often feel a new kind of understanding while on mushrooms or LSD.

At the same time, I do it for fun though. I almost always have some of the most wonderful, exciting, giggly, loving times when I trip. There's nothing wrong with that.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: Phluck]
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This may seem painfully obvious, but that's because most of us here are cultivators.

The biggest thing that I have noticed is that growers seem to have the deepest appreciation for mushrooms, while casual/average shrooms users (usually) don't have this respect. I was once a casual user, and I don't think that there is too much wrong with that. I used shrooms to get fucked up a few times. I'm at a point now, however, where I'm within 2 weeks of seeing my first ever fruits, and I'm not sure I'm going to even eat any mushrooms. I feel that I'm at a point in my life where there is nothing that I need answered, and nothing that the shrooms can really tell me. Then again, maybe this is a perfect time to eat mushrooms, because I feel a bit carefree, and I could open my mind to a whole new level that I never thought possible.

I also agree with immaculate . . . we must remember that as individual as each person is, so must be his/her experiences/attitudes/dersires when it comes to mushrooms. As we accept diversity between people, why should we not accept their drug preferences?

Anyway this wasn't supposed to be so long. Basic idea: remember that in most situations, it takes growing mushrooms to gain the deep and vast respect for them that many of us feel. Remember that when you're frustrated with someone who just doesn't see things the same way you do.

Edit - this shouldn't have been addressed to phluck; rather it should have been addressed to the creator of the post.


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Edited by shroominbloom (01/15/03 12:24 PM)

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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: shroominbloom]
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whoa this thread actaully came to a reasonable and true conclusion without a huge argument on whos a moron and whos not.

after hearing everyones opinions I guess it truly is to each his own.


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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: aguynameddan]
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Some people just can't accept the fact that they  can provide a spiritual experience. I think that people who don't see it after a healthy dose, are idiots, and the people who take a fourth and say "They fucked me up" are just stupid and should take more. I think they're just scared to see themselves for what they really are (morons). The next person I encounter who says they got fucked up on a low dose will get a kick in the ass followed by the prying open of their 3rd eye with a dose of 5 dried grams!

'I went to Astroworld and had a really bad time.'..................Fucking moron.  :mad:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


Edited by Murex (01/15/03 05:40 PM)

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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: aguynameddan]
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Spiritual? I don't believe in god.

Shrooms are boring to me. I have schizophrenia though.

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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: ]
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What do mushrooms mean to you??
Spiritual tool
Something used for fun
Both the above



:smirk: 


Votes accepted from the dawn of the universe until the end of time

View the results of this poll



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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: Bilge]
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Als antwoord op:
here here!!! what i hate is spiritual snobbery, the "my way or no way" mentality.


Me 2.


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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: ]
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Spiritual?? WTF do you mean by spiritual?? I have never understood that. On acid I have a great time and feel as if I am improving my mind but I dont know if its spiritual. If you mean beleiving nonsense like gods and that b.s.(please take offense j/k) then I am not spiritual at all on any substance. If you mean improving your morals and thoughts then I'm all for that. But why not have fun and laugh about the things you can't change in this world. It seems like most of you here think you have to be as serious as possible while tripping. That ruins the trip. Trust me try laughing at some of the shit in the world you find wrong. It helps a lot. If your like me you think about this world when tripping. I think most others do to. Like sometimes I can see the beuty(Spellings wrong I know) of nature. Other times I think about what humans do to this planet(destroying it) but if I'm serious about it they destroy me too. Why the hell should I give the ones who destroy that much more power. and have more confidence in yourselves. Most of you seem like you need a group to follow and thats why you feel like your friends should think like you. If you truly believe your way of thinking is better then laugh at the fools who don't care about anything but themselves and how they look to others. Believe me Laughter is the best medicine. I'm not saying don't try to show them psychedelics can help them just don't try so hard it effects you. And the time will come when they will understand. Its best to trip only with one person if your trying to help that person see the benefits of tripping. Then they feel less pressure to make jokes and impress their peers that way. And don't laugh at there jokes when your with them or you just add fuel to the fire.

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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: Murex]
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Hey Murex. Man I just ate 1 gram of shrooms and I'm fucked up!!! I MEAN FUCKED UP!!! Like you know FUCKED UP!!! You know on a low dose!!

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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: ]
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Spiritual? I don't believe in god.

Shrooms are boring to me. I have schizophrenia though.


you dont have to believe in god to be spiritual... i can hardly associate the two, unless god means something more than some political religious cult that's nothing more than a common misconception perpetuated by the man to further the hierarchial society in which we live


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Children, What's the sound,
Everybody look what's going down"

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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: aguynameddan]
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light them up a whole bowls worth of salvia 10x... wait until their hard-headed naive minds begin to submerge into the world of salvia, and run away to leave them alone and fend for themselves. even better, do it in the middle of an interstate. teach those fuckers. it'll give them a new meaning to the phrase "kick me in the fucking ass, please"


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"I think it's time we stop
Children, What's the sound,
Everybody look what's going down"

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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: Dr. Slavic]
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Nah, you just want my 5 grams.  :grin:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: Murex]
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I know some people that have dropped acid before and done many psychedelics and when I try to start discussion about the spiritual/mystical part of the expereince or consciousness they look at me like I'm speaking in Spanish.
I was once on an eighth once at a friend's house and a friend asked me, "why do you have your walkman with you?"

I just hate the reactions people give you when you try to explain to them the many purposes of taking mushrooms. Being 18, I can agree that most teens take them just to get 'fuked up!'. This does piss me off. And all they want to do is eat 1.7g too, I don't get it. They describe trips to me that sound like level 4's and on the same mushies i never get more than a 3. posers in my opinion.

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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: Guerrilla0726]
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i think most people who just describe a trip as "being fucked up" are just exhibiting their inability to comprehend what is happening to them in a trip. lets face it, a lot of people simply don't have the mental capacity to wrap their mind around the concepts you are presented with during a trip. they dont have the mental capacity to wrap their mind around things such as simple algebra even, so what would you expect them to say when they trip? they just can't get it...

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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: aguynameddan]
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aguynameddan said:
Damn I find it so freakin annoying when all my friends who can get or have tried shrooms are like, yeah I got so fucked up off of it or this and that.... treating it like weed or alcohol.

NOthing annoys me more then how my other friends who tried them use them as something to get fucked up with, it seems like im the only one who thinks of a trip as a mystical thing that shouldnt be taken for recreation but for a journey of the mind.


i get annoyed when people like you class weed in with alcohol as just a thing to get fucked up. there is so much you can learn from a marijuana high.

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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: Deviate]
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I love how people treat psychedelics as a way to "get fucked up". I think it all stems from the fact that they are labelled "hallucinogens", everyone thinks they just make you "see shit" "trip balls" and just get really messed up, turn your brain to mush etc etc.

Psychedelic means "mind manifesting". And that is exactly what happens when you use them. I don't see how anyone who has ever taken shrooms can deny that they are spiritual/mystical or of divine power. But I guess not everyone can see the light.

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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: heavensgate]
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I don't know if any of you realized this, but guerilla here appears to be a necromancer...

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Re: why I dont want my friends to do shrooms [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
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For those of you who have the mental capacity to explain the depths of alterations which your mind goes through from shrooms but DON'T know what necromancer means:
"one who practices magic or sorcery"

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