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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: Asante]
    #792614 - 08/02/02 11:45 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Serotonin is NOT a poison. It's a necessity for human survival.

If you (for some dumb reason) injected a lot of pure serotonin you would probably end up with serotonin syndrome, but that's not because serotonin is a poison.


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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: trendal]
    #793559 - 08/02/02 11:57 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

"Everything is Poison, and nothing without Poison, only the dosage makes, if something works as a Poison or not."

I was merely pointing out that Serotonin is more toxic than Psilocybin. In the brain, you'll get serotonin syndrome, in the vein you'll likely get bloodclotting problems which may lead to death, since Serotonin is involved there, too. No refs tho, just read it somewhere.


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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: Asante]
    #794242 - 08/03/02 11:22 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

I think I get your point: everything is a "poison" if used to extremes. Water will kill you if you drink too much of it. But is water a poison? I wouldn't say it is.

Serotonin, by the same definintion, isn't a poison. But too much serotonin WILL kill you, just like anything else. Psilocybin...I wouldn't consider it a poison at all. Tylenol will kill you at far smaller dosages than psilocybin will, as an example.


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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: trendal]
    #795029 - 08/04/02 02:26 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

I think we think along the same lines, yet use other definitions, Trendal.

Let's agree the shroom doesn't produce Psiloc(yb)in to kill or maim, or it would be a really shitty toxin, having such a high lethal dose.

I think it's a deterrent, that shrooms containing the Psilo stuff are eaten less often than mushrooms without anything in them. It started as a co?ncidence and got preserved and enhanced by evolutionary benefit. Speculative, tho!




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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: fjbk47985]
    #10169667 - 04/15/09 06:34 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

They were originally poisonous but humans evolved to use them in the way we do today.

Lokk up bill hicks on youtube he explains it (lol) better


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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: PaddyCuinne]
    #10170139 - 04/15/09 09:26 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Holy bump! 6 years old thread huh?

Tho i must say it was a fairly interesting discussion and i enjoyed reading it :smile:


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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: ravingbanana]
    #10170159 - 04/15/09 09:30 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

In essence, it's no different than smoking weed. When it all comes down to it, you use a product, and it makes you intoxicated. If mushrooms are bad because they make you feel good, then it's wrong to eat apples because they have a positive effect on your taste buds.

I know it's an old thread that got bumped... but I wanted to get my 2 cents in!


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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: Mr. Kite]
    #10170174 - 04/15/09 09:32 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Why? Why do people bump 6 year old threads? STOP IT! :kingcrankey:


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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #10170198 - 04/15/09 09:37 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I dunno, it was a good thread, worth the read (and therefore the bump) in my opinion.


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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: Mr. Kite]
    #10170208 - 04/15/09 09:38 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, on forums people always flip out about bumping old threads.

It can be a little irritating, but it's not really THAT big of a deal.


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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: perplexed]
    #10170223 - 04/15/09 09:42 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know, I ate too many mushrooms in too short a time and I feel as though my head is lost to me at times. I abused though, which is important to consider.


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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: funwithgus]
    #10170328 - 04/15/09 10:06 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

psilocybin mushrooms are emotion.. Cromagnon/neanderthal man or either our ape ancestors long long ago came across them and ingested them and obv weren't expecting anything and are hit with intense introspective/some-what philosophical(not at all in todays standards) non lingual cognition and feelings of divinity, trance, wholeness and love.

Jump years ahead to us today. WE strive to continue to knowingly Facilitate our evolution
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mushrooms are far from bad,, well certain ones


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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: TryptamineFlood8]
    #10170336 - 04/15/09 10:07 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, I'm GLAD this got revived. That's a wonderful little nugget of knowledge.


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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: Fd3000]
    #11531972 - 11/26/09 12:35 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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"dogs die from chocolate"

Were you making that up or did you hear that somewhere? I feel my dog chocolate all the time and he doesnt die.....


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page or so late... but I don't think anyone replied to this. Hopefully you googled "dog chocolate" after reading that it could be harmful. Chocolate contains theobromine, a chemical that you can slightly "feel" in you if you eat enough dark chocolate. Has physiological effects similar to caffeine with a few distinct differences. Caffeine actually digests partially into theobromine in your body, btw. Anyways, dogs don't have the enzymes to digest theobromine, it will kill them. Yeah, feeding it Reeses peanut butter cups or bars from the corner store probably won't do anything (but I still wouldn't recommend it). It's mainly the actual dark dark stuff with a high cocoa butter content/ baker's chocolate. Same thing goes for cats & human beings on MAOIs. It's just not as well known about cats cause they don't taste sweetness & generally don't desire chocolate much.


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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: CMACD]
    #11532055 - 11/26/09 12:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I find it hard to believe that something as detailed and beautiful as the effects of Psilocyn could be poisonous. It's almost like nature has designed a computer program that you install on your brain. There are too many coincidences for it to be an accident. Like most things, there are good mushrooms and evil mushrooms.

But yes, the difference between poison and medicine is the dose.


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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: Psilocypher]
    #11532143 - 11/26/09 01:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Well from what i have heard shrooms do not do any permanent physical damage therefore rendering them to be not a poison. Yeah they can make you puke but as said previously so can many other things that are not poisonous.
I smoke weed and that does more damage to my body than shrooms do so i dont really mind them and wouldn't really class them as a poison.
I suppose opinion has to also be taken into account but i do not think that shrooms are chemically poisonous.

Oh and by the way does anybody know if psilocybin and psilocin are actually toxins?


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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: chidgos]
    #11532151 - 11/26/09 01:18 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

^Weed does less damage than mushrooms seeing as cannabinoids have neuroprotective and anti-carcinogenic properties. Also, define "toxin".


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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #11532216 - 11/26/09 01:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

yeah i see what you mean about cannabis but i didn't mean as a poison, i meant it's still gonna do damage to your lungs even if it's not poisonous.
And by toxin i mean a chemical that does damage even if only temporarily.


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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: chidgos]
    #11532250 - 11/26/09 01:36 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Psilocybin and psilocin are not considered toxic. Yeah, inhaling smoke isn't the best for your lungs, but the worst it's really going to do (from cannabis) is gumming up the works a bit. Y'know, bronchitis, gunk, etc. nothing really serious that you get from smoking, say, tobacco. Also, check out the article I posted in the news forum for continued good news on the health benefits of cannabis :smile:

But yeah, the original idea of the post, that psilocybin might be a defense mechanism, is a bit flawed in that it assumes that plants only develop defense mechanisms. In fact, plants can (seemingly) also develop methods to encourage its propagation. Look at mushrooms, weed, and poppies. They are widely cultivated by humans for their chemical properties, all of which are essentially non-toxic. Nature is truly beautiful sometimes. Amazing what natural selection can produce.


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Re: Maybe shrooms are actually bad? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #11532264 - 11/26/09 01:39 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Why is it so hard to think that they're here for other reasons rather than just to be there? Lol.

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