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OfflineBeppoMarx
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bulk shrooms
    #473669 - 11/29/01 04:13 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

ok im pretty much fed up with my repeated jar attemts. ive come to accept that i am pathetic BUT will still not give up. i went out and bought some oven bags and some more millet and hay. im gonna shred up the hay cobb, soak that and millet and stuff up some bags and bake them shitz. im pretty much sick of teks and i have read a lot but id rather vouch for peoples experiences and opinions (and new teks if you have them) about bulk and oven bags. i pretty much know the basics, hopefully i can get moisture right (because i never do) but anyway to my original concern. what is a good strain to grow bulk or are they all equal as far as growing semi-mass quantities or casings. or maybe i should ask what will work best on millet and hay. i have
lipa yai
PR
Acadian Coast
pan cyan (i know i wont use these)
psi cyan
i have access to living cultures of
maztec
PF (i dont think i woiuld consider trhese though)
and i will be gettig these in the mail this week from lilshopofspores
amazonian
PES ahwiian
EQ
PESA
Aussies
Koh Samui
i was thinking of making the first batch of acadian coast and go from there but which in everyones opinion would work good given the bulk substrate? thanks to all in advance, ill check back after lunchbreak.


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    #473679 - 11/29/01 04:20 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)



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Re: bulk shrooms [Re: Compiler]
    #473691 - 11/29/01 04:31 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

My buddy said Acadian coast Is a pretty small strain, yeilds are ok but fruits are rather small. Go with either the amazon, EQ or aussie for bulk, The mazatapec culture would probably do you some good too, thats the most visual cubie hes ever eaten. hope this helps some


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Re: bulk shrooms [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #473705 - 11/29/01 04:45 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

You gonna use that 4 month old honey-water?


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Re: bulk shrooms [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #473712 - 11/29/01 04:49 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

Go with the ecuador, and use the 'oldtimer straw tek', *do search* use regular pf cakes, use a 40/60 spawn ratio for super fast (3 days) spawn run, super potent shrooms and a good yeild..... you can NOT fuck this up, as long as you are able to grow a cake.
forget the 'oven bag' crap


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Re: bulk shrooms [Re: Anonymous]
    #473755 - 11/29/01 05:42 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

compiler: 5 months man, 5 months and not 1 full jar yet. im up over 60 single jar attempts with about a dozen going and theyre nothing to talk about. best ones been going since 10-12-01 and show light see thru mycellium that has covered about 30% of the surface of the jars.

puscle: if i do any acadian coast ones i will use that honeywater. actually i think ill do one tonight of them and being smaller cubies ill just try to keep substrate later around 3" when casing it to get larger fruits and a second one, probably amazonians when i get my shipment.

Pavlov's Dog: well i probably would fuck it up. i cannot grow a cake that is my problem and why i am trying the oven bag. The old timers straw tek is good, i actually will probably use the small particle cake thing if i ever accomplish cakes...


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Re: bulk shrooms [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #473816 - 11/29/01 06:30 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

Ok, I feel for you.... heres what you need to do

yes, continue using jars.... no oven bags ok

follow the PF-tek exacty for making your 1/2 pint jars.......

when you make the vermiculite barrier, make it 1 INCH! Place a peice of tinfoil over the verm barrier, THEN put your lid and ring on.

THIS MUST BE STERILIZED! If you dont have a PC (cooker), then GET one, do the walmart scam thing that was posted by 'split' if you have to.

Place a 1/2 pint with about 20cc's of water in the PC also.
Put your syringes in the PC also; wrapped in foil.
PC for 30-45 mnutes at 15PSI.

NOw i'm guessing that you have been using sporeprints to start with... and this is probably where you have been getting screwed, so here is what you need to do in your extreme situation.

After your jar of water has cooled (wrap it in seran wrap and place it in the fridge if you just cant wait), you will scrape 1 ENTIRE (important) sporeprint into the jar of water, in the oven. quickly replace the lid. punch a hole in the lid with a tack, unwrap your syringes and draw out the DARK spore solution. wrap your syringes in seran wrap till you are ready to use them.

Next.

inocculate in the oven.... use RUBBING ALCOHOL and cotton swabs. between each jar, wipe the lid, set it down in the oven, wipe the needle, pick up the jar.... inject....1...2...3...4..., repeat with next jar.

You cannot fail like this.


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Re: bulk shrooms [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #473880 - 11/29/01 07:28 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

Dude!!!

Thats crazy!!

60 jars and NOTHING!!!???

Man, you REALLY need to start over and use the pf or mmgg teks...

I have a super low contam rate and as I go I worry less and less about sterility.

I just innoculate the damn jars, throw them in a closet, and they take off!!
You need to start simply.

Have you EVER created a successful crop?
If so, ignore me, but from what I am reading
it looks like you have had no success....

As far as water ratios.... Geez, if you are using verm all you hafta do is wet the verm until
it can't hold water, add the brf ( easy tek i know. ) and sterilize. water content for me is like perfect every time. But what do i know???

LOL!


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Re: bulk shrooms [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #473889 - 11/29/01 07:33 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

I agree the pf tek will be the best bet for you using, PF, equador, treasure coast or b plus spores....Don't give up, because you if anyone, will appreciate the results when you make it..........


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Re: bulk shrooms [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #473920 - 11/29/01 08:07 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

no my syringes i dont think are a problem, theyre usually pretty dark and i have used up to 2 full prints in a lipa yai syringe. i dont get contamination tho. well i cant say never but ive lost maybe 3-5 jars to contams. the mycellium just wont grow. some people claim to let mold spores germinate for 24 or so hours then sterilize so i tried that also recently and that didnt work.
newbie, no i have never got a successful crop myself. a friend did trade me 2 colonized maztec cakes for some syringes i made for him (which all 3 worked- and one was that 4 month old myc water others were straight spores and water.) and 1 cake will be harvested of 4 fully mature shrooms today and i will print all 4. i also have .7 dry grams of abhorts from that cake and the other is just forming primordia; although im not sure why this one started 5 days later. I have mycellium water so i can continue to try with the strains that i have but the jars arent cuttin it 4 me for some reason.


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maybe theres a tek out there to explain how to use it!
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Re: bulk shrooms [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #474632 - 11/30/01 12:35 PM (15 years, 10 days ago)

Perhaps your not letting the jars cool overnight before injecting?

this may be extreme... but it will insure that the jars are cool enough.


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Re: bulk shrooms [Re: Hammerloaf]
    #474652 - 11/30/01 12:51 PM (15 years, 10 days ago)

some were done 8 hrs later that day, some overnight, some 4 hrs in fridge or freezer, some were even left 2 days to see if contamination would grow before innoc.


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maybe theres a tek out there to explain how to use it!
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Re: bulk shrooms [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #474655 - 11/30/01 12:52 PM (15 years, 10 days ago)

beppo...why don't you consider starting a journal of your attempts. i know it doesn't sound like a big help but you will be amazed at what an excellent learning tool it can be. plus when your a master cultivator you can look back at it and laugh!


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Re: bulk shrooms [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #474920 - 11/30/01 04:31 PM (15 years, 10 days ago)

Hey Beppo,

You have patience and perseverence that is for sure! Put up some pics if ya' have em of the jars... But you say they look ok, just no colinization, and no smells either huh?


hmmm


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Re: bulk shrooms [Re: Mklangelo]
    #474939 - 11/30/01 04:46 PM (15 years, 10 days ago)

yeah ill have pix this weekend in pics forum. i have my friends digi cam and when i give it back he will x-fer them to me cos hes still got all the cables and shit. plus it holds like 56 pix on high quality (i think its a 64MB card in there). im pretty sure all my jars are just to wet; except my pan cyans which i have no idea on. just emptied out some thismorning also cos im sure they were too wet.
I also did some oven bags last night; one smaller (less substrate) than the other and baked this morning 2 to 2.5 hours at 350 (not sure exactly when my dad came home from lunch and turned it off but i can guarantee more than 2 prolly closer to 3 hrs. knocking one up w/ acadian coast tonight and the other; if my shipment doesnt come in by monday w/ new syringes ill just try the puerto ricans in there. they do well on millet, right? the substarte is millet and hay, about 3:1 and after i boiled/pasteurized for about 30-45 min i drained it and added another 1 part dry verm. these look pretty good i think (tho i say that every time these do look and feel a lot drier than usual)


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Re: bulk shrooms [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #474953 - 11/30/01 04:56 PM (15 years, 10 days ago)

I never did Puerto's. My last outing was some of whatever PF has (EQ's I think) that was 3 years ago but had good success. My and my friends had a really nice summer.

Goin' for the Cambo's now. Finnally got my prints yesterday and one is 3 inches in diameter and the spores are practically spillin' out the bag! Not on our topic but T.H.E. did me proper. I'll be lookin' for those pics.


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Re: bulk shrooms [Re: Mklangelo]
    #475082 - 11/30/01 06:58 PM (15 years, 10 days ago)

Hey, I'm having the same problem I supose, just wondering if anyone could help me.

I have 12 half pint jars, and it's been 7 days, and only 2 have mycilium.. help :)


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Re: bulk shrooms [Re: ShroomNewb]
    #475097 - 11/30/01 07:13 PM (15 years, 10 days ago)

Post a pic. 7 days isn't THAT long. If I recall from my last efforts, I don't remember seeing much at all in the first week. I think it was early spring and I didn't do anything as far as temp control. The incubation temp must have been around 70 deg F. I'm sure I could have sped things up by upping the temp. So try to get your incubation temps up to at least 80 or so... I'm sure that will speed things up. Do you know what the current temp is?


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Re: bulk shrooms [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #475470 - 12/01/01 12:40 AM (15 years, 10 days ago)

for optimum colonization keep jars in a incubator , or keep room temps at 85* but 85* is what you want to shoot for.GL with your jars


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Re: bulk shrooms [Re: XxMuSHRooMHeaDxX]
    #475768 - 12/01/01 06:27 AM (15 years, 10 days ago)

after making spore print, leave the syringe alone for a few days, so the spores can rehydrate. That used to be a probelms for me, make syringe, use, myclieum never take. After leaving one for a few days it worked.


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