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InvisibleSilversoul
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What's your view on democracy?
    #4655347 - 09/13/05 04:18 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I'm beginning to have less and less faith in it. Whether it's direct democracy or representative democracy, it can't seem to overcome the fact that the majority of people are idiots. I think the founding fathers got it right with the whole checks and balances thing, but I don't think they went far enough. I think we need to have a system founded on some basic laws that everyone can agree with, like don't steal or murder, and once we've got some sort of foundation that society can function on, create enough checks and balances to make it damn near impossible to pass further legislation. I'm sick of this whole "will of the people" bullshit that politicians spew. Fuck the people! The people are a tyranny against the individual.


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Re: What's your view on democracy? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4655371 - 09/13/05 04:23 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

My view on Democracy?

I'm against it.






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Re: What's your view on democracy? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4655383 - 09/13/05 04:27 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

it worked fine until mass media came along. technology and communications have advanced so rapidly that people don't realize that everything has changed so drastically in such a short amount of time that all basis for comparison to historical precedent is now irrelevent. We are in a whole new world now and those with the amibition and the power to manipulate and mold our society and our very minds are going unchecked by an increasingly unaware and passive population. A brief period of anarchy may be the only way to free ourselves of the chains that our global handlers control, but then again the same type of people will just rise up to the top again.

We're fucked!


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Re: What's your view on democracy? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4655403 - 09/13/05 04:31 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
Whether it's direct democracy or representative democracy, it can't seem to overcome the fact that the majority of people are idiots.





You nailed it. People are too stupid to take care of themselves so they want an authority to do it for them. In the course of giving this authority the wealth and the power to do all of this stuff, rights are trampled upon. Most people don't care. Individuals like us do notice and we do care.

And what is even scarier, democracies usually devolve into dictatorships or decaying socialist states. Every empire crumbles to ashes. I surmise that America will be no different.
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I think the founding fathers got it right with the whole checks and balances thing, but I don't think they went far enough.





I think they went far enough. It's just that politicians do not obey the Constitution (although they claim to). Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that the federal government has a right to take your money for a mandatory pension plan or in order to support non-working people. The Constitution mentions nothing about the federal government having a stake in abortion or education. This piece of paper which should provide the framework for our nation has been shit upon for a long time.

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I'm sick of this whole "will of the people" bullshit that politicians spew. Fuck the people! The people are a tyranny against the individual.




That is how it has always been. Individuals must deal with some shit that they don't want to deal with in order to be members of a stable and prosperous society. Live your life in the way that is most conducive to your own beliefs, but you need to realize that you can't make everything go your way.


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Re: What's your view on democracy? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4655441 - 09/13/05 04:39 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

James Madison agrees with you.


"Democracy is the most vile form of government... democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention: have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property: and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.
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Re: What's your view on democracy? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4655834 - 09/13/05 06:05 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think any form of govt is better than the other. It boils down to the peole who run it. If the leaders are fuck ups, then the govt they lead will fuck up, no matter what form of govt they run.

Democracy now means controlled by big business. The people lost all controll years ago.


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Re: What's your view on democracy? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4655872 - 09/13/05 06:12 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner


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Re: What's your view on democracy? [Re: Sycronica]
    #4655895 - 09/13/05 06:16 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think you know the mind of the people quite as well as you think you do. Pauline Kael, famous elitist twat, said it best, about Nixon I think, "How could he have won, nobody I know voted for him." The level of intellectual incest on the left is staggering. They can't even tell why they lost. Which is a good thing. If they can't recognize the problem they can't fix it and will thus flail away in the tarpits of their own myopia.

(That was fucking brilliant, "tarpits of their own myopia". I get better every day)


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Re: What's your view on democracy? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4655911 - 09/13/05 06:21 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't think you know the mind of the people quite as well as you think you do.



As a sociology major, I deal with survey data on a daily basis. The statistics clearly back up my assertion of people's stupidity.


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Re: What's your view on democracy? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4655999 - 09/13/05 06:37 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

How so? What could be stupider than majoring in sociology? Ah, now I see. Ha ha.


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Re: What's your view on democracy? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4656090 - 09/13/05 07:00 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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What could be stupider than majoring in sociology?



Voting for George W. Bush.


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Re: What's your view on democracy? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4656181 - 09/13/05 07:21 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Twice, and I'm way smarter than you


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Re: What's your view on democracy? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4656186 - 09/13/05 07:22 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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How so? What could be stupider than majoring in sociology?




Majoring in a field where you won't find a job.


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Re: What's your view on democracy? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4656241 - 09/13/05 07:32 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

-Benjamin Franklin

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess of the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship."

-Sir Alex Fraser Tytler (?)


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Re: What's your view on democracy? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4656438 - 09/13/05 08:16 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Twice, and I'm way smarter than you



Riiiiight, and there were WMDs in Iraq, Iraq was building drones to attack the U.S., the specter of a mushroom cloud from them was a real possibility, they were a threat to the U.S. after a massive defeat in Gulf War I, over a decade of sanctions and daily sorties, and monkeys might fly out of my butt.


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Re: What's your view on democracy? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4656473 - 09/13/05 08:25 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

"Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty." ....Plato


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Re: What's your view on democracy? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4656726 - 09/13/05 09:37 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
I'm beginning to have less and less faith in it. Whether it's direct democracy or representative democracy, it can't seem to overcome the fact that the majority of people are idiots. I think the founding fathers got it right with the whole checks and balances thing, but I don't think they went far enough. I think we need to have a system founded on some basic laws that everyone can agree with, like don't steal or murder, and once we've got some sort of foundation that society can function on, create enough checks and balances to make it damn near impossible to pass further legislation. I'm sick of this whole "will of the people" bullshit that politicians spew. Fuck the people! The people are a tyranny against the individual.




didn't Darth Vader say some shit like that too?


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Re: What's your view on democracy? [Re: MikeOLogical]
    #4656735 - 09/13/05 09:39 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
I'm beginning to have less and less faith in it. Whether it's direct democracy or representative democracy, it can't seem to overcome the fact that the majority of people are idiots. I think the founding fathers got it right with the whole checks and balances thing, but I don't think they went far enough. I think we need to have a system founded on some basic laws that everyone can agree with, like don't steal or murder, and once we've got some sort of foundation that society can function on, create enough checks and balances to make it damn near impossible to pass further legislation. I'm sick of this whole "will of the people" bullshit that politicians spew. Fuck the people! The people are a tyranny against the individual.




didn't Darth Vader say some shit like that too?



Something like that, though I think he was more concerned with the lack of order in democracy, whereas I'm more concerned with the lack of freedom.


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Re: What's your view on democracy? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4656766 - 09/13/05 09:46 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

are you really experiencing a lack of freedom? I'm not... I pretty much do what the fuck I want...


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Re: What's your view on democracy? [Re: MikeOLogical]
    #4656925 - 09/13/05 10:28 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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are you really experiencing a lack of freedom? I'm not... I pretty much do what the fuck I want...



Let's see...it's illegal for me to smoke a plant that grows naturally from the ground. Although I still do it, I must hide from society like some sort of fugitive. Meanwhile, although I personally have no desire to marry another man, it would be illegal for me to do so if I tried. Also, if I start a business and decide to keep all the money I earn rather than giving a portion of it to Uncle Sam, I go to jail. All of these are things which are supported by the tyranny of the majority. If I want more freedom, I have to wait until the ignorant masses come to their senses.


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