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France the enemy of democracy
    #4387002 - 07/09/05 04:27 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Wow. I didn't know France was an enemy of democracy. Impeach Chirac! Impeach Chirac!

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These are some of the comments made by Iraqis who signed an appeal to the UN to stop France?s attempts to hinder the democratic process in Iraq.

The petition was organized by a group of Iraqi civil society organization and was directed to the UN and addressed ?To any person support democracy in Iraq?. The petition was put on line few days ago and till this date they have gathered around 380 signatures from Iraqis inside and outside Iraq but the number is increasing by dozens everyday. The majority were Iraqis living abroad and I guess this is because of the Internet access is more available outside Iraq.








"France is the biggest enemy for Iraq."
Hamza Al Jawahiri.

"I know the huge amount of oil France had stolen from Iraq."
Mohammed Jawad Asher.

"France role is known through the modern history as supporter of dictatorships. France blocked the democratic path in Algeria and now Iraq. "
Al Kenany

"No, To New Barbaric Murders Supported by France, Yes, For Free Democratic IRAQ."
Radhi Al-Hashimy

These are some of the comments made by Iraqis who signed an appeal to the UN to stop France?s attempts to hinder the democratic process in Iraq.

The petition was organized by a group of Iraqi civil society organization and was directed to the UN and addressed ?To any person support democracy in Iraq?. The petition was put on line few days ago and till this date they have gathered around 380 signatures from Iraqis inside and outside Iraq but the number is increasing by dozens everyday. The majority were Iraqis living abroad and I guess this is because of the Internet access is more available outside Iraq.

Unfortunately many comments were written in Arabic and seemed to be encoded that even I couldn?t view them, but still there are many comments in English. I know that many people would probably say that such actions are ineffective, and they have a point. Still I see it as a wonderful development that Iraqis are starting to organize such group activities making use of the Internet as the fastest way to achieve contact with the largest possible number of Iraqis.

In addition to that, such appeals and the one organized by ?Arab Liberals? send a message to the terrorists and those who support them and who claim to help Iraqi people that Iraqis do not support their actions and moreover condemn them. It?s helpful in exposing these people and also discouraging these terrorists whom many of them are being sent to Iraq and told that Iraqis need their help to be ?liberated?.

It?s also helpful in showing Iraqis who believe in democracy and new Iraq to see that they are not a minority as the media tries to show them and that there are so many of their brothers and sisters who want what they want; peace and democracy. It?s a start for a more effective and more organized activities by the Iraqi people who were silenced for such a long time, and who till now are being terrorized inside their land.

Here?s the translation for the appeal as provided on line:

Your Excellency, Mr. Kofi Annan,
Secretary General of the United Nations

We extend our best greetings and highest appreciation,

We, the undersigned, Iraqi civil society organizations as well as a group of Iraqi and Arab intellectuals are gravely concerned at the continuing attempts of certain governments to undermine the democratic process in Iraq. In the vanguard of these governments stands the French government. Since the start, this government has opposed the endeavours of the international community to help the Iraqi people end the despotic rule of Saddam Hussein, a rule that posed a threat to international peace and security, under the pretext of protecting the integrity of the Iraqi people. It threatened to resort to the veto in the UN Security Council to thwart any resolution which could help the Iraqi people rid themselves of the dictatorial regime.

After the liberation of Iraq under United States leadership and supported by many countries in the world, the French government called for the participation of the Baath party in the transitional government in spite of that party?s totalitarian thought, nationalistic fanaticism and sanguinary past. These efforts were repeated in different forms including the persistent call for the withdrawal of multinational forces from Iraq, forces which Iraq needs in order to ensure security. The last such effort was the French government?s demand to convene an international conference in Egypt to include governments and representatives of what it calls factions of the ?Iraqi resistance?. We wish to confirm to you that this ?resistance? is none other than an alliance of remnants of the ousted regime in Baghdad and non-Iraqi Islamist and extremist terrorist groups affiliated to the Al Qaida organization led by Osama Ben Laden whose Iraq branch is headed by the Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab Al Zarqawi, as well as organized crime gangs previously released by Saddam Hussein before his fall.

The Iraqi government objected to the presence of terrorists at this conference, one which is a gathering of governments and not a joint meeting with non-governmental organizations. This stance was supported by Iraqi civil society organizations. This notwithstanding, the French government submitted a new proposal calling for the holding of a special conference to which ?factions of the Iraqi resistance? would be invited under the appellation ?Iraqi civil society organizations?. This term implies that these are merely peace-loving civil society organizations which believe in democracy, reject violence and terrorism and strive to protect human rights and society by peaceful means. We do not know whether the French government has accepted that representatives of these terrorists groups would attend masked, or if it will ask them to remove their masks so that hostages would recognize their kidnappers and witnesses of beheadings would behold the face of murderers.

We believe that the purpose which the French government seeks through all of the above is to accord international legitimacy to terrorist groups in Iraq, delay elections sought by the Iraqi people and press for the withdrawal of the multinational forces before stability is established and before security and democracy are realized in Iraq. This contradicts Security Council resolution No. 1546 which was approved by the very same French Government, a resolution that gave the Iraqi Transitional Government the sole right and authority to demand the withdrawal of these forces. We believe that withdrawal of the multinational forces in this critical transitional phase in the life of the Iraqi people is tantamount to paving the road, either to the restoration of the Saddam Hussein regime? one that has filled Iraq with mass graves and displaced millions of its sons ? so that it may pursue its persecution of the Iraqi people, or transform Iraq into a large hotbed that attracts criminals, thieves, murderers and terrorists turning it into a centre of international terrorism with the attendant threat to peace and security of the peoples of the region and the world.

We therefore appeal to you, Your Excellency the Secretary General, to call on the governments of the states neighbouring Iraq as well as the French government to rectify their negative positions vis-?-vis the Iraqi people and to join the international community in the bid to help Iraq and its people defeat terrorism, realize security and democracy and rebuild their country, thereby restoring peace and security to the Middle East region, key to security and stability in the world.

With sincere thanks and appreciation,


Signed


Cc:
1- President George Bush, President of the United States of America, the White House, Washington D.C.
2- Mr. Tony Blair, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, 10 Downing Street, London.
3- Mr. Jack Straw, Foreign Minister, U.K Foreign Ministry, London.
4- President Vlademir Putin, President of the Russian Federation, Moscow.
5- President Guojia Zhuxi, President of the People?s Republic of China, Beijing.
6- President Jacques Chirac, President of France, Paris.
7- Mr. Gerhard Schroeder, Chancellor of Germany, Berlin.
8- Mrs. Benita Ferrero-Waldner, Commission of the European Union, Brussels.
9- Mr. Iyad Allawi, Prime Minister, Government of Iraq, Baghdad.
10- Mr. Hoshyar Zebari, Foreign Minister of Iraq, Baghdad.
11- Mr. Ahmed Abu Al Gheit, Foreign Minister of Egypt, Cairo.
12- Mr. Amr Mousa, Secretary General of the League of Arab States, Cairo.


http://www.fuckfrance.com/read.html?postid=885373


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Re: France the enemy of democracy [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4387005 - 07/09/05 04:29 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Funny, I always thought we (the US) are the biggest enemy of democracy..learn something new everything :smile:


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Re: France the enemy of democracy [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4387152 - 07/09/05 05:21 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

you should check your sources before you post any articles.

your source was http://www.fuckfrance.com/read.html?postid=885373

and if you check their own source for this article, which they say is http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/

then you'll find that the article isn't even mentioned on that page... :smirk:


Anyhow, i'm surprised nobody noticed how much this article smells like bullshit:


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We, the undersigned, Iraqi civil society organizations as well as a group of Iraqi and Arab intellectuals...



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...Signed,


Cc:
1- President George Bush, President of the United States of America, the White House, Washington D.C.
2- Mr. Tony Blair, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, 10 Downing Street, London.
3- Mr. Jack Straw, Foreign Minister, U.K Foreign Ministry, London.
4- President Vlademir Putin, President of the Russian Federation, Moscow.
5- President Guojia Zhuxi, President of the People?s Republic of China, Beijing.
6- President Jacques Chirac, President of France, Paris.
7- Mr. Gerhard Schroeder, Chancellor of Germany, Berlin.
8- Mrs. Benita Ferrero-Waldner, Commission of the European Union, Brussels.
9- Mr. Iyad Allawi, Prime Minister, Government of Iraq, Baghdad.
10- Mr. Hoshyar Zebari, Foreign Minister of Iraq, Baghdad.
11- Mr. Ahmed Abu Al Gheit, Foreign Minister of Egypt, Cairo.
12- Mr. Amr Mousa, Secretary General of the League of Arab States, Cairo.





:rolleyes:


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Re: France the enemy of democracy [Re: exclusive58]
    #4387184 - 07/09/05 05:31 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Here's the complete link to the archived post at Iraq The Model --

http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/archives/2004_10_01_iraqthemodel_archive.html

At the time the post was made at fuckfrance.com (late October of 2004) the ITM post wasn't archived -- the commentor posted a dynamic link to the main page rather than a permalink to a specific entry. Happens all the time.

As for your eye-rolling at the names under the "cc" tag, maybe French secretaries use a different term for the notation which precedes a list of recipients to whom the communication has been distributed. In English speaking countries, "cc" is shorthand for "carbon copied". In other words, though the letter was addressed to Kofi Annan, identical copies of the letter were also sent to all those whose names appear after the "cc" notation.



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Re: France the enemy of democracy [Re: Phred]
    #4387224 - 07/09/05 05:47 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

oh ok, my bad, thanx for the correction


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Re: France the enemy of democracy [Re: exclusive58]
    #4387355 - 07/09/05 06:42 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

i couldn't find anything that shows that the french government demanded that the iraqi government include members of the Baath party...help?

on the other hand, i did find this though:
US issues more demands on Iraqi government to include former Baathists
i didn't read the whole article though...


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Re: France the enemy of democracy [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4387646 - 07/09/05 08:32 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Have you seen the French terrorism alert conditions:

1st - Very Bright Yellow = Surrender

2nd - Bright Yellow = Collaborate

3rd - Yellow = Run

4th - Pale Yellow = Hide


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Re: France the enemy of democracy [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4387667 - 07/09/05 08:39 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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scatmanrav said:
Funny, I always thought we (the US) are the biggest enemy of democracy..learn something new everything :smile:



I've thought that too. My eyes have been opened.


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Re: France the enemy of democracy [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4389554 - 07/10/05 01:11 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I guess exiles would agree with the occupation. After all they arn't being shot at and getting bombs dropped on them.

Perhaps if they'd had the balls to stay in Iraq and fight for democracy instead of cutting and running we could take them a little more seriously.


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Re: France the enemy of democracy [Re: IsaacHunt]
    #4390684 - 07/10/05 09:51 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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IsaacHunt said:
I guess exiles would agree with the occupation. After all they arn't being shot at and getting bombs dropped on them.

Perhaps if they'd had the balls to stay in Iraq and fight for democracy instead of cutting and running we could take them a little more seriously.




Many tried to fight against Saddam Hussein, but ended up here: http://massgraves.info/

The right thing to do was/is to get the western democracies involved, including going to war to overthrow Saddam Hussein's regime.


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Re: France the enemy of democracy [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4391181 - 07/11/05 01:44 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Many tried to fight against Saddam Hussein

And many were corrupt liars, fraudsters and murderers like Chalabi and Allawi who were unable to gain enough power for their liking while Saddam was there.


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Re: France the enemy of democracy [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4391396 - 07/11/05 03:51 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

they sent a carbon copy to "white house, washington DC"
lol


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Re: France the enemy of democracy [Re: phreedom420]
    #4547565 - 08/17/05 06:57 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: France the enemy of democracy [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4547726 - 08/17/05 07:35 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I don't like French foreign policy, but sometimes I think i would fit in well there. 35 hour work week sounds nice.


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