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ThePredator
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Re: marijuana mental illness??? [Re: ManicDelirium]
#4587783 - 08/27/05 03:20 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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pheonix unless of course you smoke enough hash to hallucinate, thens its like any hallucogen and can cause psychosis, but were taling about 5 grams of very potent hash.
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Oakbear
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Re: marijuana mental illness??? [Re: Jabbawaya]
#4587955 - 08/27/05 04:13 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jabbawaya said: My personal opinion is simply this: if you're a fucked up individual, don't do drugs. If you have a history of mental illness, don't do drugs. I mean, if you still want to, go ahead--you may end up totally fine--but the difference is that you are more likely to have problems. If you're otherwise healthy, do it if you like, just take everything in moderation.
Drugs (especially entheogens) can do wonderful things for a person and dramatically improve someone's life and perspectives, but only if you treat them with respect.

And Jabbawaya, i agree that tobacco use may be resultant from stress and environmental condiditions (such as wards where there is little else to do!). I do find the research in this area interessting though, as i'm sure there's more to it than meets the eye, especially given the issues with smoking in some dementias. I mean Zyban was formulated as an antipsychotic and shares many characteristics......
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Re: marijuana mental illness??? [Re: ThePredator]
#4587984 - 08/27/05 04:21 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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ThePredator said: pheonix unless of course you smoke enough hash to hallucinate, thens its like any hallucogen and can cause psychosis, but were taling about 5 grams of very potent hash.
Sorry, that isn't very clear.
Do you mean hallucinagens as a group won't cause psychosis, or hash only will if you smoke enough to hallucinate?
Either of those is inaccurate. MDMA is about the only hallucinogen where there is evidence for CAUSING psychosis in anything but the short term (in VERY rare cases). Cannabis has a more dramatic and detrimental effect on 'psychotic states' than just about any hallucinogen in terms of outcome (although this could be related to patterns of use). Sure if you're smoking enough to hallucinate it's an indicator you're doing too much, but smaller amounts can have an effect in some people.
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Re: marijuana mental illness??? [Re: ManicDelirium]
#4588004 - 08/27/05 04:30 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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ManicDelirium said: All very true Jabbawaya ...
Genetics do take part in mental illness but there are many cases where this isn't the case...Such as PTSD, depression, and OCD all can cause different forms of schizophrenia to form without genetic predisposition..
Not true i'm afraid.
There are biological/genetic theories for each of these conditions.
Whilst they may be comorbid with schizophrenia, be vulnerabilites to likelyhood of psychosis, or linked to other condtions such as psychotic depresion, none could be said to be a cause of schizophrenia.
It is worth remebering that there are some theories which state schizophrenia is entirely psychological, although these are generally long out of vogue.
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Re: marijuana mental illness??? [Re: Oakbear]
#4588177 - 08/27/05 05:40 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not true i'm afraid.
There are biological/genetic theories for each of these conditions.
I'm sorry I didn't word it right...They can be caused by genetics...But I was giving an example where those illnesess can not be linked by genetics itself...
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Whilst they may be comorbid with schizophrenia, be vulnerabilites to likelyhood of psychosis, or linked to other condtions such as psychotic depresion, none could be said to be a cause of schizophrenia.
And I stated that those illnesess may cause someone to "form" schizophrenia. Not cause them to get schizophrenia.
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Edited by ManicDelirium (08/27/05 05:57 PM)
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Oakbear
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Re: marijuana mental illness??? [Re: ManicDelirium]
#4588233 - 08/27/05 06:03 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Schizophrenia can't be linked by genetics itself. There's plenty of of evidence to suggest it might, but nothing hard and fast. Similar in conditions such as depression and OCD.
What do you mean by 'form of schizophrenia'? Do you mean some of the symptoms of those illnesses might be similar to some symptoms of schizophrenia? Or a more literal thing of 'depression can lead to psychotic depression'? Still a bit tenous i think, as it's bit of a chicken and egg arguement.
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Re: marijuana mental illness??? [Re: Oakbear]
#4588298 - 08/27/05 06:27 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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I didn't mean to come across as saying "Schizophrenia can't be linked by genetics itself". I was returning to my previous post saying that "sometimes" genetics aren't the case all the time..There are many factors I'm aware of where this can take into place...It can be caused by both genetics and enviromental influences or one by itself
I was talking in terms of different forms of schizophrenia not as in terms of those illnesses having related symptoms...
and as with any other illness if the illness isn't taken care of in earlier stages it may escalate to create other illnesses linked together which are aggravated by the previous illness. Not usually meaning that it causes those secondary illnesses..
Sorry...I have a hard time in English as in terms of potraying what im thinking..
Good information though in the previous posts + 5 's
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Edited by ManicDelirium (08/27/05 06:42 PM)
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ThePredator
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Re: marijuana mental illness??? [Re: ManicDelirium]
#4588413 - 08/27/05 06:51 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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I meant like other hallucogens enough hash will give the smae risk for psychosis (even non-permenent psychosis is bad).
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Re: marijuana mental illness??? [Re: ThePredator]
#4590182 - 08/28/05 03:16 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Manic - yeah cool. Mental illness is very complex, and the interactions between gentics, psychology, biology and environment aren't fully understood. Likwise the links between certain conditions. And you're right that it's good advice to take any condition which causes you distress or issues seriously.
Predator, actually has has a higher risk in some people. But yeah, any psychosis is not good....
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