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 Revelation ॐ   Registered: 08/04/01 Posts: 6,135 Loc: heart cave |
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Well i suppose it had to happen eventually...not quite sure what to make of it though.
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Ishmael enthusiast  Registered: 10/28/99 Posts: 224 |
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Would the US destroy a civilian transport that was intended to be used as a weapon against a military or civil institution (such as the white house)? Yes. 'Sacrifice' for the 'Greater Good'. Did they do so on flight 93? Don't rely on any one source, especially not the corporate media. Keep digging if this issue resonates for you.
One suspicious bit though, during the President's most recent adress to the nation, he quoted the young man who lead the 'rebellion' upon flight 93 as saying: 'the lord's prayer and "Let's roll." When did we get such information? On the 11th, no where in the news was there any such quote? This wouldn't be recorded by a cockpit voice recorder, and he certainly wouldn't be saying this into a cell phone. It sounded contrived to me, a bit of spontaneous patriotic rhetoric. But it also lends to the theory that we're being painted an optimistic picture of what occured on flight 93 rather than being told the literal truth. Does this really matter? What would the ramifications of this be if it were true? Would it change anything? Or would the public merely accept it as one of those grim new realities concerned with war? I'm pretty sure that they would just accept it, shrug, and go back to doing what's easiest - go with the flow. Ish
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Ulysees Power of Lard  Registered: 10/06/01 Posts: 5,060 |
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I'd been thinking about such a "rebellion". How many terrorists were on each plane? How many americans? Why couldn't the terrorists be overthrown? All they had were box cutters and maybe knives or something (no guns). If terrorists hijacked my plane and steered it towards a builidng, I'd like to think I could throw my measley life at them, and that most people would be apt to follow. I don't want to offend anyone, but why are americans bragging about how brave they are, how strong in the "face of terror"... Why couldn't they take back a plane from someone who surely must have been greatly outnumbered? Honestly, I find it pathetic. Of course I'm no expert on these issues... I've been looking at those links, I don't know what to make of it yet. I wouldn't buy into it too heavily, but I'm glad people are questioning things.
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 foo tsonoqua  Registered: 08/21/01 Posts: 101 Last seen: 18 years, 7 months |
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From: http://www.rense.com/general15/ww.htm ]
"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen aknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." - Michael Rivero The time has come to stop using the flag as a blindfold, to stop waving our guns and our gods at each other, to take a close look at the facts which have emerged from the attacks on the World Trade Towers and to recognize the very real possibility, indeed probability, that We The People are the victims of a gigantic and deadly hoax. In a normal terrorist event, the terrorists cannot wait to take credit, in order to link the violence to the socio-political intent of the terrorist organization. Yet the prime suspect in the New York Towers case, ex (?) CIA asset Osama Bin Laden (whose brother is one of George W. Bush's Texas business partners), has issued only two statements regarding the September 11th attacks, and both of those are denials of any involvement. Huge problems are emerging in the official view of events. It's known that the United States was planning an invasion of Afghanistan long before the attacks on the World Trade Towers. Indeed the attacks on the World Trade Towers perfectly fit the timetable of an invasion by October stated by US officials just last summer. The 19 names of suspected hijackers released by the FBI don't point to Afghanistan. They come from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, United Arab Emirates; all across the middle east without a focus in any one region. Indeed, even as the FBI was admitting that its list of 19 names was based solely on identifications thought to have been forged, Saudi Arabia's Foreign Minister Prince Saudi Al-Faisal insisted that an investigation in Saudi Arabia showed that the 5 Saudi men were not aboard the four jetliners that crashed in New York, Virginia and Pennsylvania on September 11. "It was proved that five of the names included in the FBI list had nothing to do with what happened," Al-Faisal told the Arabic Press in Washington after meeting with U.S. President George W. Bush at the White House. A sixth identified hijacker is also reported to still be alive in Tunisia, while a 7th named man died two years ago! In a recent development, the BBC is reporting that the transcript of a phone call made by Flight Attendant Madeline Amy Sweeney to Boston air traffic controls shows that the flight attendant gave the seat numbers occupied by the hijackers, seat numbers which were NOT the seats of the men the FBI claimed were responsible for the hijacking! FBI Chief Robert Mueller admitted on September 20 and on September 27 that at this time the FBI has no legal proof to prove the true identities of the suicidal hijackers. Yet in the haste to move forward on the already planned war in Afghanistan, our government and the FBI (which does not have the best record for honesty in investigations to begin with, having been caught rigging lab tests, manufacturing testimony in the Vincent Foster affair, and illegally withholding/destroying evidence in the Oklahoma Bombing case) are not taking too close a look at evidence that points away from the designated suspect, ex(?) CIA asset Osama Bin Laden. In particular, the FBI, too busy harassing political dissenters to find spies in its midst, the long rumored mole inside the White House, or plug leaks in high-tech flowing to foreign nations, has willfully and criminally ignored the implications of some vital pieces of information the FBI is itself waving around at the public. We are being told that this crack team of terrorists, able to breeze past airport security as if it wasn't there, wound up leaving so much evidence in its wake that the bumbling Inspector Clouseau (or the FBI) could not fail to stumble over it. The locations where the terrorists supposedly stayed are so overloaded with damning materials that they resemble less a crimes scene, and more a "B" detective movie set, with vital clues always on prominent display for the cameras. Yet another problem lies with the described actions of the hijackers themselves. We are being told on the one hand that these men were such fanatical devotees of their faith that they willingly crashed the jets they were flying into buildings. Yet on the other hand, we are being told that these same men spent the night before their planned visit to Allah drinking in strip bars, committing not just one, but two mortal sins which would keep them out of Paradise no matter what else they did. Truly devout Muslims would spend the day before a suicide attack fasting and praying. Not only does the drinking in strip bars not fit the profile of a fanatically religious Muslim willing to die for his cause, but the witness reports of the men in the bars are of men going out of their way to be noticed and remembered, while waving around phony identifications. Because of the facts of the phony identifications, we don't really know who was on those planes. What we do know is that the men on those planes went to a great deal of trouble to steal the identities of Muslims, and to make sure those identities were seen and remembered, then to leave a plethora of planted clues around, such as crop dusting manuals, and letters in checked baggage (why does a terrorist about to die need to check baggage?) that "somehow" didn't get on the final, fatal, flight. Fake terror is nothing new. According to recently released files, our government planned Operation NORTHWOODS to stage phony terror attacks against American citizens in the wake of the Bay Of Pigs, to anger Americans into support for a second invasion of Cuba. The plan was spiked by JFK. If our government has ever actually carried out such plans to stage phony terror attacks, the documents have remained classified. But given the reality of Operation NORTHWOODS, or the manner in which FDR maneuvered Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor, one cannot rule out the possibility that, once again, the people of the United States are being lied to by their own government, to manufacture consent for a war of invasion already being discussed with other nations the previous summer. It is also quite possible, indeed likely, that the United States is being spoofed by a third party to trigger a war. It has happened before. According to Victor Ostrovsky, a defector from Israel's secret service, Mossad, Israel decided to mount a false flag operation designed to further discredit Libya, and provoke the US to attack an Arab nation. A transmitter loaded with pre-recorded messages was planted in Tripoli, Libya, by a Mossad team. The `Trojan Horse' beamed out fake messages about Libyan-authorized bombings and planned attacks that were immediately intercepted by US electronic monitoring. Convinced by this disinformation that Libya was behind the 1986 bombing of a Berlin disco in which a US soldier died, President Ronald Reagan ordered massive air attacks on Libya, including an obvious- and illegal (under US law) attempt to assassinate Qadaffi himself. Some 100 Libyan civilians were killed, including Qadaffi's two year old daughter. Libyan officials had no idea why they were attacked. It is worth remembering the motto of the Mossad is, "By way of deception, thou shalt do war." Whether they were involved in the attacks or not, it cannot be doubted that Israel has benefited from the attacks in New York. While world attention is focused on what the US will do in Afghanistan, Israel has escalated its attacks against Palestinians towns. Israel has repeatedly tried to claim that Palestinians were involved in the New York attacks, hoping to bury the Palestinian cause under the rubble of the World Trade Towers. Because of the faked IDs and stolen identities, we don't really know who planned the World Trade Towers attacks. We only know who they wanted us to blame. And we know that the United States has been tricked in the past into bombing someone who did not deserve the attack, and that those who were bombed then embarked on what from their point of view was justified retaliation that culminated over Lockerbie. And while bombs were falling and planes were crashing, Israel was laughing at us that we had been so easily fooled into bombing Israel's targets for them. Are we being hoaxed again, by Israel, or by our own government, or by both? It's impossible to rule that out. Right now there are a lot of people who want war. Oil companies want Afghanistan's petroleum products. Our corporations want "friendlier" markets. The CIA wants all that opium. And all those war-mongers, with all their greed and agendas, will not hesitate in the least to pour your tax dollars and your children's blood all over Afghanistan, to get those "friendlier" markets, oil, and opium. Because of the vested interests at work here, American citizens must, more than at any other time in recent history, rely on themselves to decide what is happening in our nation. Too many of those who purport to report the "truth" to us are eager to grab more tax money and more children to pour into a war of invasion, poised at a region which has swallowed up every army that has tried to conquer it since the time of Alexander The Great. And one more thing. Take a good look at the map of Eurasia and plot out where the United States has military deployments. They march in a straight line through the middle of Eurasia, Macedonia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenia, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan. The United States is prepared to cut the Russian Federation off from the oil rich middle east, and to control transportation routes from China and India into the Middle East. When Russia realizes that this is the real agenda,that's when "Dubya Dubya Three" will really get going! --- End forwarded message --- -------------------- "I get up, I walk, I fall down. Meanwhile, I keep dancing."
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Ulysees Power of Lard Registered: 10/06/01 Posts: 5,060 |
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You serious about this stuff foo? I didn't know there was a planned invasion on Afghanistan. Interesting.
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Timeleech addict Registered: 10/04/01 Posts: 590 Loc: Norway Last seen: 21 years, 4 months |
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Another suspicious bit to my paranoid mind is that before the incident only 48% of the americans thought he did a good job, after it was up to 98%
Can anyone confirm this? I think I might have the numbers misremembered. It seems too much. I will probably get a beating for saying this, but what if the whole thing was planned by the U.S. itself? The shadow government. I think this whole incident will do much to increase the christian/muslim tension (don't give me the crap about this not being a religious war) and even potentiate and accelerate the move towards globalisation and ever increasing control of the masses. I have seen one excuse after the other for controlling people. Every one says it is for the better good and for the safety of us all. This is the best excuse they ever had to impose more control I don't truly believe this thoug, but it might be a possibility. I wouldn't hold americans too good to sacrifice a few thousand of their own for something like this. The end justifies the means. I am split: Are there any conspiracies? Are they just for money, or is there something more? I love a good mystery...
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Ulysees Power of Lard Registered: 10/06/01 Posts: 5,060 |
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Timeleetch, I'm hearing what you're saying... I don't know if their's some massive conspiracy, but it's not out of the question, and it's an interesting thought. I don't have the resources to really pursue this though.
I also read that Bush is now the most loved President of all time! A few months ago, at least half the population hated him. It's now figured that Gore probably would have won the election had they recounted the ballots, but for some reason that is of no concern. Whatever. This stuff is extremely messed up. (Ignorance is bliss, and I'm going crazy...) --------------------
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MokshaMan enthusiast Registered: 03/12/01 Posts: 280 |
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His approval rating went up to the low 90s, high 80s.
>>what if the whole thing was planned by the U.S. itself? Do you seriously for one second think that the US would plan something like this to commit on it's own people? Do you think the government would take such a risk knowing that if even 1 little thing went wrong they would be found out and be forcefully removed by the masses from power? Would they really risk a new "French Revolution" for a new millennium? Sorry if I have my doubts about the US planning this attack. Do I think that it's possible that the US knew and did nothing? Of course, the government has done such things before. If this is the case do I think that the US is to blame for the deathes of all involved? Certainly, that doesn't mean that actually trained and came up with the idea. >> (don't give me the crap about this not being a religious war) I've yet to hear anyone explain this to me when I put it to them like this; if this is a religious war, then why are we being supported by Muslims and supporting Muslims? While I agree that this current conflict will strain US/Muslim relations for the short term, if the US does the "right" things in the long run it will strengthen our relationship. The Northen Alliance is made up mainly of those that practice Islam and if we're supporting them, doesn't this make the issue of Christian vs. Muslim null and void? If not, then what about the support from Pakistan and Turkey, two nations where over 90% of the population is Muslim? I hope that you don't take this as an attack, I just want to understand the explaination of how this is a religious war if it's not 1 religion against another with the goal of wiping out the other religion. As for the US planning to invade Afghanistan before the attacks, this should bother all of us. It was reported by the BBC, so I'd say it's a fairly reliable source. If I had to guess, I'd say it's because they had already planned on removing the Taliban and destroying Al Queda before they could do any more damage to the US, such as the attacks on the African Embassies and the USS Cole. Oh yeah, and the desire for an oil pipeline in the area(by both the US and Russia, notice how the US and Russian governments are changing their policies for the "better" towards one another. I think this is one of the many problems with the above opinion piece). Have to have a stable government for that, don't we? There's also the opium trade that Europe, Russia and China want destroyed since this is where more of the herion and opium in these markets comes from(not really sure why the US should care since almost none of the opium and herion from these countries reaches the US). -------------------- Men can only be happy when they do not assume that the object of life is happiness. -- George Owell Edited by MokshaMan (11/13/01 01:20 AM)
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Ulysees Power of Lard Registered: 10/06/01 Posts: 5,060 |
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I find it extremely dirty that the government has gone to hollywood to "promote" (I wonder how) these things: Enlisting. I guess they think it would be cool if mainstream movies were yet another "Be all you can be" commercial. (It's not enough that they actually show them before the movies now.)
Promoting that this is in fact a war on terrorism, and not islam. The fact that they went down there and told hollywood to do this is just dirty. dirty dirty dirty. Something else I can't remember but struck an equally repulsive chord with me. I'm not even American! Unfortunately I have the pleasure of watching all your wonderful movies... (ok, some of them are good.) IS IT JUST ME OF IS THIS DIRTY! About the conspiracy, I'm also skeptical that the US would have organised it, but there have been some very interesting comments coming from the old head of the pentagon and the like. Remeber Pearl Harbour? Something was needed to justify a nuclear attack, and that thing happened... I also find the new developments with Bin Laden very intersting. Sounds like there's been some heavy propaganda spewing over here in the wild wild west. --------------------
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MokshaMan enthusiast Registered: 03/12/01 Posts: 280 |
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I won't disagree with you about the use of hollywood... but maybe it'll help some other countries build bigger film industries... I doubt it. Hollywood has gone pro-US during times of conflict before, look at the movies that came out during WWII. It's called self-preservation.
As for the Pearl Harbour thing, the atomic bomb had not even been invented at the time; however, the US government clearly allowed the attack to take place because it wanted to be involved in the war. I'm not going to try to justify the horror that the US inflicted upon the world, specifically Japan. Nothing could justify the use of such things and the damage they inflict. -------------------- Men can only be happy when they do not assume that the object of life is happiness. -- George Owell
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Ulysees Power of Lard Registered: 10/06/01 Posts: 5,060 |
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hmmm, history isn't my strongest point (it seems I have a few of these points). But, like you, I know what I can't accept.
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Timeleech addict Registered: 10/04/01 Posts: 590 Loc: Norway Last seen: 21 years, 4 months |
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>Do you seriously for one second think that the US would plan something like this to commit on it's own people?
I do believe it could be, but don't misunderstand me, I don't think it is true. I was just thinking along the lines of heavy conspiracy stuff. You know, shadow governments, new world order and such. I like to speculate on such ideas just for the fact that sometimes they can make sense (well, to me anyway). I have no doubt that america would sacrifice some of its people though. I am no too much into the details, but under Vietnam soldiers got exposed to various chems. Soldiers were also exposed to nuclear radiation in the US. Then there's the thing about the CIA drug-trading. And we have MK-Ultra etc. There is a lot of shit going on that you will never know. >why are we being supported by Muslims and supporting Muslims? Of course not 100% of the muslims will be for or against. I think it is a fanatical hardcore group of muslims, and they have a holy war agenda going on. In my usual way of speculation I think it is possible that it escalates, and the 3rd world war will be mainly a war between "christian" and "muslim" countries. As for the support from Pakistan, do you not know that most of the population there support the Taliban? The government there is under heavy pressure to end their support for america. Thousands of young men in pakistan want to become soldiers and fight the U.S. There is a real threat of a revolt in pakistan, and they have nuclear weapons, and when the taliban gets its hand on those the fun begins for real... >I hope that you don't take this as an attack, I appreciate your "attack" :), that way I can try to refine my thoughts and make them clearer both to myself and to you. >I just want to understand the explaination of how this is a religious war if it's not 1 religion against another with the goal of wiping out the other religion. It is not a religious war in the sense that two religions seek to wipe one another out. It is a religious war in the sense that the two sides are mailny christian and mainly muslim. My intuition tells me that this can very soon develope into a full-fledged religious war, even if it is being disguised.
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ArCh_TemPlaR enthusiast Registered: 07/15/01 Posts: 200 Last seen: 22 years, 8 months |
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The noids who wrote this article: In reply to: If he/she is Miss Cleo, I'm St. Nicholas - and a... Ho Ho Ho Christmas must come early for these people. :P This is the usual tripe I see with the 'noid's conspiracy theory filled with a morass of personal agendas, masked by the-ever-so-elegant fruitless theory. *Note: when I say Christmas I mean today is not so, has not happened yet. The same goes for this (uh) story.. Who knows what these people will say next.. Oh.. Maybe Kissinger, the ol fart, is behind all this conspiracy, intrigue, and corruption! Hah Since these usual stories always imply a subtle slant that Bush is insidiously 'involved' in the conspiracy's food-chain, I'll come to his defense.. My impression is he's way more honest, has more integrity and more character than Clinton and Gore comebined. I based my thoughts as an amateur graphoanalyst (handwriting analysis). I've analyzed Bush's writing, he doesn't have the characteristics of a deceiver (no double loops in 'o's) or greed mongering power mongrel (sharp descending long lead-in strokes or ascending-regressing end-strokes). He is a visionary (high+ t-bars in 't's), which could pose some problems for him since some of his objectives are quite lofty (disconnected high t-bar in 't's). His signature, in his last name representing family and the father figure, the first letter (B) is rather unusual. It looks similar to the number 3 with a loop. The letter b with an inner loop represents solid integrity of ethics and morals, yet it's sort of incomplete.. His value system has yet to be tested, so to speak. I could keep listing positive attributes but that is simply beyond the scope of this discussion. I'll have to write a book in here to show how solid graphoanalysis is and dissect every detail of his writing further. As for the Tim McVeigh's innocence this article is so ever implicit points to, he has the characteristics of a fanatical believer (paranoid, propensity for violence, deeply and negatively introverted). As for Osama, when I see his handwriting, I will have a good idea who he is or what he is (ex-asset or not). I await a rebuttal or questions.. :o)
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MokshaMan enthusiast Registered: 03/12/01 Posts: 280 |
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>> I have no doubt that america would sacrifice some of its people though.
I have no doubt they would either, plus I didn't say they wouldn't, you clearly listed some examples and there are more if you look long enough. I just find it doubtful that the US would slaughter this many of its own people in this manner with the whole world watching. Most of the things the government has done against its citizenry has been hidden covert stuff. I mean even the Nazis and Stalin knew not to do decimate the masses in public. The mass destruction of human life perpetrated by these countries was mainly done in camps far from the prying eyes of civilization. This is right in front of everyone, and it's not like the assassination of one person or a few people(much easier to cover up). This would be impossible to cover up forever and if it turns out it was done by the government... bring out the guilitines and line the fuckers up! >> As for the support from Pakistan, do you not know that most of the population there support the Taliban? I don't really care, there's a military dictator(more or less) in charge of the country(with troops loyal to him in charge of the important places, such as the nuclear weapons). He'll keep the citizens in line or kill them(sad, but true). Either way, I'm not really worried about it. And if there's another group of Pashtuns(sp?) that rise up to fight the Taliban, my guess is that Pakistan's citizens will have tribal divides arise and remove any real danger of revolt. The US needs that to happen because we can't just depend on an ethnic minority(not the there really is a "majority"(over 50%)) to take the whole country. Of course if that doesn't happen and the US and its allies(UN possibly, but I tend to doubt the UN will get involved with the current state of affairs in Afghanistan) is unable to feed the people in areas controled by the North Alliance... well there may be trouble. >> My intuition tells me that this can very soon develope into a full-fledged religious war Not if it continues as it has... while there are those people that are upset with the US and its tactics, no one is really giving the Taliban any support. If the US decides to invade Iraq(we're already attacking them fairly regularly for "violations," btw did anyone else see that Iraq was shelling Kuwait recently... trying to bait the US I'll bet), I'll worry about a religious war. Let's hope that if Iraq was involved, something can be hammered out diplomatically(although I really wish the coalition would have let the US remove "Pres." Hussien in the first place). -------------------- Men can only be happy when they do not assume that the object of life is happiness. -- George Owell Edited by MokshaMan (11/13/01 05:50 PM)
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Amoeba665 strange Registered: 05/23/00 Posts: 275 Loc: a hidden microut Last seen: 12 years, 6 months |
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I'm not certain as to what's going on right now, but what I am certain is that there are a lot of important things happening behind the scenes. Below are a few quotes from Lyndon Larouche regarding the terrorist attacks. I'm not sure whether he's correct. But his explanations do make sense, and there's no debating that he is definitely a brilliant man who has done his homework and paid his dues for his blunt allegations in past decades (he has been politically active for over 27 years). He also warned of the danger of terrorist attacks back in August.
Here are a few excerpts... there is plenty more at http://www.larouchein2004.com Excerpt from a 9/11 interview: LaRouche: Take Osama bin Laden: [He] was created by the U.S., British, and Israeli intelligence services, as a part of the so-called Afghan operations. He still is a controlled asset of those interests, which are largely buried in the special covert operations section. Now, of course, obviously, our military, top military, had nothing to do with this. But there are people who are ``off the reservation,'' as we saw reflected in the Oklahoma City bombing, and there are people off the reservations who are used, who are deniable.... Announcer: Well now, who are the people though, that would, I mean, are you saying these people are domestic terrorists in the United States? LaRouche: No, they're not terrorists. These are not terrorists. They may terrify people, but they are not terrorists. That is, the idea that this is an international terrorist operation, is utter nonsense, and it's very dangerous to go looking for the wrong adversary, and ignore the right one. The point is, there are certain people, very powerful people, behind the scenes in various governments: the British government, the U.S. government, the Israeli government--not Sharon, I don't think Sharon would have had anything to do with this--but, who are determined to have the United States take the nature of the conflict between certain people in Israel and the surrounding neighbors, and use that to involve the United States in a geopolitical conflict in the Middle East. And some of the reaction of the suckers, including the President of the United States, who doesn't really know too much, who was pushed in that direction yesterday. Announcer: So, you're not buying the conventional wisdom here, as to this being Osama bin Laden, or anyone else? LaRouche: I doubt that there's any wisdom behind the people who think so. I think the point is, anybody who understands -- Look, there were certain features of these developments yesterday, which immediately attracted all of our attention. I had over the, since then, since yesterday morning, I've been reaching out to old, high-level military and intelligence people around the world, including Russia, as well as Western Europe and elsewhere, and we put together, from the U.S. side, and from these areas, a very good cross-check picture of what happened. It could not happen -- Look, the United States could not have done that to the Soviet Union during the high point of the conflict of the Cold War. We didn't have the capability to do to the Soviet Union {then}, what was done to us yesterday. Introduction to 9/18 press release: Presidential pre-candidate Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. gave an extensive interview today to the newsweekly Executive Intelligence Review (EIR), stressing the grave dangers, but also the tremendous opportunities, facing the world in the wake of the onrushing financial collapse and the first in what will probably be a series of attacks against the United States by rogue networks within the United States, whose aim is an eventual coup d'?tat against the U.S. government. EIR is a international newsweekly of which Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. is the founder and contributing editor. ** Please keep this in mind: "Just because you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you." on a side note, I suppose I should add this excerpt to give an idea of Larouche's character. ** Excerpt from 11/12 press release: To make it very short. I, like Plato's Socrates, and like Moses Mendelssohn, believe in the efficient principle of cognitive truthfulness. I, like Mendelssohn, have my own belief, but I am also ecumenical. I believe that we must tell the truth about ourselves and our beliefs to others. If someone says, tell me, most simply, "How do you know Jesus Christ?" I reply, "I was there when the congregation assembled for the experience of J.S. Bach's setting of the Passion according to Matthew." I can then say, as I have said truthfully many times over past decades: "Trust me because I am truthful. Let us work today, united by devotion to the same cognitive principle of truthfulness which is typical of experimentally validated discovery of universal physical principle, to address the common problems and aims of all mankind." Do what I do, as John Paul II does what he does. The essential truth is that we are human, and must love one another as the members of that unique species made in the likeness of the Creator of this universe. There is no problem which is not obliged to be solved by application of the Socratic principle of cognitive truthfulness. Our lying mass media may disagree with me, but, in my life-long experience, really hide-bound liars usually do. If you refuse that ecumenical approach, I think you will suffer the awful penalty you and your entire tribe will bring upon themselves, as fallen empires of the past has been doomed by their own like folly. -------------------- ---
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MokshaMan enthusiast Registered: 03/12/01 Posts: 280 |
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>> I tend to doubt the UN will get involved with the current state of affairs in Afghanistan
Wanted to correct myself, apparently the UN is already trying to send aid into Afghanistan. -------------------- Men can only be happy when they do not assume that the object of life is happiness. -- George Owell
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D_Tox Boddhisattva  Registered: 10/31/01 Posts: 239 Loc: Lab 23 Last seen: 21 years, 10 months |
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Bush is the worst president..... ever.
It takes a lot not to be only stupid, but evil as well. The only thing that matters to Bush is $, and his ego of course. He won the presidency through manipulation. He is a bastard. -------------------- ----------------------- D_Tox to understand other people….to be aware to understand animals….to be a decent person to understand plants….. to be a refined individual to understand the mushroom…to be enlightened
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