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InvisibleSilversoul
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Conspiracies and why they work
    #5772326 - 06/20/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, I know this is going to put me on the lunatic fringe for a lot of you, but it's a point I think needs to be made. A lot of people dismiss conspiracy theories simply out of the notion that the government can't keep a secret. Afterall, if they can't cover up an affair with an intern, how can they cover up more sinister things? Well, the thing is that people have come to expect politicians to lie, cheat, and steal. If I suggest that a politician is in the pocket of the oil companies, or is cheating on his wife, no one is surprised. But if you suggest, for example, that the government staged an attack on its own people in order to go to war, people will either reject the idea, OR if they agree with it, they will keep silent about it, for fear of being labeled a conspiracy theorist. It is precisely this expectation of conformity to social standards that allows governments to get away with cover-ups. Those conspiracy theorists who do speak out often reinforce the stigma by making it out to be bigger than it is. For example, Roswell was a cover-up, but it didn't have to do with an alien spacecraft. Rather, it was a secret military spy balloon(not a weather balloon, as the government officially claimed). I guess what I'm getting at here is that we believe what we are conditioned to believe, out of a need for social acceptance.


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Re: Conspiracies and why they work [Re: Silversoul]
    #5772348 - 06/20/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

In a hyper-media-saturated environment, conspiracy theories are the New God®! Either that, or they are a 1/72 scale model in my basement... :wink:


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Re: Conspiracies and why they work [Re: Silversoul]
    #5772451 - 06/20/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I keep a very open mind about this topic. I have an inherent distrust of anyone in a management position and know they are capable of great dishonesty and they mostly have a supremacist viewpoint and a general disregard for the fate of those they govern; no matter what propaganda they may spew. I also know that they are often either real stupid or they tell so many lies that they can't keep track of them and so flub up sooner rather than later. But they can count on the forgiveness of most common men who aspire to be in their position.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Conspiracies and why they work [Re: Icelander]
    #5772508 - 06/20/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I just learned that in 1974 we discovered that marijuana kills tumors. The research was cut and suppressed... and only leaked in 2000!!!!! (this means the pharmaceuticals want us dying from cancer and are trying to reinvent the wheel, rather than using God's herb)

And still we are fighting a war on medical marijuana.

I don't want to go digging in the shadows of our nation, because what's down there is just as made up as it is real, and just as terrifying as is the real truth.

Terrorists really good at blowing up skyscrapers? That's a huge threat.... or government really good at killing it's own people.... that's a huge threat too!!! Or aliens mainpulating government! Huger threat....

There is no real set absolute truth when the government lies and covers up, forcing you to put the pieces together. What if they are feeding us disinformatoin to make us paranoid and conspiracy crazy? What if this NWO stuff is propogated by the CIA to make us terrified that the nation is run by Satanic cultish alien-contacted beings.... so we are too scared to search for the truth, and so we seem completely unbelievable?

But fuck man..... looks like marijuana can cure cancer, and we've known forever.

Just makes you wonder.

The official story, the official spin, some fat white republican Christian that is probably being lied to about the truth, he's the poster boy and he says "Well now people using illegal drugs to be healthy? That's just absurd, we know marijuana is very dangerous." and without the internet.... without free speech and free media... with only radio and tv stations covering THEIR ANGLE..

marijuana IS harmful... but what the posterboy of genocide against plants doesn't know is that he's being lied to...... but someone, somewhere, does know that marijuana is good for you, and they are suppressing the findings... and feeding lies.

They feed lies to people who think they are true, and then these people are called "experts" and allowed to testify their propogandas wholeheartedly, because they truely believe the propoganda.

How can the consumer ever know anything?

All conspiracy theories are true, you can prove anything with them.... and all government stories are true, too...... aren't they? You can prove everything with the Bible, apparently, if you are convinced enough that one key staple of the angle is true, and work on letting your brain put the rest of the patterns together....

informatoin and NEWS is dogma too!

What I'm saying is how do you compile truth? We know lots of things about 9/11 that are contrary to official story, but you can still spin them however you want, and prove many things just as well as the government can spin what they know and prove other things.

WE NEED TO TRUST EACH OTHER.

(government and citizens)

(and legalize the pot)


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InvisibleIcelander
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Re: Conspiracies and why they work [Re: leery11]
    #5772825 - 06/20/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

WE NEED TO TRUST EACH OTHER.

(government and citizens)



You are asking for the impossible IMO. I doubt I will ever be able to trust any govt. Some are better than others but if one gets too honest it will be brought low by the others. Hows that for conspiracy?

Trust your self and those you know well. Watch out for strangers but don't get paranoid. Hue recommended a book which I think is very good on this issue of who to trust. It's The Gift of Fear by Gavin De Becker. I highly recommend it to women. It's one of the best books I have ever come across on this subject. Maybe the best.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Conspiracies and why they work [Re: Silversoul]
    #5772851 - 06/20/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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they will keep silent about it, for fear of being labeled a conspiracy theorist




That's how anyone who gets away with pulling one over on people does. They call the one spilling the beans a crazy lunatic, or a liar or both and look for every way in the book to discredit them.

They play on the human need to be accepted and thought well of and it's an easy , almost sure fire card to play.

People don't start to believe and pay attention until a conspiracy agenda effects them negatively face on.

When millions lost their jobs and retirement funds, then it was easy to believe what Enron was up too. Had someone leaked it to the press that Enron was just shutting down power plants in California to "create a false energy crisis", they would have been called a lunatic paranoid nut case. It was the truth however and that's what they did to raise energy prices in that state, once they aquired the power companies and got legilsation passed to privatize them.

Exclusive shared in PAL that declassified document that proved the U.S. was creating false reasons to invade and attack Cuba. How many do you think read that and refuse to believe our government does this stuff?

Did you catch that interview on the History channel called "The Fog of War" on Robert S. McNamara, former U.S. Defence Sectretary? It was chilling. He said that from hindsight, he should've been tried for war crimes and he never was. He just cries a lot through the interview. He was a total pawn.

Well, the way I see it, the people who give us look sees behind the curtains are crazy, in a good and admirable way. They are the brave ones that stick their necks out there where others are to afraid to, to show us truths they have uncovered. :thumbup:

Silver, the spy balloon story is the governments cover up story. You beleive our goverment over the farmer who found the wreckage along with some near dead greys and went striaght to the Air Force with it? He said he was later threatened and told to keep his mouth shut about what he saw. He talked to his family about it though and his granddaughter talked after he died.

No need to debate anything here, I know the drill. Our government was telling the truth about how and why they staged the first cover up with the weather balloon to cover up that their own military reported to the news media that ET crash landed, I mean to cover up their use of spy balloons and that the farmer and his granddaughter are attention seeking lunatic whack jobs to be ignored.:thumbup:

I got to see the Nova special when it first aired that shoowed the orginal video coverage of ships shooting lazers at each other, before they cut off the live airing off the space shuttles video camera. It was awesome.

If it was just space junk that was being video taped, like they now claim, why did they have to cut airing? And if it was just space junk being video tapped in general like they now claim, why did they stop live broadcasts from the space shuttle video camera since that incident caught on film? They don't do it anymore. What are the keeping us from seeing? Why can't we watch live coverage of whats being filmed out there?

White House Press Secretary impersonation- "Um yes, we must protect the american people from discovering their is space debris floating around our planet. Yes thats it, that's why we stopped live coverage, space dust might scare them, ahem  :grin:" :rofl2:

The NASA physcists on the show said regarding the topic of interstellar travel, it is no longer a question of if we are being visited but how they are getting here.

Guess what, that show is no where to be found in there records now. And the footage I saw of the lazers in it is cut from all footage people are now showwing on the internet of the last live airing.

They can make evidence dissapear pretty fast. :thumbup: That's another reason why they get away with making people look like they are talking crazy. They wouldn't have all of the power they do to spend billions of our money (legitimately) on destroying things and killing Americans and Iraquis, in Iraq so Haliburton can legitmately make millions as well as the Oil Barrens, if they wern't good at scaring people blind and stupid.

Actually, I think they are quite sloppy with their cover ups and they can be because they have much of the populace scared blind and stupid or afraid to speak up and out.

:peace: :heart:


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Re: Conspiracies and why they work [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5772996 - 06/20/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Did you catch that interview on the History channel called "The Fog of War" on Robert S. McNamara, former U.S. Defence Sectretary?



Not only did I see it on the History Channel.  I saw it in theaters when it first came out.  Great movie. :thumbup:


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Re: Conspiracies and why they work [Re: Silversoul]
    #5773032 - 06/20/06 04:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You have to first consider the fact that the government is run by people no different then yourself. In such powerful positions one wrong move can bring us all down. I'd also like to point out that each individual that represents a piece of government are trying to control and manipulate the masses in their favor, and how easy it is to manipulate them then it is to have those non conformists destroy them. So it's a constant battle between individuals in the government and individuals who seek to control themselves.


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Re: Conspiracies and why they work [Re: Icelander]
    #5773142 - 06/20/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Icelander said:
WE NEED TO TRUST EACH OTHER.

(government and citizens)



You are asking for the impossible IMO. I doubt I will ever be able to trust any govt. Some are better than others but if one gets too honest it will be brought low by the others. Hows that for conspiracy?

Trust your self and those you know well. Watch out for strangers but don't get paranoid. Hue recommended a book which I think is very good on this issue of who to trust. It's The Gift of Fear by Gavin De Becker. I highly recommend it to women. It's one of the best books I have ever come across on this subject. Maybe the best.



my counselor lent that to me.

i dunno how it applies to governments though since they should be feared by any rational mind if they are coglomerating to get more power.

people with good information ought to find a way to start acessing the television.

i kept trying to tell my parents things, one of which being about diebold's voting machines and they kept saying "but you can find anything on the internet" bloody-blah.... [and yes who knows anything? I contend with that, but I think that is a reason to consider other angles to the official stories we are given] and so then i was watching my dad channel surf and he came across a tv program about the exact thing i was talking about! (on LINK something about 2004 voter fraud) he looked at the guide entry but didn't watch it.

hopefully something clicked in him though. i guess the tv can be used for good synchronicities.

if the TV says it they'll eat their hats but if it has to be researched.... well.... best left in the dark so we can't fret over it.

there's no need to fret and that is very true, but you should at least dig up enough informatoin to keep you from supporting tyranny, blindly all the way.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: Conspiracies and why they work [Re: Silversoul]
    #5776841 - 06/21/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The problem with most conspiracy theories is they lack evidence. It would be better to call them conspiracy hypotheses.


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