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Re: Conspiracy Theories vs. Conspiracy Actualities [Re: Clean]
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could someone who does not believe in a select global elite that 'controls' vast portions of the earth's power and resources please give us some evidence that it does not exist? Thanks.


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Re: Conspiracy Theories vs. Conspiracy Actualities [Re: EsKregg]
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EsKregg said:
could someone who does not believe in a select global elite that 'controls' vast portions of the earth's power and resources please give us some evidence that it does not exist? Thanks.


The purpose of this thread is to come with evidence not to ask for evidence... since this has already been asked by the nature of the thread itself.
I'm also having trouble getting your point.
How does double negation help?


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Re: Conspiracy Theories vs. Conspiracy Actualities [Re: MushroomTrip]
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The Robot’s Rebellion by David Icke
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-758681198696417932&q

JFK warns of secret government in America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkWkf0Hji_I

JFK’s bodyguards ordered off of his vehicle just before his assassination. And a brief summation of what happened after JFK’s untimely death. A video that has never been seen on TV (strangely enough).
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8679800714836537979&q


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Re: Conspiracy Theories vs. Conspiracy Actualities [Re: Clean]
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The more I think about this topic in general, the more I feel like intellectual pragmatism and perverted notions of logic aren't doing any good.

This is actually a very serious subject.

It deals with all the implications of our history which have been largely ignored, concealed or otherwise forgotten.

The more I think about it the more I am annoyed by calls for "debate".

Such a notion is born of forgetfulness of the memory of all our families who came before, and is born of unwillingness to seek out volumes of information that exist which help to illustrate the situation. Instead of doing serious work we want to just chat...

"Let's all sit around and have a nice chat about whether or not our entire race is being subjugated by a tiny group initiated to specific occult knowledge...you know it all seems so fanciful let's see if we can't hash it out eh? probably will turn out not to be true...yes, I'll brew the tea, it will all be very quaint won't it..."

Did our ancestors have time to debate the armies coming to kill them on behalf of some royal bloodlines?
Did they have time to debate the mind controlled fanatical murderers working at the behest of so called "Christian" occult hierarchy?
Did anyone care to seriously debate the merits of royalty while we were breaking our backs and paying our tax for whatever bloodthirsty dynasty was at the top of the pecking order?
Hell no.

Now that we actually do have time in our lives to debate, it's too damn late. They've had their way, and if you want to physically do something about it mind controlled armies stand at the ready to crush any uprising.

If you don't believe any of this might be true, then by all means go ahead and try to blindly stumble through the bumper lanes of life. Ignore all the big questions and do whatever it takes for you to believe you are happy. Forget about your ancestors that died fighting for and against the bastards, and all those who died as a result of their policies. Here, have a nice new iPod cell phone to drown out the rest of reality while you're stuck in traffic every day going to work. Forget about that nagging feeling of subtle uneasiness that prods your every waking moment.

Personally, I'd rather shatter my assumed notions of reality in my own consciousness first, so that when things start to physically crumble it won't be as much of a shock. I'd rather reclaim the understandings held by my ancestors which have since slipped away from us by all means of distraction and lies.

The elite families of old have been quietly working behind the stage. They have been directing our "education" from day one. Back before the American experiment began to bear fruit, we didn't have public schools anywhere. Literacy was controlled by the Church, and the Bible used to be for priest's eyes only. The first modern western schools were made possible by the church. You were incredibly lucky if you got to learn how to read at all, let alone a bible.
Is this not evidence that the few can and have exercised control over the many?
What reasons do we have to believe that such authority structures have done anything but change their outward disguise over the last few centuries?
How intimately have the church and the crown been intertwined throughout history?

In order to advance toward global hegemony the masses need to be largely ignorant of the big picture. But it's hard to keep new generations in the dark when their older peers know some kernels of truth. This is why all throughout history we see campaigns to utterly exterminate indigenous populations and anyone who makes no effort to hide their proclivities for wisdom of the ancients and of the eternal now. This explains every bloody "inquisition" as more than just sheer human stupidity. Is anyone willing to consider that we are more than just 3D biological machines? It's no surprise to me that so many are happy to just accept the idea that we are not, because that is how we have been treated by these families to who's authority we have become accustomed to bowing.

So, what's better for them than an ignorant plebian mass?
One that thinks they are educated.
But what is it when this "education" involves teaching pure acceptance of the current imposed societal systems? "Yes, The System is good - why else would it be The System? It's good because it does what it does."

Never mind the fact that the people telling you this are the ones who created the system in the first place and are benefiting the most from it. They will even tell you that it's the RIGHT of some to benefit much more than others because they somehow wanted it more and worked harder to get it.

But no, never mind the fact that we will happily believe what they say because inside we want to have a good system. Never mind the fact that the cogs of our belief and pride are mightily greased by the language used, like "Liberty and justice for all".

Never mind the fact that our psyche has literally been beaten into submission over generations of unimaginable violence. Never mind that we've gone numb and even turned on to sadism by our need to feel anything at all. Nope, we're just fucked up, psychically diseased animals incapable of treating each other and the environment in a sane manner.
Do you see the kind of brainwashing we have undergone?
Do you realize the kind of sickness we have allowed to seep into our consciousness?

It is dangerous to dwell in victim-hood. Yes there may be secret societies and groups of individuals exerting influence which serve to subjugate and dehumanize us, but it is our responsibility for going along with it. Our enemies know exactly how we tick, and they have exploited every weakness so that we may turn ourselves in to our own biggest obstacle in the way of truth and sovereignty.


Exhibit A:


Exhibit B:


Exhibit C:

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Re: Conspiracy Theories vs. Conspiracy Actualities [Re: Clean]
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It is dangerous to dwell in victim-hood. Yes there may be secret societies and groups of individuals exerting influence which serve to subjugate and dehumanize us, but it is our responsibility for going along with it. Our enemies know exactly how we tick, and they have exploited every weakness so that we may turn ourselves in to our own biggest obstacle in the way of truth and sovereignty.


I have reached the conclusion that people refuse to take responsibility because they don't really want freedom. They just want a "shoulder to cry on" and play the victims for some small interests. It is a hard task to make one enjoy freedom when one never tasted it.
It is the reason why these things take time. We've been lying to ourselves since thousands of years and we can't just expect for the things to change withing a generation. We have a lot of hidden issues to fight with and make the right connections sometimes at a very subtle level.
Our world is driven by the power example and the examples we get... well you see what they are.
People choose to have iPod because it's their substitute for freedom. One has to make no effort to get an iPod so it's clear why one prefers to stick to it.


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And never known your face
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And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
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Re: Conspiracy Theories vs. Conspiracy Actualities [Re: MushroomTrip]
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pre-fuckin-cisely.
nice pic.

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Re: Conspiracy Theories vs. Conspiracy Actualities [Re: Clean]
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Clean, great post.

Mushroom Trip, have you noticed that knowledge and responsibility are connected in a way that one is dependent on the other?

Interestingly, Control is the third part of it. Knowledge, Responsibility, and Control are intimately connected.

The same is true in reverse; Irresponsibility = no knowledge = no control.

fireworks god, you claimed that control of information wasn't related to the control human minds. Communication is the broad term which means to pass information. Why is so much being done to force people out of communication with other people? See question in the original post about entertainment. And why is information repeatedly repeated no matter where you look in today's media?

Those few who control this place know that we live in a society of hypnotized people and all you have to do is repeat something a few times and they'll repeat it, too. Only they won't know the truth because they are watching the football game and having a beer.

We live in a society of hypnotized people who just absorb, believe and repeat what they see on TV or read somewhere (think about how effing dangerous that is) without researching who said it, where it came from...etc., etc.

Hypnotism is one person controlling another or others. What's the best way to communicate to mass amounts of people at one time? Why the surge in TV screens in people's homes since the 1950's. Why does the same news story get repeated no matter where you look?

Do you recall when War of the Worlds was enacted on radio the night of 30 Oct 1938? It's actually quite fascinating what happened.

from wiki- Many people missed or ignored the opening credits of the program, and in the atmosphere of growing tension and anxiety in the days leading up to World War II, took it to be a news broadcast. Contemporary newspapers reported that panic ensued, with people fleeing the area, and others thinking they could smell the poison gas or could see the flashes of the lightning in the distance.

Have you ever known anyone who has repeated something, as if it were fact, that they only had knowledge of through the TV? "BS News reported..." Oh BS News said it? Where did they get their info from?

Here's a 2 min video about reporters and the information before it gets to you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoXkTg-Uoz4

Hypnotism is constant inflow from an exterior source; effect, not cause.


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"I communicate, therefore I am" - I

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Re: Conspiracy Theories vs. Conspiracy Actualities [Re: Pulsating]
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Mushroom Trip, have you noticed that knowledge and responsibility are connected in a way that one is dependent on the other?

Interestingly, Control is the third part of it. Knowledge, Responsibility, and Control are intimately connected.


Yes, it the natural course one takes (more or less consciously). When one gets to taste the joy of being free and unbounded from all those sets of rules one will go further and further into untying all these bonds, which result into taking responsibility for one's actions and so on. It is a crescent process that once started keeps going and going, overcoming all the obstacles that come on the way.

Also I think that what FWG was empathizing was not the fact that nobody is trying to control us and to dis-inform us, but the information we can get is so diversified that we can find bits of thuth from everywhere and that it's our duty to learn to make the distinction between them. People are not dead stupid. If they are being controlled it is their choice too. We all can tell at a certain level if we're being lied or not. Those who are being "brainwashed" are going through that because they choose it too. Because they prefer a "comfy" life. Freedom comes at a high price and some aren't willing to pay because of the reason I was talking earlier and you have also mentioned it - taking responsibility for one's actions and choices. I know people who choose not to be responsible even if they know that in this way their lives and opinions are being controlled too. They consciously choose to have a job well payed, friends with a high social status and submit to a set of stupid rules because that way they have more money or influence. And that's what they want. They want "power" not freedom.
It takes two sides of this conspiracy and mind control game and those who are being controlled are being in that situation because of their own decisions.

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Have you ever known anyone who has repeated something, as if it were fact, that they only had knowledge of through the TV? "BS News reported..." Oh BS News said it? Where did they get their info from?


I'm glad you brought that up. Yes evidently I know people like that and I also got to see why they take everything they hear as being true. The results were mind blowing: they don't care about what's true. They pretend to care. All they want is a conversation with their neighbor or boss and the news are a prefect excuse to do that. Using what they hear from the TV or newspapers are most of the times just a pretext to socialize and make themselves feel important. "Judging" the breaking news is a fetish, not a quest for finding the truth. Is is true that they are hypnotized, but I'll tell you something: nobody can be hypnotized against their will. Again, this game takes two sides that submit to the rules. The first side agrees to find efficient means to brain wash people and the second side agrees to let himself/herself manipulated finding refuge in social and material awards.

I think it is essential for me to say all that because it gives a better perspective on what is really happening. If we really want to fight this mass control we have to admit that those who are controlled know something stinks (as Clean said) but choose to ignore it.


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
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Bathed in your sighs
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Re: Conspiracy Theories vs. Conspiracy Actualities [Re: MushroomTrip]
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I agree that nothing can "happen to" a person without their prior consent, however, many people are not up to perceiving that fact yet and waking up is a gradient process...it's not simply a matter of knowing or not knowing. There is a gradient scale in between where you can find all people at different stages. I'm sure you've known people who "just didn't want to know" and that person was very likely a frightened little being.

But then, what was the "first thing" that occurred (internal, external or combination) which caused a person to give away his determinism to another? And if a person can be controlled ONLY with his/her consent, would you agree that, somewhere along the line, extreme measures have probably been taken to gain that consent?

We are not at our ultimates in perception(s) or technology even though many seem to think we are.

Good points on TV.


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"I communicate, therefore I am" - I

"Nature is ancient, but surprises us all." - Björk

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Re: Conspiracy Theories vs. Conspiracy Actualities [Re: Pulsating]
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Pulsating said:
fireworks god, you claimed that control of information wasn't related to the control human minds.


Yes, I equated control of information with control of information and stated that no one could "control" a human mind. Could one control information in order to influence the information that a mind utilizes in its understanding of reality? Of course, but this is not control of the mind itself. This is why I equated control of information with control of information. :wink:

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Communication is the broad term which means to pass information. Why is so much being done to force people out of communication with other people?


Could you substantiate this assertion? In what ways are people being forced out of the ability to communicate with other people? I would have been given to understand that, contemplating the nature of the Internet and of cell phones, that the act of freely communicating with others is more prolific now than it has ever been. Idea exchange through unobstructive mediums can be instantaneous. Look at the repository of information that this website exists as for a perfect example. Access to this kind of information has never before been possible.

Once again, how precisely are we being forced out of the ability to communicate with others? :what:

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See question in the original post about entertainment. And why is information repeatedly repeated no matter where you look in today's media?


Because there is a demand for the information. Once again, personal choice. I guess I really don't know what you refer to about information being constantly repeated in today's media because my only exposure to it is web articles that I choose to seek out and read for myself.

Perhaps some live in a matrix of being fed select information in an attempt to control - its a possibillity considering the nature of the advertising industry and the way that a media wants to ensure that its viewers continue to view. Remember in my previous post what I was referring to in regards to personal choice? Precisely.. :wink:

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Those few who control this place know that we live in a society of hypnotized people and all you have to do is repeat something a few times and they'll repeat it, too. Only they won't know the truth because they are watching the football game and having a beer.


One of my central counter-points is that this notion is very generalized and not representative of society as a whole.

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Hypnotism is one person controlling another or others. What's the best way to communicate to mass amounts of people at one time? Why the surge in TV screens in people's homes since the 1950's. Why does the same news story get repeated no matter where you look?


I already answered this question and you failed to respond. Clearly each media outlet will carry the same stories because they are the stories that are generating interest, and they want to cater to that interest in order to be viewed, in order for their sponsors to receive the benefits of paying them for ad-space, so that they get paid. It isn't a conspiracy. :smirk:

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Do you recall when War of the Worlds was enacted on radio the night of 30 Oct 1938? It's actually quite fascinating what happened.


Yeah a bunch of people acted irrationally out of ignorance and leaping to conclusions. I don't find it too fascinating considering it has happened every single day for the last few thousand years....

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Have you ever known anyone who has repeated something, as if it were fact, that they only had knowledge of through the TV?


Yes. Once again, personal choice. People choose what they do with their own minds, their minds are not controlled, even as others control information in order to influence them. Everyone controls information in their day-to-day interactions, it is the nature of being a human. Your points speak more for the fact that human beings make bad choices regarding their processing of information and where they seek it from than for a conspiracy to control their minds. :sorry:


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Re: Conspiracy Theories vs. Conspiracy Actualities [Re: Pulsating]
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Pulsating said:
First, all you seemingly do is engage in straw-man arguments and they might work on the simple-minded but they don't work on me.
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You see, Icke never claimed to be omniscient. Nor did he claim to have asked every single skeptic on Earth, but he has encountered hundreds of thousands of people in his research, as well as traveled extensively to over 40 countries and I am sure has found certain common denominators to those with viewpoints like yours.


It's not a strawman argument if I'm describing Icke's actual claim.

The piece you quote said, word-for-word "People who believe that there is no major world conspiracy which involves a small number of people manipulating humanity through a hierarchical structure of control toward a New World Order, ALL have one identical factor in common."

He did not say "the vast majority" or "many" or anything along those lines. No, Icke chose the word "all".

Now, there are two ways he could know what "all" of a subset of people think. He's either asked "all" of them, or he's claiming some form of omniscience.

A straw man exists only if I'm mischaracterizing, and in this case, that couldn't be farther from the truth.

Pulsating said:
Another dazzling straw-man! Icke didn't start out claiming there was a conspiracy. He had a life changing spiritual experience and began to research.


And did he use his life changing spiritual experience as the basis for his research, or did he start from the ground up? From the writings of Icke's that I have read, I'm pretty sure it's the former.

Again, it's only a straw man if I'm mischaracterizing Icke. It's not my fault if he takes an indefensible position.

Pulsating said:
Also, what are you doing? You start out with an idea ("there is no conspiracy") and instead of researching, just start spouting off about how it's impossible that a small group of insanely wealthy families control this place.


No, that's not it at all (but good straw man of your own, btw). I started with the question "What would be necessary for proof of an all-controlling conspiracy?" and began looking for evidence. While I have encountered some evidence in favor, I have also encountered a great deal of evidence against.

The usual question I like to ask is "If the conspiracy is real, and is all-controling, then why didn't they foresee the rise of the Internet Boom?"

It seems very odd to me that individuals like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were allowed to suddenly amass money and power when they were never before on the "inside". Neither came from an elite family, and their ties to any sort of global organization prior to their rise are weak at best.

Pulsating said:
How do I know what you have/have not researched? The same way you know what Icke *has* researched!


Again, I know with some certainty that Icke has not spoken to every single person who does not believe in a conspiracy. Therefore, his claims that "ALL" non-believers share a common trait are silly.

Pulsating said:
Really? Show me this irrefutable proof that there is no conspiracy. Maybe because it's not reported on TV?


Explain to me how this argument is different from a creationist arguing that abscence of evidence is not evidence of abscence.

Otherwise, congratulations, you and the Evangelical Christians have hit on the same argument.

Pulsating said:
Another straw man. No one in this thread said it took membership in anything to become wealthy although you implied that I said it.


I never implied that you said it, I got it from Icke's writings.

You did quote Icke, didn't you?

Again, it's not a strawman if I'm accurately describing his argument. Icke's "pyramid of manipulation" clearly states that control of money is a key part of the global conspiracy. As a result, if non-members of the conspiracy are able to gain control of money, then it implies that the conspiracy is not actually in control of them, and thus not actually in control of all of us.

Pulsating said:
And no one *joins* this little clique. It's largely bloodline or invite. There is no application.


I have specifically offered you the internet-millionaires as proof that people do actually join the "clique". The vast majority of internet millionairs are no related by blood or other ties to the traditional elite.

Pulsating said:
You see, you have such a short sighted look at this whole thing.


I'm pretty sure this is an ad-hominem.

Pulsating said:
It's not about money...it's about control (of which money is a one aspect of, information being another, etc.)


But if money is an aspect of control, and there are members of our society who can make vast sums of money without being part of the conspiracy, then they are inherently outside of that aspect of control, and the conspiracy does not have a "complete hold" as Icke and others claim.

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Re: Conspiracy Theories vs. Conspiracy Actualities [Re: fireworks_god]
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FG, I think you are mis-interpreting the direction I am going with this data. See the post I made in response to MT just before yours.

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I already answered this question and you failed to respond.


Failed to respond to an answered question? That's an interesting concept. How many asked and answered questions have you failed to respond to in this thread?


Edit: And Economist, I'm not interested in dealing with your straw man, contextomy "points" anymore.

You simply seem to have a belief system to defend and will work things around until they make you right in your mind.

The fear of being wrong is terrifying to some people.


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"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." ― Plato

"I communicate, therefore I am" - I

"Nature is ancient, but surprises us all." - Björk

Edited by Pulsating (05/22/07 09:59 AM)

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Re: Conspiracy Theories vs. Conspiracy Actualities [Re: Pulsating]
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I stated that as you continued to present an idea that had already been directly called into question myself. The phrase "answered this question" was not used in the sense that you had asked a question, but implied that it had already been addressed. Thus, your response to my statement is irrelevant. :wink:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Loving every breath of you
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:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Conspiracy Theories vs. Conspiracy Actualities [Re: Pulsating]
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Pulsating said:
You simply seem to have a belief system to defend and will work things around until they make you right in your mind.


Let's keep the speculation regarding the intentions of others to private messages or an off-topic forum, please.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Conspiracy Theories vs. Conspiracy Actualities [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
The thing with the conspiracy theory is that it has already became a propaganda term which makes the paranoid and the uninformed feel important and safe from the potential threatening matters.
That way, the most absurd theories are being born and people fall in their trap for many different reasons, but mostly because they sound sensational, out of the common and are being linked to secretive policies. Stuff like these are the trigger for one of our most basic human drives: curiosity.


The ability to observe and discern becomes extra-important when searching into things like this. There is almost too much mis-information and foolery in this area in an effort to make ALL such theories of "hidden hands" guiding events discreditable.

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For me, the only conspiracy that is really threatening for our current society is the conspiracy theory itself, which offers constant distractions from the real social and individual affairs.
It's a vicious circle which is very hard to break or get out of for one who's already in.
A conspiracy theory can be released & constructed about any "big size" event.


Conspiracy theory(ies) offers distractions? For who and to what? Football scores? Conspiracy theories usually involve current social/political/economic happenings as they are related to patterns throughout history and as they affect day to day life (real history, not that propaganda BS written in just about any Social Studies book).

In any event, it hopefully gets people looking and thinking as opposed to shutting out information under the blanket excuse, "Oh that's just so and so, we will ignore him because he's just 'one of those wacko conspiracy theorist guys'."

You can almost see the mind slam closed on certain people when the words "conspiracy" and "theory" are mentioned together. It's quite hilarious to watch and the subsequent refusal to consider certain things. It's almost like the veneer is about to crack and they rush madly into trying to disprove you without having really looked into anything they are trying to refute.

A conspiracy is only 2 or more people working together to accomplish something... And that's never happened before!!


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"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." ― Plato

"I communicate, therefore I am" - I

"Nature is ancient, but surprises us all." - Björk

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Re: Conspiracy Theories vs. Conspiracy Actualities [Re: Pulsating]
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an interesting little slideshow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dohDOFk_uw


oh, and watch out for "cliques"....we all know where that type of mentality leads....


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"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." ― Plato

"I communicate, therefore I am" - I

"Nature is ancient, but surprises us all." - Björk

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Re: Conspiracy Theories vs. Conspiracy Actualities [Re: Pulsating]
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So many powerful things have been said in this post about conspiracy theories.

One thing I would like to bring up about myself:

I believe 110% that there is a conspiracy by a group that has been going on for centuries to control the masses and turn them into drones that do nothing more than support the LAZY elite. The only thing they seem to work hard at is making sure they don't have to work.

I personally do my best to look at both sides (as this is what debating is all about...being able to refute the other side as you ALREADY know their side. Not that, but you should be able to debate both sides.) of the conspiracy gig. On a regular basis I question if I'm just a paranoid peon and that there really isn't a group of elite with a final goal of controlling the whole flock of sheep. Sometimes I think I am really just nuts and that none of this is happening.

A question for those who refute the conspiracy argument, as I did when I first started reading into it. Do you ever question that your belief is wrong? Do you ever study the conspiracy side? Or do you take everything the govt says at face value and accept it as your own view/destiny???


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^^^The above matter may be a complete fantasy that I concocted out of possible boredom.^^^


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Re: Conspiracy Theories vs. Conspiracy Actualities [Re: trippindad82]
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> I believe 110%

How can you be more than 100% certain of something?


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Re: Conspiracy Theories vs. Conspiracy Actualities [Re: Seuss]
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When it overflows??

Something is definitely going on, IMO.


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Seuss said:
> I believe 110%

How can you be more than 100% certain of something?


If it's too hard, just pretend the person said 100%. The same thing is intended.


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