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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Rose]
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What do mushrooms have to do with Culinary Arts? What do mushrooms have to do with Physical and Mental Well-Being? What do mushrooms have to do with Off Topic Discussion? What do mushrooms have to do with Politics, Activism, and Law? What do mushrooms have to do with The Ethnobotanical Garden? What do mushrooms have to do with Other Drugs Discussion? What do mushrooms have to do with The Pub? What do mushrooms have to do with Gathering And Travel? What do mushrooms have to do with Music, Art, and Literature? What do mushrooms have to do with Marketplace?

I'm too lazy to check and see if you have made a similarily themed thread in each individual forum that I just listed.... :smirk:

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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Loving every breath of you
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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Keep the forum - save a Swami.  :heart:


great bumper sticker!


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: fireworks_god]
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It was only on topic in this forum. :smirk:

Don't answer a question with a question.

You focused on the second-least interesting question I asked.

Now, try this one.

What do mushrooms have to do with S&P?


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes said:
It was only on topic in this forum. :smirk:


I know; I'm just being exceedingly difficult. :evil: If I had read all of the replies before I initially replied, I would have seen that all of that ground had already been covered - I think you've been hazed enough.  :grin:

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Don't answer a question with a question.


Can I question a statement with a statement?  :syringe:

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You focused on the second-least interesting question I asked.


My reply might have focused upon that particular question, but it isn't evident of where I myself placed my "focus". :grin:

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What do mushrooms have to do with S&P?



Well, since you seem to be adamant enough about it.... :wink:

Any relation between mushrooms and the concepts of spirituality and philosophy are a human construct. The concepts of spirituality and philosophy are abstractions. Ingesting mushrooms is not going to equate into an experience of spirituality or an enhancement of philosophical perception as a direct consequence.

I personally see philosophy as a method or a manner in which the mind forms thought and represents reality. Any experience is going to relate to philosophy simply as a result of the definition of philosophy. Regardless of how aware or developed one's philosophy is, it still exists as the sum of their experiences and the manner in which they perceive and interpret reality as a result of those experiences.

Mushrooms might be identified as being a more profound experience that relates to philosophy through the mechanism I just outlined simply because the mushroom experience is quite distinctive when compared to one's experiences that aren't under the influence of mushrooms. When one is on mushrooms, our awareness and experience of reality has deviated from our normal experiences to such a degree that it is quite likely that it will influence our philosophy just a bit. :grin:

Considering that the mushroom experience involves temporary dissolution of specific barriers within the mind that decide what limited amount of the aspects of our direct perceptions we will consciously experience, so that we become more aware of our surroundings and are more focused within our state of being - ja, there you go, mushrooms rule. :smirk:

The mind certainly defines "what mushrooms have to do with spirituality and philosophy", as it is the source of the conceptions of both and also the experience that one will... experience (:lol:) on mushrooms, just as it will decide the role that the experience that it interpreted and defined for itself will play in one's philosophy. A basic thought line like "If you take mushrooms, you become spiritual and, like, know stuff about stuff" is in error. :lol:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: fireworks_god]
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Firey Workings of God, :thumbup: I have been really enjoying your posts lately and this is no exception. Thou Rockith. :hairmetal: :heart:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Firey Workings of God, :thumbup: I have been really enjoying your posts lately and this is no exception. Thou Rockith. :hairmetal: :heart:


And I have really enjoyed your intriguing interpretation of my screen name (alters MSN screen name as such). :thumbup: :wink:

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Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes said:
What do S&P and mushrooms have to do with each other?

Why can't we just drop this forum from the list?

Is it really worth the drama?


Are you being serious? If you are then I feel sorry for you. Spiritual/Philisophical trips are the best.

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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Rose]
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"What do S&P and mushrooms have to do with each other?"

Not entirely sure..


Didn't some philosophers, for example, come from Greece? 

Wasn't Greece known for useage of substances?


What about Egypt?


You think that the natives in the Amazon might know something about Spirituality?





"Is it really worth the drama?"

You bet it is !!!!


The drama shows how developed one is!  If you can talk the talk, and then walk in a straight line...  The cops'll let you go.

:lol:

Oh, wait a second... 









But seriously now...



The drama is S&P in ACTION !!!


Where it is more than just talk... 



It's your talk....  APPLIED.





I love it when drama unfolds!




:thumbup:


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Ravus]
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" disagree. I reached in for my soul, and only came out with some sticky brain tissue."


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:



Shit !!!!  :eek:


Have you been searching from behind again?




:lol:











pssst.....  ..it's slightly in front...


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: fireworks_god]
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because this is the only forum that has smart people that will actually talk about these sort of things because they tend to be the ones that use substances that lead to chaos that makes them question things such as existence and reality and conventional thoughts


why dont more forums have this section, shutup man


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Ravus said:
Not that you're even the mod of this forum anyway. :wink:

The spirit falls under the category of spiritual delusions, perhaps the spiritual delusion of all time. There is no spirit or soul, simply the human brain.


Ravus I'm surprised. :shocked: Any good scientist could tell you there are no definitive answers to this question. You have made statement that ends all further exploration. Your subjective statement assumes your knowledge to be the final word on this and that others who claim to have experience contrary to yours are positively wrong. Tisk tisk.  Let me ask you Ravus, if you know this for certain then you must be able to also answer the question were did existence come from? IMO to know anything without doubt you would need to have the answer to this question and every other.


That's my philosophical viewpoint, not my scientific one.

I'm not actually rigid in my viewpoints; I would be willing to change my view of the soul if there was sufficient evidence. However, until there is, then I will go with the simplest theory. Because every statement we make is an uncertainty, does that mean we have to constantly sound uncertain?

Existence is a many-headed beast. Which existence? The existence of you? The existence of life? The existence of the universe? The existence of you came about by natural selection; the existence of life is a tougher question, and did come about by natural selection, but that doesn't fully explain it. There are quite a few scientific theories on this, some too complex for me to really comprehend, but an understandable theory, or at least an interesting thought experiment for how life could come about, is the RNA world hypothesis. In this, the early world had a primordial soup of free-floating nucleotides which would regularly form bonds with each other. The vast majority would break apart quickly without doing anything, but a few of them joined in such a way that they had a stable bonding, and as they grew longer they attracted more nucleotides, in such a way that it grew faster than it broke apart.

Over hundreds of millions of years of this the longest RNA sequences started to randomly generate the ability to reproduce, and when this happens extremely strong natural selection kicked in. The longest, most stable RNA sequences would reproduce the most, and this would continue on into the next generation until these primitive RNA strains began to join together because it helped their survival so much to be that much more stable. They then developed properties that allowed the RNA to manipulate amino acids, continued evolving, and billions of years later here we are.

As for the existence of the universe, I've no clue, but I don't think that's relevant to our soul in the modern day.


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes said:
What do mushrooms have to do with S&P?


Without the S&P, you wouldn't have SPores....

Without spores, you have no mushrooms....    :tongue:


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Ravus]
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As for the existence of the universe, I've no clue, but I don't think that's relevant to our soul in the modern day.


It's of major relevance to the concept of soul and spirit IMO. For the unknown or unknowable source of existence may be the very source of soul/spirit. We would be a part of that. The Ultimate Tao if you will. :wink:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Icelander]
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lol


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Gomp]
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:zoom: :thirdeyeani: :sun: :crazyeyes:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes said:
Yup a mind fuck indeed.

Man creates God every day. Either by creating bullshit... or just by simply attempting to express anything. If God is the creator, which God believing men would say, then creativity itself is God's image, no?

There is no doubt man creates god.

But did God create man?


Who can define what God is? Even worst, create him...
You may create ideas, harbor beliefs, but how close is
this to the truth?

As close as eating imaginary food will get you to a
full stomach.


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
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As for the existence of the universe, I've no clue, but I don't think that's relevant to our soul in the modern day.


It's of major relevance to the concept of soul and spirit IMO. For the unknown or unknowable source of existence may be the very source of soul/spirit. We would be a part of that. The Ultimate Tao if you will. :wink:


:sun:

It's possible, but seeing as the rest of science isn't like that, why would the creation of the universe be? It seems like it'd have to switch directions.

Not to mention, that wouldn't be conducive for Nihilism in any way.


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Ravus]
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It's possible, but seeing as the rest of science isn't like that, why would the creation of the universe be? It seems like it'd have to switch directions.


I'm not following you. Can you explain further?

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Not to mention, that wouldn't be conducive for Nihilism in any way.


Then become a Taoist. :grin:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Icelander]
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You say, "For the unknown or unknowable source of existence may be the very source of soul/spirit. We would be a part of that. The Ultimate Tao if you will."

Yet in my experience science has not seen the Ultimate Tao so far in any thing really. It's explained us simply through molecules and cells; it has discovered stars and planets and galaxies which, while beautiful, show no sign of the Tao.

The Tao is a concept created by the human mind, and because of this and the fact that it has not yet been proven scientifically it doesn't make sense that the creation of the universe would suddenly unveil it.

I could be wrong though; we'll see where M-Theory and the new theories of the 21st century lead us. Perhaps the universe was simply created through the collision of massive 11-dimensional membranes.


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Re: Why does The Shroomery need this forum? [Re: Ravus]
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You can't  define Ultimate Tao. You can only witness its manifestation.

So far Science has yet to disprove this, by answering the question where and why and how do molecules, cell, atom, protons, 11 dimensional membranes come into existence.

So I would say the Tao has the upper hand on science right now. :grin:

Everything we speak of Ravus is a construct of the human mind. That has little to do with it. Right? :grin:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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