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OfflineEquilibriuM
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    #4460686 - 07/27/05 05:55 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Does anyone add hydro or hydro-organic nutrients to their substrates??? I know someone has to have tried it... If you have did it work and what p-n-k ratios or specific brands have you tried? if you havent added nutrients then WHY NOT?


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Re: nutrient additives [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #4461678 - 07/27/05 10:47 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Never heard of it but i do have hydro nutes, so after i secure my first fruit and make some prints ill experiment with that.

I have MaxiGrO and MaxiBloom.


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Re: nutrient additives [Re: ]
    #4462002 - 07/28/05 12:06 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Why not??? different plants use all different levels of nutrients and all kinds of formulations are concocted for specific cultivation of those plants. I?m reasonably sure one exists that at a certain concentration will be perfect for mushroom growth. now all I have to do is find out which one... I?m sure some people here have experimented... hopefully they will speak up...

People say that flushes cease to occur when nutrient levels diminish right ? Isn?t it then reasonable to assume that if you added necessary nutrients to mycelium growth could continue?


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Re: nutrient additives [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #4462019 - 07/28/05 12:11 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

N is good for Mushrooms.

Why don't we add them?...

B/C there is only so much you can do to increse potency..

You'll end up getting more failures (burning mycelium, making the sub. better for bacterial growth ect ect) to the point where increasing potency doesn't out weight the failures.

If you want to add an extra kick...try spawning to poo and adding a tiny bit of kelp...

If you're that damn worried about potency, grow pans...They'll knock you off your ass.

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Re: nutrient additives [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4462046 - 07/28/05 12:18 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

no... I?m not that worried about potency, it just seems weird that everyone is so concerned with what type of substrate you are using... coming from a background in hydroponics... it doesn't matter what substrate you use all that matters is the air to water ratio and the nutrient/vitamin levels... its clear to me that these could be optimized by adding liquid nutrients. shit you could grow mushrooms on coco fiber w/ added nutrients... what?s not so clear to me is why there is such a lack of information regarding nutrients for mushroom growth...


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Re: nutrient additives [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #4462078 - 07/28/05 12:26 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I might be way off here, but I put 1/2 tsp Karo (vanilla) to my pf tek jar. I don't know if i will do any thing but I hope it wont hurt.


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Re: nutrient additives [Re: thremix]
    #4462285 - 07/28/05 01:05 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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thremix said:
I might be way off here, but I put 1/2 tsp Karo (vanilla) to my pf tek jar. I don't know if i will do any thing but I hope it wont hurt.




It probably will.

That's a sugary mess (figurativitly speaking)

And Plants are nothing like Mushrooms.

Fungi is way different.

And substrate is a big deal.

It means the difference between Using Sand and Grade-A dirt (for plant growing)...

You can add stuff to help, but There's only so much that you can do..

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Re: nutrient additives [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4462389 - 07/28/05 01:27 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: nutrient additives [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4462431 - 07/28/05 01:39 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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thremix said:
I might be way off here, but I put 1/2 tsp Karo (vanilla) to my pf tek jar. I don't know if i will do any thing but I hope it wont hurt.




It probably will.

That's a sugary mess (figurativitly speaking)

And Plants are nothing like Mushrooms.

Fungi is way different.

And substrate is a big deal.

It means the difference between Using Sand and Grade-A dirt (for plant growing)...

You can add stuff to help, but There's only so much that you can do..

-Gnostic




So couple of drops of Karo in the pf tek sub-trait will hurt the jar?


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Re: nutrient additives [Re: Liquid_Silver]
    #4462462 - 07/28/05 01:49 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

It ups the possiably of contams...

Making conditions more Ideal for bacteria isn't going to help your mycelium in the way you want...

If you want to add shit...

Add a bit of kelp or BM..They contain a great amount of N....

-Gnostic


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Re: nutrient additives [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4464105 - 07/28/05 12:26 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

where would one find kelp? how much would you add in your pf tek?


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Re: nutrient additives [Re: memes]
    #4464283 - 07/28/05 01:31 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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meams said:
Equilibrium - you definitely seem to know what your talking about, and i respect that. but in teh history of mycology, dont you think this has been thought of? and if it's not in common practice (even amongst the pro's), there's probably a reason for it.




Yes, I?m sure it has been thought of. and I?m sure people have tried it. That?s what I?m trying to find, peoples experience... how well it worked. I bet commercial mycologists never were too interested with it because of cost. they want cheap bulk substrates... they don?t have to worry about 'potency' or anything like that. I don?t know, I guess I need to do some research...

I know that agar is coming up with a synthetic substrate that I?m sure uses something similar to what I?m talking about for nutrients... maybe he'll chime in.

I need a better answer then "it doesn't work because other people don?t use it"


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Re: nutrient additives [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #4464312 - 07/28/05 01:40 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

These arent plants man. And agar will tell you, you cant add NPK. He could explain to you why it wouldnt work much better..but you really need to understand these ARENT plants, not at all, not related, not even friggen close. Thats like saying, whats the NPK formula to keep a person alive. Why worry about what food the person eats, you can just give them bread with NPK on it and they'll be fine if you get the correct ratio.

Organic additives can be added, such as worm castings, blood meal, bone meal, kelp meal, ect ect to provide some of the extra vitamins and minerals...but were talking small amounts of that stuff. Mushrooms need food to digest, they dont suck up liquid nutrients like plants, they need to eat things, like us.

If that wasnt a good enough explination, agar will have to do better (you may have better results PMing him, hes been busy as of late).


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Re: nutrient additives [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4464391 - 07/28/05 02:04 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I read you can add honey or some ting to your pf tek jar. I just don't remember where and how much. I hope 1/2 tsp won't hurt....should I just toss that jar and redo it?


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Re: nutrient additives [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4464551 - 07/28/05 02:52 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

dude people can be fed like that! LOL people need protein/fat/carbohydrates. 40/30/30 is a good one. for dieting some people like 50/40/10.... you don?t have to give them food all you have to do is inject them with these ratios in sufficient calories along with trace vitamins/minerals and they will do just fine  :wink: see what I?m saying? maybe its the npk thing that?s throwing you off. I don?t care about that... what I want to know is what exactly they need to thrive. think of the possibilities... your cake is on its fourth flush and is real weak... just dunk it in some "myco grow" and its flushing again like its brand spankin new. hydroponic mushrooms... its really not that far fetched...


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Re: nutrient additives [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #4464650 - 07/28/05 03:18 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

what if it's on it's fourth flush. Can you crumble it up and spawn it to hpoo then case? Would that not start it over? Or maybe do it on it's 3rd flush? How about using a spent cake on spawning another?


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Re: nutrient additives [Re: thremix]
    #4465306 - 07/28/05 06:29 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

ok... so what I?ve learned so far is that mushrooms need NPK around
N 0.6
P 0.3
K 1.1
they also need various forms of carbohydrates at around 50

the rest is mostly water + I still need to find what vitamins/minerals and amino acids they need...


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Re: nutrient additives [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4465338 - 07/28/05 06:38 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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IGnosticAbhorI said:
N is good for Mushrooms.

Why don't we add them?...

B/C there is only so much you can do to increse potency..

You'll end up getting more failures (burning mycelium, making the sub. better for bacterial growth ect ect) to the point where increasing potency doesn't out weight the failures.

If you want to add an extra kick...try spawning to poo and adding a tiny bit of kelp...

If you're that damn worried about potency, grow pans...They'll knock you off your ass.

-Gnostic




IMO, that's great advice. Manure is the best, fool proof additive there is when used in viable applications. Manures contain enzymes like phosphatase, urease, and arylsulfatase that are workers for the conversion of nutrients from organic forms into inorganic forms that plant life and mushrooms can utilize for optimal health and growth.


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Re: nutrient additives [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4478328 - 07/31/05 09:25 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

bump for agar...


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