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Acinaxuz
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Spent Cakes/Casings and Nutrient Additions
#5816631 - 07/03/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have a friend overseas who's started to grow, and she's piqued my interest in the way that mycelium and mushrooms utilize nutrients.
In general theory, when a cake or casing is spent it's usually because of lack of moisture and nutrients. Dunking and rolling does good for re-hydrating the cake, but how likely is it that by using uninocculated LC (then maybe even rolling/adding sterile substrate and verm) you could prolong/induce more prolific and larger fruitings?
Has anyone tried this with success? Of course there is the added risk of contam, but in theory could be done in a sterile environment.
My biggest worry would be that contams would begin to grow beneath the new substrate layer and become more difficult to detect. If you've tried this, have you found a way around it?
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creamcorn
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Re: Spent Cakes/Casings and Nutrient Additions [Re: Acinaxuz]
#5816679 - 07/03/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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its an interesting idea and one that i think just about everyone has when they start to grow. unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
you already mention added risk of contam, and that's a biggie. you can't do it in a "sterile environment" unfortunately, unless you figure out how to ineject food inside a cake without compromising the surface of the cake. good luck with that. 
there's another piece missing, and thats the "structural integrity" of your cake... you'll see this first hand once yours go through a few flushes. they get soft and crumbly and soggy and eventually will just fall apart in your hands when they're spent. no fancy nutrient brew you inject them with will change that.
then there's (probably the biggest) factor, and that's that mushrooms just don't grow like that. mycelium gathers nutrients (colonization), spits out mushrooms (fruiting) then dies off. it doesn't return to the "gathering nutrients" stage after fruiting again. it can continue growing outward, say in nature, if it were to find a new food source and it might begin to colonize that food source and start the cycle again, but the mycelium that's already making up your cake basically "isn't hungry anymore" after its colonized and loses much of its vigor after pumping out a few flushes of mushrooms.
like i said its a thought that everyone has but unfortunately not practical or even really possible. the far better thing to do is forget it and just make a new batch of cakes.
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Acinaxuz
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Re: Spent Cakes/Casings and Nutrient Additions [Re: creamcorn]
#5816736 - 07/03/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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then there's (probably the biggest) factor, and that's that mushrooms just don't grow like that. mycelium gathers nutrients (colonization), spits out mushrooms (fruiting) then dies off. it doesn't return to the "gathering nutrients" stage after fruiting again. it can continue growing outward, say in nature, if it were to find a new food source and it might begin to colonize that food source and start the cycle again, but the mycelium that's already making up your cake basically "isn't hungry anymore" after its colonized and loses much of its vigor after pumping out a few flushes of mushrooms.
Exactly what I was looking for, and in the theory of fungus makes a lot of sense being that one of it's main natural "jobs" is to break substance down and recycle debris and such for further natural use by other plants. Our ecosystem is an amazing thing.
Interesting indeed.
Too bad about spent cakes and casings though.
Thanks again
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liamtheloser
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Re: Spent Cakes/Casings and Nutrient Additions [Re: Acinaxuz]
#5817147 - 07/03/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah, think of a spent cake the way you would think of any living thing... it has a life cycle and you can't make something immortal... unfortunately, a cake of shrooms has a very short life cycle.
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