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PulseEden
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Liquid Nutrient Additives
#14103769 - 03/11/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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There's a hydroponics supply store near me and they have stuff like liquid chicken poo, liquid worm casings, and other similar things. I was thinking, what if I added some of these kinds of things to my cakes/spawn in place of some of the water. Would that have any positive effects on colonization times or size of fruits?
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Doc_T
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Re: Liquid Nutrient Additives [Re: PulseEden]
#14103967 - 03/11/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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No.
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ar1es
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Re: Liquid Nutrient Additives [Re: Doc_T]
#14105686 - 03/11/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: No.
is your answer verified by any experience?
i use regular chicken poo in my grows because i read that it does wonders for the mushies
if buddy cant find chicken poo but has a liquid additive that has many of the same nutes why woulndt it be beneficial?
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Re: Liquid Nutrient Additives [Re: ar1es]
#14105696 - 03/11/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Liquid poo.... Sounds like contams may eat that shit right up. A liquid nutrient is alot different then straight poo.
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Doc_T
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Re: Liquid Nutrient Additives [Re: ar1es]
#14106474 - 03/11/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ar1es said: if buddy cant find chicken poo but has a liquid additive that has many of the same nutes why woulndt it be beneficial?
Liquefied manure might be a usable product, though expensive. But where in the world would you be that has liquid manure but no solid manure? It's non-sensical hypothetical question and you should be ashamed for asking it.
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Re: Liquid Nutrient Additives [Re: Doc_T]
#14107367 - 03/12/11 03:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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ar1es said: if buddy cant find chicken poo but has a liquid additive that has many of the same nutes why woulndt it be beneficial?
Liquefied manure might be a usable product, though expensive. But where in the world would you be that has liquid manure but no solid manure? It's non-sensical hypothetical question and you should be ashamed for asking it.
whatever you say pedobear
ur exactly what i hate about forums on the interweb
bunch of dicks hiding behind their ip address
the guy asked a simple question
if you dont have time to explain then dont waste his time
people come here looking for answers to their questions. if you are too cool to help then dont respond
the fact is adding those nutes would probably be beneficial to his grow
whether or not it is the most cost effective option is another story and it wasnt what he asked
u should be ashamed of yourself
either help a person by answering their question or dont respond
chicken poo isnt the easiest shit to deal with
u should know because you are king of the shroomery and know everything
you have to buy a big bag of the shit if you can find it and it normally stinks of ammonia/urea
to use it properly in your grow you need to dump that shit out and let it air out for a few days so the ammonia/urea evaporates
if buddy doesnt happen to be in a situation where he can prepare the chicken poo without drawing unwanted attention then using the liquid may be a viable alternative regardless of cost
by the way, how do you know how much it costs anyway? do you have experience using it?
if you know for a fact that it doesnt help his grow then by all means share you sage advice
but if you think that there may be a better alternative to what he is trying to do then explain yourself or keep quiet
for some reason people on this site take your advice
either answer peoples question with good advice based on experience/research or stfu
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Re: Liquid Nutrient Additives [Re: ar1es]
#14107902 - 03/12/11 08:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why doesnt this kid go and buy it... Then try using it without asking people through a forum if it works.... Log on the forum after he experiments.... And let people know if it works, how it works, etc.
Too many questions all the time, when its as simple as adding that shit into your recipe and experimenting.
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Re: Liquid Nutrient Additives [Re: ar1es]
#14107956 - 03/12/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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either answer peoples question with good advice based on experience/research or stfu
Time for you to knock it off too.
When we get the same basic questions over and over and over and over and over that have been answered a billion times, why should someone type a ten paragraph answer because someone else is too lazy to spend three seconds with the search engine here?
We know for a fact that mushrooms don't fruit hydroponically, no matter what liquid nutrients are provided. Mushroom mycelium breaks down solid food on the cellular level. I long ago offered a free microscope to the first person who could grow a hydroponic mushroom, and after at least 5 years, nobody has pulled it off. Now, no more flaming and move on. RR
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PulseEden
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Re: Liquid Nutrient Additives [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14114494 - 03/13/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oy... was just wondering.... I was happy with "No".
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Re: Liquid Nutrient Additives [Re: PulseEden]
#14114707 - 03/13/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I could have misinterpretted the OP's wording, but when he inquired about adding liquified yummies to his "spawn", I (for whatever reason) defaulted to thinking the grains during simmer / soak phases. People use coffee-water when soaking their grains, no?
As Mr. Rabbit stated, our mushrooms are not hydroponic, so using nutrient-filled liquid in anything other than a grain-soak practice would probably be counter-intuitive. But like I said, for whatever reason I (quite possibly fallaciously) interpretted OP's "spawn" as (pre-spawn) "grain". THAT could be something to tinker with.
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Re: Liquid Nutrient Additives [Re: Gonkulator]
#14115018 - 03/13/11 04:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Basically if I was going to mix up standard PF cakes with BRF with some quantity of water, say, 1/4 cup of water, I would try something like replacing half of that water with the liquid nutrient. Or rather, considering how concentrated some of those liquid nutrients are I should probably put a lot less.
I wasn't planning on trying to grow them on a liquid.
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Re: Liquid Nutrient Additives [Re: PulseEden]
#25286886 - 06/23/18 09:32 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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These posts are so old that I don't think anyone will see this. I wasn't even going to register until I saw some of the salt on here... Your idea is a spark. While it may not be DIRECTLY relevant, it is an idea. Taking bits and pieces of things that can not work on their own and putting them together in different ways CAN makes something that DOES work. These people on here pretty much ripped you up for trying to think. That isn't fair. If everyone shuts someone down like that then NEW ideas can not get off the ground. They get crippled and die. Not that you can actually get mushrooms to fruit hydroponically... not directly... but SOMETHING productive COULD have come out of this all. It didn't. It got shot down in flames before it ever could. And while I agree with people that the new user should educate themselves as much as they can before posting... there is probably more on this topic that I could NOT FIND regardless of how much I have dug around on these forums. ********** This is MY IDEA (as far as I know) >>>>> So, taking your question of hydroponic nutrients in mind, coupled with some of these responses, my knowledge of hydroponics, the science behind pasteurization and sterilization, as well as the proven yields of the WBS (spawn) tech (incorporating gypsum and coffee grounds)… THIS IS WHAT I PROPOSE >>>>> What about IMPREGNATING organic matter (such as rye berries), with the nutrients mushrooms consume, for use in substrate? I do believe that this is quite possibly the next step for at-home-mycology. Have I tested it? No. Will I test it? Yes. Will I post it? Maybe. Probably not if I get salt thrown in my eyes and then get them gouged out just for trying to think though. I would just keep it to myself if that's the case. Chances are that someone out there has tried this and just hasn't said anything. Maybe because the community turned on him/her earlier. Maybe the original poster. It's not cool to attack people. ***** With all of that in mind here are my theories on the purposed "Mushroom Fertilizer" (MF) - - - - - The WBS spawn tek does very well because it's putting the nutrients IN the rye berries (when hydrating... like sponges... it SUCKS THEM INTO THE BERRIES). The mycelium colonizes the berries and gets put over into the substrate at which point it begins to colonize said substrate during incubation. Then cased and then fruited. I believe (theory) that the colonized substrate is STILL EATING these berries (and the gypsum and coffee) in the colonized substrate during the fruiting process. Yes, the substrate is very important, what is in it, pasteurizing, beneficial bacteria, etc. That is all well and good. That is on these forums, etc. Also on these forums are debates about availability of some of the nutrients for immediate access... like calcium... there are some things I agree with in theory from some of the posters as well such as things like oyster shells being next to useless (not completely... but almost) because of the time constraints involved in leeching something like that in to the casing. After casing there's not much time left for the mushrooms to use anything that isn't "already ready already". Crushed oyster shells used in some type of outdoor bed that gets turned and re-spawned, etc. would be great... but in regards to "the type of mushrooms being grown on this forum", and they way said mushrooms are grown... I'm sure everyone gets what I am saying (whether they agree or not). I'm proposing that, off to the side, additional rye berries get impregnated with the raw nutrients needed by the mushrooms, then STERILIZED, and when the spawn jars are added to the substrate THAT is when these additional (nutrient impregnated) berries get added to the substrate as well. So, definitely a good Cal-Mag needs to be added. Probably some gypsum for good measure. I've seen a video on YouTube of a guy making a "mushroom (spore) slurry" that he uses to bulk spawn mushrooms from the grocery store outside his house and he used honey (good idea for the sugar AND it's antibacterial by nature) as well as unsulphured molasses. So, in my tests, I will definitely use the honey (I have to go back and see why he thought molasses was important...). As far as things like the "liquid chicken poo" go (original post) that is more for the ammonia and beneficial bacteria, etc. than just the nitrogen (for everyone's general reference >>>>> strictly speaking in terms of nitrogen, as far as poop goes, rabbit poop is the highest [by volume] form of nitrogen you can get... in poop terms). Nitrogen IS important though but that can be added in straight N (or close to it) with something like the General Hydroponics "green" base additive. Since I will be sterilizing (since I'm going to use Rye Berries) I'm going to stick to straight chemical type additives. In theory, if you wanted to add beneficial bacteria and what not, maybe pasteurize coco coir after impregnating... that's a whole other discussion though. I don't know what the best measurement would be for every additive, but that's just more research and experimenting. Micro-nutrients are important as well. It's hard to say what trace minerals are used, aren't used, etc. That's some higher level stuff, and usually trace minerals are all clumped together in additives anyway... like "with over 500 trace minerals". They're kind of like how humans take multivitamins. May as well just take the whole vitamin and not worry about 1 or 2 of the "over 50 complete nutrition" trace minerals/vitamins not being necessary. So, since my experience was with the General Hydroponics line back in the day, I would add some "purple" to my berries (micro-nutrients). (While we are on the subject, IF I ever went back to plants... I would suggest Fox Farm for all of that... but that is for a different forum.) I would also add some coffee for good measure... NOT the grounds... the straight up coffee. It is good to note (again) that the mushrooms DIGEST ORGANIC MATTER for their nutrients... so as they digest the impregnated berries... these impregnated berries will act like "fertilizer pellets" would over a longer term traditional soil garden set up. All the nutrients would be IMMEDIATELY available (upon the digestion of the cellular matter). I'm not sure if the added berries could be digested completely by the end of a month of fruiting when added to the substrate during spawning so this technique could possibly cross over in to the spawning jars for a completely new method of making grain spawn (so it's already half decomposed when it goes in to the substrate). This is the FRINGE of this particular discussion, and if people who don't know FOR SURE start stepping all over this... Anyway, just remember this is the MF method/TEK. lol. And hey, if it doesn't work, no big deal. Let's just try and keep things productive. ***** I also would like to add that I get why people don't try different things when they get something that works... it's because they have something that works. Lol. I get bored though and I want things to be better (if possible... especially if nobody else is trying whatever the idea is... especially if it is MY idea...). With all that in mind, polyfill for these mono-tubs could be replaced by tyvek and micropore tape, OR at least cleaned up by using rubber grommets on the holes and short PVC piping stuffed with the polyfill and put through said grommets... that polyfill is ugly, lol. Just new ways to do things. Heck, we may stumble upon something EPIC. Hopefully whoever does will share and hasn't been abused on these forums so much that they keep it to themselves and never respond again. (Why I don't post on Reddit these days. Ha.) ***** Whatever happens though... be nice. Please. ***** Time to get to the MF'ing. Ha.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Liquid Nutrient Additives [Re: TDog]
#25286912 - 06/23/18 09:46 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Please don't bump 7 year old threads.
Also your post is absolutely impossible to read. Try paragraphs
Adding liquid nutrients has been tried by hundreds of noobs year after year. No ones shooting down or being salty about anything other than people reliving history because they were too dumb to do any research. When tens of thousands of trials haven't given even an inkling of success you're not getting shat on for bringing it up you're getting brought up to speed.
This is like the equivalent to arguing for the use of leaches in healthcare for blood letting.
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Re: Liquid Nutrient Additives [Re: PulseEden]
#25286951 - 06/23/18 09:46 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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