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tell me about buddhism (occultism)
    #4351969 - 06/29/05 08:26 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

the dalai lame is a tantric practitioner, yet he says he is a celibate monk, how can this be when the vajrayana requires the buddha of compassion to have a "magickal consort"

he also is supposed to have renounced all drugs and alcohol....so why does he get wasted and fuck his "magickal consorts" in the potala?

why were the 9th 10th 11th and 12th dalai lama ritually murdered?

why was chairman mao a student of the dalai lamas?

why is vajrayana buddhisim identical to the old tibetan bon po cults?

why is it buddhst teachings are handed down via an in-breed lineage the same as our royal elitests?

why is the shamballah myth the same as the nazi theory of creation?

why did russian soldiers find dead tibetan monks in nazi germany in 1945?

why was heinrich harrah, (an SS officer) close and personal friends with the current dalai lama, and why did the dalai lama himself lie about this fact, and co-operate with an illuminati owned movie company to fashion a story that would appear to have no relavence to the truth as quoted by harrah himself?

how is it that the dalai lama and all the rimpoches and lamas are able to amass such great wealth, seemingly from nowhere?

why do they drink menstrul blood from a skull cup?

why is it the yogi's and wanderers of tibet who are at the top of their hierachy?

why are there warring factions between buddhisim?

why did the dalai lama accept weapons from the british crown to fight civil wars?

why do the tantrickers practice holy/spiritual warfare with magickal weapons?

why do they treat women like absolute shit, yet worship the goddess aspect via reverse symbolism and tantra.

why do they claim that the dietys are not real, yet use them for their own ends profusely.

why is the dalai lama a reincarnation of "the buddha of compassion" and also "Yama" the lord of death...who holds and turns the wheel of suffering (samsara) and ALSO a female diety, or feminine consort?


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Re: tell me about buddhism (occultism) [Re: faslimy]
    #4352077 - 06/29/05 08:54 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Who says they treat women like shit? Wtf are you talking about with any of this. Did you make this up?

WTF menstrual blood?


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Re: tell me about buddhism (occultism) [Re: freddurgan]
    #4352193 - 06/29/05 09:22 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Please tell me about your current use of mind altering chemical agents  :cool:


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Re: tell me about buddhism (occultism) [Re: rowleyxx9]
    #4352397 - 06/29/05 10:08 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

The Dalai Lama is the man!

I am going to see him at Rutgers college in New Jersey this September. Hopefully I can get wasted with him and fuck the magickal consorts in the potala!!


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Re: tell me about buddhism (occultism) [Re: dante]
    #4352403 - 06/29/05 10:09 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Rofl.

rock on to that idea. You bring back pics of you shitfaced with the DL then I'll send you some cash.


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Re: tell me about buddhism (occultism) [Re: faslimy]
    #4352869 - 06/29/05 11:28 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

there must be a national enquirer article that has snuck into the s&p reference library or - where do you get this stuff?


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Re: tell me about buddhism (occultism) [Re: dante]
    #4353227 - 06/30/05 12:32 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I saw the Dalai Llama once at Berea College in Kentucky. Thay have a large contingent of Tibetan students there. Maybe I am shallow, but he seemed very nice....and very boring... He said almost nothing relevant to me. He is not exactly a wild and crazy guy. I love his autobiography though...very well written. "Freedom in Exile".


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Re: tell me about buddhism (occultism) [Re: freddurgan]
    #4353322 - 06/30/05 12:48 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

He didn't make it up, David Icke made it up.

He just believes everything David Icke says.


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Re: tell me about buddhism (occultism) [Re: Phluck]
    #4353610 - 06/30/05 01:40 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

David Icke did not make this up

I did not make this up

Icke has nothing to do with this so don't bring him up, it is a very lame thing to do. Don't tell me what I believe either because you don't have a fucking clue. I don't believe in anything. You will asume what you will.

most of these questions come from observations and findings during study of buddhism, most of it is directly from buddhist scriptures


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Re: tell me about buddhism (occultism) [Re: faslimy]
    #4353636 - 06/30/05 01:47 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

most of these questions come from observations and findings during study of buddhism, most of it is directly from buddhist scriptures

So naturally you have references?


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Re: tell me about buddhism (occultism) [Re: Phluck]
    #4353660 - 06/30/05 01:56 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

naturally, since you need them so badly in order to "believe" it. Give me a day to gather it all

Actually now that I think about it you are the one that believes in David Icke, in that you believe strongly against him. I just see him as a person who spends his life researching and lecturing and he offers plenty of new ideas.

then again I have actually read his books

have you?


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Re: tell me about buddhism (occultism) [Re: faslimy]
    #4354380 - 06/30/05 06:48 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

David Icke is not a responsible information bucket.


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Re: tell me about buddhism (occultism) [Re: faslimy]
    #4354473 - 06/30/05 08:25 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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faslimy said:
the dalai lame is a tantric practitioner, yet he says he is a celibate monk, how can this be when the vajrayana requires the buddha of compassion to have a "magickal consort"

he also is supposed to have renounced all drugs and alcohol....so why does he get wasted and fuck his "magickal consorts" in the potala?

Disrespectful Nonsense

why were the 9th 10th 11th and 12th dalai lama ritually murdered?

More nonsense i see

why was chairman mao a student of the dalai lamas?

He was not a student of the Dalia Lama at all. The Dalai Lama  visited him in an attempt to secure peace.

why is vajrayana buddhisim identical to the old tibetan bon po cults?

Vajrayana Buddhism is not identical at all. The Bon tradition, since the arrival of Buddhism in Tibet, has become more and more like the Vajrayana path.

why is it buddhst teachings are handed down via an in-breed lineage the same as our royal elitests?

What are you talking about? Inbreed? Is this just another attempt at being disrespectful? Lineage is important to retain the transmisison of the teaching for future generations. The polictical elitlist side of the Tulku reincarnation system is about the only thing i disgareed with within the Buddhist systems. This is purely political. But has changed significantly since the invasion of Tibet with more and more western people being recognized outside of traditional families, such as Osel Tenzin, the reincarnation of Lama Yehse, who was born to Spanish parents. But nevertheless, all polotics aside, any person who from a young age, goes through the Tulku training system is certain to come out with some high level of realization.

why is the shamballah myth the same as the nazi theory of creation?

Sources please? Even if this was true, i would not be suprised as Adolf Hitler did know asome things about Buddhism, as he stole the swatika (turning it the opposite way around) from buddhist iconography.

why did russian soldiers find dead tibetan monks in nazi germany in 1945?

Sources???

why was heinrich harrah, (an SS officer) close and personal friends with the current dalai lama, and why did the dalai lama himself lie about this fact, and co-operate with an illuminati owned movie company to fashion a story that would appear to have no relavence to the truth as quoted by harrah himself?

Sources? You cant go making these claims without backing them up. Its thoroughly disrespectful.

how is it that the dalai lama and all the rimpoches and lamas are able to amass such great wealth, seemingly from nowhere?

They can materialize it from the air and can grow money on trees :lol:

why do they drink menstrul blood from a skull cup?

They dont, they drink wine which symbolizes menstral blood (female energy), as part of some tantric rites. Telling you why would break my vows

why is it the yogi's and wanderers of tibet who are at the top of their hierachy?

What heirachy??? huh?

why are there warring factions between buddhisim?

There were no waring factions within Buddhism. The only animosity was between the Gelugpa tradition, and most other traditions, as the Gelugpa had the backing of the political heads, and as such were taking over other monestaries. There were no waring factions though. i dont know where you got this info from

why did the dalai lama accept weapons from the british crown to fight civil wars?

Sources???

why do the tantrickers practice holy/spiritual warfare with magickal weapons?

What a load of shit :lol:

why do they treat women like absolute shit, yet worship the goddess aspect via reverse symbolism and tantra.

Since when did they treat women like shit? Women had the same rights as men, they could become nuns or lay people, they could practice Sutra, Tantra or any othe rpath. There were many Women Tantrikas Such as Chadgud Tulku's mother, who was an emenation of Tara Buddha. So what are you talking about???

why do they claim that the dietys are not real, yet use them for their own ends profusely.

What??? You need to do some reaseach and study [/u[

why is the dalai lama a reincarnation of "the buddha of compassion" and also "Yama" the lord of death...who holds and turns the wheel of suffering (samsara) and ALSO a female diety, or feminine consort?

Ive never heard this one before. The Dalia Lama is only considered to be an emenation  fo the Buddha of compassion, nothing more. Sources please???






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Re: tell me about buddhism (occultism) [Re: faslimy]
    #4354477 - 06/30/05 08:30 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)


naturally, since you need them so badly in order to "believe" it. Give me a day to gather it all


Of course I need references to back up extraordinary claims. I don't go around believing everything I hear.

Oh, and don't post some text by an obscure violent, ancient buddhist sect and claim that it represents something all buddhists do, which is what I have a funny feeling you're going to do.


then again I have actually read his books

have you?


Bits of them, they were total crap. The guy hardly makes any sense half the time, most of his arguments are complete non sequitors.

Have you read anything critical of David Icke? When you read his books, are you making sure to follow his logic closely to ensure he's not leaping to conclusions or do you just say "well, he did lots of research, obviously that means everything he says is correct!".


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Re: tell me about buddhism (occultism) [Re: Phluck]
    #4354527 - 06/30/05 09:13 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

David Icke's a lizard fucka. The reptile men will bite your heads off if you don't believe him.

Tha Dalai Llama doesn't allow sex during the day. Not cool man. He's promoted as this hip, progressive leader but some of the things he writes about just ain't cool.


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Re: tell me about buddhism (occultism) [Re: Phluck]
    #4354545 - 06/30/05 09:28 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Looking at the web page alone is enough to set one's bullshit meter off. I have never read his stuff...and after viewing his web page and reading it...I never will.


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Re: tell me about buddhism (occultism) [Re: ninjapixie]
    #4354573 - 06/30/05 09:43 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know if this is true, so I would like some verification. I heard he felt masturbation to be very wrong. Anyone know about this?


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    #4354581 - 06/30/05 09:49 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I saw this on a tv show where someone compared the popes teaching with the dalai Lama's. Everyone thought the pope was the conservative one before they heard what the dalai lama taught. There was a book he referred to which I forget, but there was a bunch of other sex related stuff he didn't approve of like masterbation and bum sex.


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Re: tell me about buddhism (occultism) [Re: ninjapixie]
    #4354613 - 06/30/05 10:09 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Poor ol geezer. :tongue:


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Re: tell me about buddhism (occultism) [Re: faslimy]
    #4354666 - 06/30/05 10:34 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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the dalai lame is a tantric practitioner, yet he says he is a celibate monk, how can this be when the vajrayana requires the buddha of compassion to have a "magickal consort"



Though I doubt it, this sort of thing is possible, especially in the past... who knows what sort of crazy secretive shit goes on... but deriving this sort of stuff is difficult because it relies on scholars interpreting metaphors in texts, and metaphors can be easily misinterpreted. You can find a "scholarly" interpretation that goes in every direction for most religious texts, so be wary.
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he also is supposed to have renounced all drugs and alcohol....so why does he get wasted and fuck his "magickal consorts" in the potala?




Ecstatic sex rites? Who the fuck knows. Did you take part in one? Did it happen - did the Dali Lama pluck your buttflower?

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why was chairman mao a student of the dalai lamas?




I seriously doubt that, and if he was, it couldn't have been for very long. If he was ever, it was probably while he was young, since he persecuted the shit out of Tibetans and caused the Dali Lama to flee the country. This, however, would make no sense - Mao was an ardent communist by 21, and the Dali Lama wasnt born till 35. I'd assume the Dali Lama didn't really have students very early on, and even if he had them at 10, in 1945, Mao would have been 52. It just doesn't make sense, but I guess there could have been some vast conspiracy.

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why is vajrayana buddhisim identical to the old tibetan bon po cults?





That is a bunch of bullshit. It's not identical. Vajrayana appropriated plenty of Bon po myths and ritual practices because both co-existed in the same region. Bon po is the indigenous tradition and Buddhism is the foreign and missionary tradition. There has been plenty of cultural exchange, but not without tension. There are still seperate Bon po practitioners.

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why is it buddhst teachings are handed down via an in-breed lineage the same as our royal elitests?




An inbreed lineage? I don't know about that... the Dali Lama is believed to be a continual reincarnation, and he hardly falls under the same physiological bloodline each time.

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why is the shamballah myth the same as the nazi theory of creation?




If this is the case, which I'm unsure of, it's probably because Nazi occultism has its roots in the Theosophist movement, which in turn took many ideas from the East, including the swastika (though this appears the world over).

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why did russian soldiers find dead tibetan monks in nazi germany in 1945?




(I wanted to reply as if this question were a common joke, but I can't think of a witty response. Anyone?)

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why was heinrich harrah, (an SS officer) close and personal friends with the current dalai lama, and why did the dalai lama himself lie about this fact, and co-operate with an illuminati owned movie company to fashion a story that would appear to have no relavence to the truth as quoted by harrah himself?




Jesus Christ! Well, perhaps it didn't happen and he wasn't lying?!

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how is it that the dalai lama and all the rimpoches and lamas are able to amass such great wealth, seemingly from nowhere?




Seemingly from nowhere? The whole fucking Tibetan society does assloads of work, and the priestly class is the ruling class! That's how! It's the same with any ruling class - they assemble great wealth by having everyone do work for them!

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why do they drink menstrul blood from a skull cup?




They are tyring to be hip but mistakenly learned their hipness from photographs I took last Halloween and accidentally left in India... shit!

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why is it the yogi's and wanderers of tibet who are at the top of their hierachy?




Because in that society, they're the ruling class. It just happened that way.

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why are there warring factions between buddhisim?




They don't fight very much, if at all, and it's because they disagree on philosophical issues as well as baser issues... throughout China, for instance, Buddhism generally sought governmental favour (and so funds and prestige). Different sects do things differently.

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why did the dalai lama accept weapons from the british crown to fight civil wars?




I don't know if the Dali Lama himself accepted weapons, but I know that Tibetans - including monks - accepted weapons via airdrop from the CIA to fight against China. This is common information and plenty of Tibetans admit to it. Why would they do this? Probably because they were being pushed out of their land. That can drive people to arms...

"why do the tantrickers practice holy/spiritual warfare with magickal weapons?"
(I have run out of quotes - apparently only 15 allowed..) Practicing spiritual warfare with real weapons is dangerous!


"why do they treat women like absolute shit, yet worship the goddess aspect via reverse symbolism and tantra."

Alas, women were rather subjugated and unable to penetrate the priestly class - heh, heh - though this doesn't mean they were unhappy. It's hard to say. Misogyny is rampant around the world, unfortunately.


"why do they claim that the dietys are not real, yet use them for their own ends profusely."

This is complex, and you're not fully understanding it. But consider this - even if I don't believe in the actual existence of a deity, it still might prove a useful tool to invoke said deity during meditation.


"why is the dalai lama a reincarnation of "the buddha of compassion" and also "Yama" the lord of death...who holds and turns the wheel of suffering (samsara) and ALSO a female diety, or feminine consort?"

I'm not sure whether this is true, but if so, I could easily see various mystical interpretations. But you need to understand mythology to understand any such thing...


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