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Veritas

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Tantric Spiritual Experience
#4077206 - 04/20/05 01:44 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shortly after beginning to study and practice Tantra, I began having intense experiences of spiritual communion with divine, energetic beings. I have felt amazing sensations of energy transforming my body, and have experienced physical changes in my body composition (i.e. increased muscle tone, decreased body fat) without having changed my diet or exercise. My question is: Has anyone else experienced the same or similar spiritual and physical effects from Tantric practice?
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: Veritas]
#4077242 - 04/20/05 01:54 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Veritas said: Shortly after beginning to study and practice Tantra, I began having intense experiences of spiritual communion with divine, energetic beings. I have felt amazing sensations of energy transforming my body, and have experienced physical changes in my body composition (i.e. increased muscle tone, decreased body fat) without having changed my diet or exercise. My question is: Has anyone else experienced the same or similar spiritual and physical effects from Tantric practice?
Veritas, You are a beautiful Divine soul. I am so happy for you. I am working towards this with my partner. I have a lot of sexual repression from my childhood and my partner is so very supportive in the work I have to do. She is a constant inspiration to me and sex with her has been wonderfully challenging and healing. It's the most important work on spiritually I've tackled in many years.
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: Icelander]
#4077248 - 04/20/05 01:56 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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By the way. Welcome to the Shroomery. I hope to hear more from you.
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: Veritas]
#4077663 - 04/20/05 03:26 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I seem to intuit my way through the stuff others study and I'll add confirmation to your experience for you. Those beings are awesome helpers. I got em working on energy body upgrades as we speak shifting gear ratio's around. In the case of the energy body matrix that supports the physical, the chakras act like gears.
Lately I feel like I have been peddaling fast on a ten speed bike in first gear and want to shift up in gears to not have to peddle so fast to go the same speed. There's no resistance and life is getting way too easy right now and it feels strange. I feel like I want to make it a little harder to peddle to strengthen up this puupy more and get it to take on more energy.
Blah Blah anyway. Tantra is awesome to study. Cool for you. You will be able to keep yourself and lovers blissfully satisfied.
Spudamore here studies it, but he hasn't posted in a while.
Welcome!
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is this anything like meet the fockers?
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: redgreenvines]
#4077740 - 04/20/05 03:42 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have yet to see that. Plan to rent it as soon as it comes out. I LOVED Meet the Parents.
Geez FOCKER! It's just a game.
Soo, plan to have any littlre fockers running around?
Funny movie! Was Meet the Fockers any good? It'll be nice to see Babs again. She's sort of dropped out of the limelight for a spell.
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: Veritas]
#4077885 - 04/20/05 04:31 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its all just sensations, do not get attached to them, i think this is an essential point of Tantra. These beings are just manifestations of your own energy, so do not get distracted by them either, attachments are the breeding ground for problems. Its good that you are getting some benefit, but be aware that these things are all temporary and will pass, if you remember this then you will get less dissapointed, frustrated and discouraged when they come to an end. There are many visions and experiences that can occur from practicing Tantra, these are just experiences, continue undistracted by them and your progress will not get blocked. Most important of all, enjoy completly without attachment, let go and life appears as just a miraculous, magical display of energy.
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: egghead1]
#4077951 - 04/20/05 04:44 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Its all just sensations, do not get attached to them, i think this is an essential point of Tantra. These beings are just manifestations of your own energy, so do not get distracted by them either, attachments are the breeding ground for problems. Its good that you are getting some benefit, but be aware that these things are all temporary and will pass, if you remember this then you will get less dissapointed, frustrated and discouraged when they come to an end. There are many visions and experiences that can occur from practicing Tantra, these are just experiences, continue undistracted by them and your progress will not get blocked. Most important of all, enjoy completly without attachment, let go and life appears as just a miraculous, magical display of energy."
So, you guarantee this to be absolute fact? Validate this in a qualitative fashion.
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: Veritas]
#4078219 - 04/20/05 05:47 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, well, good, loving sex can change one's complexion from pimples to glow in no time at all, not to mention the self-esteem which translates into confident body language and smooth conversation (remember the 'Billy' character in 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest')? It can also be quite the aerobic workout, isometric and isotonic exercise. One needen't cast it in supernatural terms (Oh no! I think I've caught Swami-itis!)
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I agree with this, although there are other things that can have the same effect
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: egghead1]
#4078263 - 04/20/05 05:59 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tantra IS an art of letting go and life appears as just a miraculous, magical display of energy. I thought you agreed that more then just Buddhism could take one there and that the Buddhist way wasn't the only one way?
Yes, typically , when one lets go of their individuated beingness, they experience more of their "beings".
Don't get attached to what you already are in miraculous energy Essenes? That's funny. You can't separate yourself from it save for within the creation of a delusion illusion of separation which would require self denial, self betrayal and self rejection. No thanks!
That's like saying, "Don't get to attached to your Divine self." How far do you take this detachment stuff Eggo? Tantra takes you out of the physical and brings more of spirit into it. You're either all of it, none of it or both at the same time.
The idea is not to attach your sense of self to things of the material world that will fade including your physical body. Tantra takes you beyond what is impermanent beyond the physical and into the eternal which is why it's such a blissful practice and the beingness ( state of beings present) comes alive. You can have orgasmic tantric sex without even touching physical bodies because of this. It all happens in the co mingling of the subtle energy bodies and the joy of realizing the unity that always has been.
Since when is divine Essenes temporary and does divine Essenes Pass?
We in the physical may temporarily experience it and those blissful experiences come and go (pass) but IT is always present and there to be realized eternally.
If they are manifestations of your own energy (which I agree for the most part from the big perspective) then it is all you. How can you not be attached to what is of yourself?
What are you talking about?
The beings who help me are all the facets of me in broader states of know how awareness then I can yet be in this limited form. We all have them as there is a lot more to who we are then we are aware of when just in ego.
When I let go of the physical me through what would be tantric like states I become aware of more of my self in subtle essences and energy bodies that is not a part of the limited ego creation of the physical reality and physical body.
What is it you think becoming aware of your multidimensionality means?
I fully understand not getting attached to material things and titles, but spirit Essenes and energy is what we are. trying to detach yourself from that will hurt like hell. That's how hell is created and why it's a place of suffering.
Maybe it's just the way you word stuff Eggo. I know Buddhism doesn't teach itself as the only way to realizing the bliss we are. I realize now that its you that believes it's the only right way. If it's the right way for you great. Not everyone resonates with it or has had the same negative experiences you have exploring the self via other means.
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Are you writing "Essenes" but meaning 'essence?" Essenes were a vegetarian, celibate Jewish 1st century sect.
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When one has hit the point of philosophising about sex in supernatural terms it is way past time for the said individual to get laid.
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4078695 - 04/20/05 07:51 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Agreed.
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The spell checker does that and I don't check the spell checker. Yes, I mean to type essence. Thanks Markos. I read a book a ways back called The Way Of The Essenes". I loved it. What a group!
Hue Hue. Just physical 5 sensory sex can be amazing. Add the subtle bodies to it and the extra sensory percpetors and well Love and its speachless to describe. It's really just the difference between physical emotionally detached sex and what making love is like. It's not over complicated. If you have "made love" then you know the difference and by your age being married I'm sure you have and do. Then again, you mentioned some aspergers and I'm not sure how that would come into play to effect it if at all. I don't expect you to share your sex life here Hue 
Like with any experience in life is god, if you know how to heighten it, you make it even better. Love makes everything better.
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"It's really just the difference between physical emotionally detached sex and what making love is like."
I understand the difference. I think I am doing all right in that area...I got 20 years of marriage behind me and my wife is still putting up with my egotistical bullshit...I must be doing something right.
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4078796 - 04/20/05 08:24 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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He He. You are lovable too! I actually read some guy here in a post a way back saying that he didn't know the difference and that there wasn't one and it was just sex. He did it like he was braggin about not knowing the difference too. It was sad and funny at the same time.
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Yeah I read it. That is unfortunately the view of many men...particularly the young guys....I used to be one.
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: redgreenvines]
#4078908 - 04/20/05 08:51 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Michael Jackson practices Tantra...
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One needen't cast it in supernatural terms (Oh no! I think I've caught Swami-itis!)
HEY! Don't be working my side of the street.
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: Swami]
#4078941 - 04/20/05 08:56 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Michael Jackson practices Tantra..."
Yuck!!!! Double Yuck!!!
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4078975 - 04/20/05 09:01 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, he also practices pedophilia. Swam, why taint a beautiful experience with that image?
Are you implying that the heightening of states into the subtle bodies leads to pedophilia? 
Actually the fact they are children is what heightens the thrill for them but that has nothing to do with something being heightened by love. That about something being heightened via a massive warping and twisting of it.
Yuck Double Yuck!
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: Veritas]
#4079973 - 04/21/05 02:27 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Veritas said: Shortly after beginning to study and practice Tantra, I began having intense experiences of spiritual communion with divine, energetic beings. I have felt amazing sensations of energy transforming my body,
A couple of questions: (1) what do you mean by 'communion'?; (2) why do you think these are beings? I mean, are you just feeling sensations, and attributing them to divine beings? Or do they talk to you? Do you feel them as distinct presences?
I'm not questioning your experiences, I'm just curious.
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gettinjiggywithit said: Tantra IS an art of letting go and life appears as just a miraculous, magical display of energy. I thought you agreed that more then just Buddhism could take one there and that the Buddhist way wasn't the only one way?
Yes, i do agree, what was your point again? Where did i say anything about Buddhism being the only way to do this? Are you just trying to be antagonistic?
Yes, typically , when one lets go of their individuated beingness, they experience more of their "beings".
Don't get attached to what you already are in miraculous energy Essenes? That's funny. You can't separate yourself from it save for within the creation of a delusion illusion of separation which would require self denial, self betrayal and self rejection. No thanks!
No i said don't get attached to feelings, sensations and visions because they are impermanent and will not last. They are but manifestations of our own nature but if we get attached to them we see them as something special and separate from ourselves, then it blocks our capacity to let go (attachment = grasping) which doesn't help with Tantric practice. There is no self-denial, self betrayal or self-rejection involved, aren't you being a little silly for suggesting that this is what i was implying?
That's like saying, "Don't get to attached to your Divine self." How far do you take this detachment stuff Eggo? Tantra takes you out of the physical and brings more of spirit into it. You're either all of it, none of it or both at the same time.
No its not like saying that, but if you are attached to some concept of your Divine self then i would definitely recommend letting go of that concept. As far as detachment goes, everyone seems to see this word in a negative way, but its not like that, it just means not to grasp, not to enter into judgment, basically it means just to leave everything in its natural place with no attempt to manipulate, speculate or judge anything, it means freedom from grasping and attachment. If we are free from attachment to what we perceive everything manifests as blissful and light, that is the essence of Tantra.
The idea is not to attach your sense of self to things of the material world that will fade including your physical body. Tantra takes you beyond what is impermanent beyond the physical and into the eternal which is why it's such a blissful practice and the beingness ( state of beings present) comes alive. You can have orgasmic tantric sex without even touching physical bodies because of this. It all happens in the co mingling of the subtle energy bodies and the joy of realizing the unity that always has been.
Yes i agree to some extent, in Buddhist and Hindu Tantra their is this view that everything on the material level is just a symbol of our own inner being, we don't ascend to a higher plane or anything, its just that we go beyond the symbols into the essence of being, which is the deathless state, of course. But know-one should confuse Tantra as just a sexual practice, its a whole system of practices within Buddhism and Hinduism, sexual practices are not main emphasis at all. It seems that alot of people have the idea that Tantra = sex, this isn't true.
Since when is divine Essenes temporary and does divine Essenes Pass?
No the divine essence is beyond temporary conditions, i said that any experiences, sensations and vision that occur as a result of the practice of Tantra are impermanent, so we shouldn't get attached to them, you cannot get attached to your own essence because its discovered within the spirit of non-attachment, but you can get attached to the infininte manifestations that arise out of it, because due to ignorance they appear to be seemingly separate from ourselves.
We in the physical may temporarily experience it and those blissful experiences come and go (pass) but IT is always present and there to be realized eternally.
WHAT is there presently to be recognised? Its best not to emphasis the nature of things until we have thoroughly understood the impermanent existence of our physical, material existence. You seem to be falling into the extreme of eternalism, our physical existence is'nt what ties us to suffering, its our dualistic consideration of subject and object that does.
If they are manifestations of your own energy (which I agree for the most part from the big perspective) then it is all you. How can you not be attached to what is of yourself?
Exactly, but people do everyday! This is why people have so many problems in life, because we are attached to temporary conditions and suffer when they pass away. Ignorance of the impermanent nature of all conditioned existence is the main cause of our suffering, the rope that ties us is our dualistic mind. We have many examples of this in our life, all we need do is observe and recognize
What are you talking about?
The beings who help me are all the facets of me in broader states of know how awareness then I can yet be in this limited form. We all have them as there is a lot more to who we are then we are aware of when just in ego.
That's nice for you, maybe they will help you go to the heavenly realms where you will experience much joy and happines for a long period of time.
When I let go of the physical me through what would be tantric like states I become aware of more of my self in subtle essences and energy bodies that is not a part of the limited ego creation of the physical reality and physical body.
OK, that's nice for you, but are you sure that these experiences arent just as true as the supposidly 'false' ego you created for the proliferation of lies and fabrications you invisisted on the bliss/suffering post
What is it you think becoming aware of your multidimensionality means?
I fully understand not getting attached to material things and titles, but spirit Essenes and energy is what we are. trying to detach yourself from that will hurt like hell. That's how hell is created and why it's a place of suffering.
The essence is what we are, but we are attached to the manifestations, this attachment is a reflection of our attachment to the concept of 'self' . Hell is a place of server aversion not detachment, you are confused as to what i mean by detachment, detachment means not grasping at any experience whether it be totally blissful or totally painful, then we can realize anatta (no-self) which means that if we observe 'who' experiences anything, we cannot find anyone, no self existence anywhere, this is the realization that cuts through the delusion of self. Hell is created in the mind of one who is averse to everything, that person is angry, paranoid, and attached to every experience believing that both experience and experience have real and solid existence when in fact their is none, everything is just empty-luminosity
Maybe it's just the way you word stuff Eggo. I know Buddhism doesn't teach itself as the only way to realizing the bliss we are. I realize now that its you that believes it's the only right way. If it's the right way for you great. Not everyone resonates with it or has had the same negative experiences you have exploring the self via other means.
Excuse me! When did i say or even imply that i believe that? Where did you formulate such a baseless assumption from? When did i even mention Buddhism in my previous post? What are you talking about? Stop making silly and baseless assumptions then i might actually believe that you have transcended your ignorance.
Just to clarify, No-self is not a negative experience, its not self-denial, nor some nihilistic point of view, that is an extreme, and in case you haven't noticed Buddhism is not about going to extremes. As far as my experience goes, there is no self to explore, as Einstein said, this self is like an optical illusion that separates us from the totality of the universe.
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: egghead1]
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Who practises pedophelia? Whatever happened to not guilty until proven otherwise?
Ummm... I digress, but judgmental speculation offends and burns bad in my solar plexus :P
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: dorkus]
#4080754 - 04/21/05 10:36 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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By whoms court determines what actually happened? OJ had Nicole's blood on his stuff but that evidence was not allowed because of technicalities. He was PROVEN Innocent by the courts of her murder. I think last year, 10 men who were proven guilty by a court of law and sent to prison were cleared of all charges and freed on DNA evidence.
I personally don't trust our judicial system to reveal the truth. I have learned to trust in my heart of discernment to reveal truths to me.
I was so relieved to finally hear some reporters on the news begin to question why the parents of the accusers are also not brought up on child neglect and endangerment charges for allowing their children to sleep with a 40 year old man unsupervised.
I think I have at least 3 of his CDs. I love his music. I love him. When you hear stories of his childhood and all the conflicting and harsh mixxed messages his was sent regarding sex at a young age through the salty life style on the road and through his moms religion, and take into acout Micheal says he trusts children but not adults and never got to play with other boys when he was young, it makes it easy to understand and have compassion for him.
It's easy to have compassion and understanding for the boys who found him exciting to be paid attention to by and for trusting in their parents judgment to leave them alone with him for over nighters.
Regarding the parents who would put their child in such a situation not just before but especially after such charges has been brought up against him in the past where out of court settlements were made, I have yet to be able to fully feel fellow feeling for how money can come before the trust your child puts in you.
I realize parents do it all of the time. I even understand in theory the lure of the power of money. What I don't understand is where the love was lost in those parent child relationships that choosing money and or greed over their trust and love happened. I'm working on understanding it better though. They must have stories too that explain it.
Mandelbrot, if better lawyers and technicalities prove him to be innocent of child molestation that just proves our legal system isn't just.
A sane man after being accused of it once and having to make a mega million dollar settlement to avoid going to jail does not continue wining and dining parents to get their children in bed with him unless he has a problem he can't control. I would prefer to get realistic and work on compassion and understanding regarding how all of this happens.
From a very young age, he was taught and encouraged to lie to the public about his truth to protect his career. He was told by his publicist that this form of lying is okay and done all of the time. This code of ethics was hard wired into him during his developmental years. If you hear the stories of his twisted upbringing, it's all very understandable.
yes, I believe the children and his staffer eye witness stories regarding the numerous child molestation claims that have come up against him over the years. I did not make a personal judgment about him being anything other then someone who got caught up n the fray, or the children or the parents. I am currently seeking a better understanding of what went hay wire with them to have allowed for it to happen. I am in forgiveness with it all Mandelbrot.
I did say that pedophilia is yucky too.
It's your choice to take offense to anyone who believes it happened regardless of what the courts decide. And yes, choosing to take offense does burn in the plexus because resistance friction is created in your power center when you have judgment putting resistance up against unconditional love.
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Jackson will be found innocent because of his insane wealth. I predict that it will, however, ruin him and drive him to bankruptcy in the long haul. Worst case scenario for him is that an angry, obsessed lunatic gets pissed at the ruling and caps him for a public service. Look at OJ, he was found innocent, but all of his rich friends dumped his ass and he even has a hard time renting apartments and houses because no one wants to live near the bastard.
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I think Jackson is a child, acts as a childs, and thinks as a child. He plays and sleeps with children, ummm... kinda weird, wouldn't do it, but a criminal? We cannot trus gut to judge serious stuff like that. People have been doing that too long.
I never liked his music though, nor the personality. But his path has rendered him psychologically ill. I feel sad for him and will do Metta in his honour tonight
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: dorkus]
#4081765 - 04/21/05 03:25 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree with you dr_mandlebort. He is just another suffering being who has lost his way. We can take him as yet another example of this and develop compassion. We can also have compassion for President Bush 
Thats some good medicine you'v got their doctor. Keep taking and perscribing your metta.
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: egghead1]
#4081785 - 04/21/05 03:30 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Let one of these "suffering being who has lost his way" touch my kids and I'll perform brain removal surgery by 12 gauge on his sorry ass.
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4081795 - 04/21/05 03:33 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, that would be the instinctive response. The funny thing is, not one of the parents even attempted to do that. That is what makes me suspicious.
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: egghead1]
#4081827 - 04/21/05 03:41 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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"We can also have compassion for President Bush "
Hmmm, aren't you stretching this compassion thing a bit far? jk
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: dorkus]
#4081837 - 04/21/05 03:45 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was gonna say Osama Bin Laden, but i thought that might be a little too extreme for some
Very funny mandlebrot, you made me laugh alot. Thank You
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4081889 - 04/21/05 03:56 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I definitely trust the legal system more than the press. They are fucking with us 
About ten years ago there was a pedophelia case in a small community in Bjogn, Norway. It was a mess, all over the TV. Small kids testefied of being molested, describing the details of the incidents. Both the press and general population of course judged these people long before the case went for court.
A year later it turned out everything was based on false accusations. This was not a fancy laywers victory, this was shedding light on the truth. It turned out the children had been led during interrogations. It is extremly easy to get false information out of a child, because during such settings the child always says what SHe feels or understands is expected of Hir. Always trying to satisfy. Anyway, lives were destroyd during this incident because everyone judged beforehand.
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: dorkus]
#4084465 - 04/22/05 09:53 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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dr_mandelbrot said: "We can also have compassion for President Bush "
Hmmm, aren't you stretching this compassion thing a bit far? jk
I have compassion for every living being. I don't have to like what we do.
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: wjames]
#4084472 - 04/22/05 09:56 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Veritas said: Shortly after beginning to study and practice Tantra, I began having intense experiences of spiritual communion with divine, energetic beings. I have felt amazing sensations of energy transforming my body,
A couple of questions: (1) what do you mean by 'communion'?; (2) why do you think these are beings? I mean, are you just feeling sensations, and attributing them to divine beings? Or do they talk to you? Do you feel them as distinct presences?
I'm not questioning your experiences, I'm just curious.
Yes I would also like to hear from Veritas on this. Curious also.
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Oh, come on now, you shouldn't discourage one from their first attempts ****ing outside the box. Seems that he's getting results, and with trial by success and failure, as I'm sure he eagerly will, he'll come to his own conclusions as to when things are stagnant. With a whirl of varieties of cultural misconceptions and hang ups towards sexuality, bringing ceremony into the bedroom might be exactly what he needs for where he is at right now. Remember, we're all in our own place in our development of Consciousness.
Like the zen aphorism "First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, there is", people can come to a middle ground where they've gotten glimpses of their future Selves and it's confusing. They realize if they carried down the same path that they were on they're on a limited trip, and are willing to go far out to get themselves really pure with the Universe.
If this includes Tantra, so be it. I've certainly been on many adventures (and misadventures) in my life (haven't you?). It takes time to fully understand your body and what turns you on, thus the expression "the youth is wasted on the young" --- but then again, when you see the vast amount of 40+ somethings at the singles bars knocking back liquor and using sex like a sedative, given the choice of the two I'd rather be a teen again invoking masculine divinity.
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: CosmicJoke]
#4092651 - 04/24/05 06:40 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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If I was raising children, I would never teach them that Santa Claus was a physical reality, nor the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Boogey Man, etc. If they reported having paranormal perceptions, I would take it from there on the level that the children could understand. It's a matter of NOT encouraging false assumptions about reality.
It is a weekly if not daily job for me to explain the difference between lust and love to middle school girls who have males after their nubile bodies: boys who are their age, high school age or into the 20's (who lie and say that they're 18). Putting their sexual foot forward without love first, the subsequent deception, the tendency to repeat the mistake ad nauseum, and the eventuality of becoming as jaded and ignorant of how to commence a healthy love relationship as their dysfunctional mothers is common. I've watched this process occur for almost 20 years. One needs to begin Life with the correct Self- Knowledge or disaster is almost inevitable.
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"I would never teach them that Santa Claus was a physical reality, nor the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Boogey Man"
Whoa there....Santa Claus, The Tooth Fairy, and The Easter Bunny are one thing, but quit picking on The Bogey Man (not Boogey, which implies he is interested in dancing, which I can assure you he is not, thank you) as he is absolutely real.
Seriously, these myths are part of the fun of childhood. My children turned out quite well. As long as you do not encourage these beliefs past the first or second grade your fine. If you child is approaching his mid 30s and still looks forward to Santa Claus you may have a problem. I used to work in a corporate environment where cleaning people came through every day to empty the trash. This was done by a man named John, who was 50 years old and mentally retarded, but who had had an interesting and varied life experience imparting to him a strange sort of wisdom. One day John came through with another man in his 30s who was obviously mentally handicapped. As was his custom John passed the time of day with me for 5 minutes or so as I enjoyed his viewpoint and stories. He sent the trainee into the next room to empty the trash cans there. As soon as he was gone John said "I thought I was really stupid, but that guy I am training still believes in Santa Claus!!!"
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ah, i recall some girls in college who'd skip class so they could watch their soap opera. sitting in for a few minutes every now and then to smoke a joint, i realized that the show presented the scenario exactly as you've layed it out, only guised with good looking, glamorous, wealthy adults, ad nauseum - hell, has been running for 3 decades! i thought these girls were mostly self-respecting good people with bad taste, but didn't realize how much they identified with the show until living near them again several years later and finding out that one had nearly had killed her and the boy she broke up with when he refused to take her home by jerking the steering wheel while they were on the highway causing his car to flip over several times. the other had performed acts of self-affliction with a knife when upset over a relationship.
not everyone, however, is co-dependent. i think a person who has came to peace with his/herself and knows the type of love for humanity that arises from what i'd too consider Self-Knowledge, should experiment sexually and sample around with others who know the same, receptive to the possibility of finding one monogamous partner that each would be grateful and honored to share a life with one another.
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: wjames]
#4094830 - 04/25/05 11:09 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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To respond to both wjames and Icelander: I describe my experience as "communion" because it evoked in me not fear or awe, but a sense of true spiritual connection with peers. The reading that I had done about Tantra portrayed the "sacred couple" as being parental figures, above us, but my experience of them was closer to that of siblings. I felt truly welcomed as family, and without condescension or "generational" distance. As to why I believe they are beings, I simply cannot refer to them in any other way. I sensed energy and consciousness that was not mine. The communication was not in words, but in transformative energetic pulses. This is challenging to describe...if you can imagine comfortably warm rays, similar to June sunshine, which alter your thoughts and emotions. That is the mode of communication I found myself receiving. To clarify my experience to all those who have posted in response: I am female, my Tantra practice is primarily solo, and I had considered myself an agnostic prior to these contacts.
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: Veritas]
#4096679 - 04/25/05 07:16 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Amazing! I would have no way to evaluate this due to any experience of my own. You do sound fairly sane. I know one person that practices Tantra, very well. She is, in my experience one of the two most grounded and aware people I have ever met. I have been to a cuddle party with some others who practiced Tantra and they were very open and loving, but that was unfortunately my only experience with them.
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: Veritas]
#4107028 - 04/28/05 12:58 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Veritas: if you'd like a Multi-disciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) Journal titled _Psychedelics, Spirituality, and Sexuality_, just PM me and send me a few $ for shipping and handling and it's yours. Some hip psychedelic sculptor gave it to me after he finished reading it several years ago, I read it the following day, and it's been burried in my book vault only to resurface upon' some hardcore spring cleaning. Rather than chuck things like most college kids (dumpster diving is a columbus, ohio pastime) i always make an effort to think if anyone out there would appreciate what i'm ousting. from your post it might just be up your alley.
Namaste, CJ
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Re: Tantric Spiritual Experience [Re: CosmicJoke]
#4107158 - 04/28/05 01:35 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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might just be up your alley. 
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