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Re: an observation.. [Re: psyillyazul]
    #4283290 - 06/11/05 11:51 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

A star is everythung BUT balance. It seeks balance. Every movement is imbalance seeking balance. Why does wind blow? Because the pressure of air is not in balance.

And every act that is considered immoral, is imbalance seeking balance also. Why does a killer kill? Because he has the urge, urge is imbalance, and seeks balance. Balance in this case is a dead body and a satisfied killer.

A moral act of capturing the killer putting him up against the wall in anger, pushing him in the car with anger, and sentancing him to death, is the SAME imbalance seeking balance. It's motion.

I see no difference between these two acts. Both had a motive, a method, and a culmination that brings satisfaction.
One of them is considered moral, one immoral.

This is an example of a descructive moral and destructive immoral act

Here is an example of constructive moral and constructive immoral act:

A man kills humans and collects their skulls. Later on uses them to make a sculpture. The sculpture is highly appretiated among the likes of him. That is both destructive and constructive

Then another man creates statues out of wood, statues are used on exibitions to collect money for hungry children. But trees were killed to make them. This act is also both constructive and destructive.

One of the acts is immoral, one is moral by stanrdars of morality.
but they are the same, a delicate bargain of death and creation.

The moral difference between the two comes from humans sensatization to one set of acts, and desensatization to another set of acts.
They can be reversed too. A nazi officer probably cared more about his plant at home than some hungry poor old jew that he was beating.

It is all very relative. Every motion in the universe is harming something and benefiting something else. A rock that moves from one place to the other has opened passage for one set of ants, and blocked the passage for another set of ants.

p.s. There is nothing dark about a star swalowing us. It would actually be pretty bright, and orange.


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Re: an observation.. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4283913 - 06/11/05 03:43 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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feel free to add anything you want , there is still unlimited room for everyone to post




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Re: an observation.. [Re: Gomp]
    #4283917 - 06/11/05 03:45 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Why does wind blow? Because the pressure of air is in balance.

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Re: an observation.. [Re: Gomp]
    #4283953 - 06/11/05 03:58 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

seeking balance is also in balance cause it's in the middle of a transformation from one thing to another?

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Re: an observation.. [Re: Arp]
    #4283974 - 06/11/05 04:12 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

yea, but like I said seeking balance is not always moral, but it is natural. Seeking balance IS the law of the universe because it applies to everything from gas, to organisms, stars, forces, society etc.
But it can not be called morality, because violence is also seeking balance


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Re: an observation.. [Re: Gomp]
    #4283976 - 06/11/05 04:12 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

It wouldn't be blowing if it was in balance


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Re: an observation.. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4283982 - 06/11/05 04:14 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

But balance itself, isnt that a fabrication to try to create a logical pattern in chaos?

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Re: an observation.. [Re: Arp]
    #4283990 - 06/11/05 04:18 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Balance is something we picked up from experience.
Motion stops where there is balance.

When you blow a baloon, it stops expanding when the presure from your lings is equal to the pressure in the baloon. That is balance.
Equality.

You could say that balance is a form of natural morality, but
that would bring some implications that many would not like.
For example, in that case the urge to kill would not be moral, but
it would be moral to get rid of that urge by killing.


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Re: an observation.. [Re: Arp]
    #4283991 - 06/11/05 04:20 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

and balance is not a logical pattern, it is just simple equality
of anything


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Re: an observation.. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4284016 - 06/11/05 04:32 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
and balance is not a logical pattern, it is just simple equality
of anything



There most be a pattern for us to be able to claim what to be in
balance and what not to? Else we wouldnt be able to interpret it.
We would get different observations each time.
All of the sudden the baloon continue to expand allthou equal pressure.

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Re: an observation.. [Re: Arp]
    #4284023 - 06/11/05 04:34 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

If you mean pattern in that way, then yes, we have concept of balance by finding a pattern in all things


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Re: an observation.. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4284065 - 06/11/05 04:58 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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And I ask you one more question: what is the difference between legality and morality? I say there is non, because both are decided just like that, they are not based on any universal imperatives



The difference is where we want it to be. Those two are just constructions. You can compare anything you want or create new things to compare. Right?

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Re: an observation.. [Re: Arp]
    #4284103 - 06/11/05 05:22 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

right


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Re: an observation.. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4284822 - 06/11/05 10:08 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

"Motion stops where there is balance." -Specter

Are you fucking kidding?? What kind of half ass physics are you trying to preach??

The most basic element has TWO electrons that are locked in equally opposing chaos around a nucleus. This is perfect balance, but perfect chaos. This whole solar system is an obvious 'balance', its moving alright. Think things through before you preach, pal. I don't know where you get your 'knowledge', I say shut up and eat up. Sorry. You and your ideas are flawed from element number one, start from there and take note. The balance is a pattern that your ego relies on. Get rid of it. See with new eyes.

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Re: an observation.. [Re: psyillyazul]
    #4284850 - 06/11/05 10:35 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

"do not take seriously anything I say, I don' know anything" -Specter

Oh I see. Sheesh, I could tell. Why do you fashion your statements as such. Why not ask questions as opposed to make accusations??

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Re: an observation.. [Re: psyillyazul]
    #4284853 - 06/11/05 10:36 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

shing shing

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Re: an observation.. [Re: psyillyazul]
    #4285874 - 06/12/05 06:21 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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psyillyazul said:
The balance is a pattern that your ego relies on. Get rid of it. See with new eyes.




yes sir


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Re: an observation.. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4286740 - 06/12/05 12:26 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

It's the Truth. "You only see what you want to believe." -Bradley Nowell

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Re: an observation.. [Re: psyillyazul]
    #4286751 - 06/12/05 12:30 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

how do you know what is truth and what is not?


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Re: an observation.. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4302445 - 06/16/05 01:38 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

When you chose to accept perhaps maybe a different belief system than your own. Or abandon beliefs altogether and get right down to the common ground of all world belief. You can back it all up through myth and art. But you have to know what to look for. Its a language unto itself.

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