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Re: Energy [Re: Le_Canard]
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you eat an apple,and use its energy to imagine an apple


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I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Energy [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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you eat an apple,and use its energy to imagine an apple

In a roundabout way, yes.

To extend the metaphor, you ultimately use solar energy to imagine the apple. All life on Earth is solar powered at the root (except for some weird deep sea critters who use chemosynthesis instead of photosynthesis).


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Energy [Re: Diploid]
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But our thoughts are electrical as well as chemical, so thoughts ARE energy.  :smile:

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Re: Energy [Re: Veritas]
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No, thoughts are the result of the transfer of energy from place to place; they are not, in and of themselves, energy.

The definition of energy is the ability to do work. In the case of thoughts, energy is used to move myelin ions around, excite neurons, synthesis neurotransmitters, and other brain processes, but the thoughts themselves are the result of these activities, they are not energy.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Energy [Re: Diploid]
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I do not believe the ability to do work is the sole definition of energy.

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Re: Energy [Re: Veritas]
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What additional definition do you propose?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Energy [Re: Veritas]
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Main Entry: en?er?gy
Pronunciation: 'e-n&r-jE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -gies
Etymology: Late Latin energia, from Greek energeia activity, from energos active, from en in + ergon work -- more at WORK
1 a : dynamic quality <narrative energy> b : the capacity of acting or being active <intellectual energy>
2 : vigorous exertion of power : EFFORT <investing time and energy>
3 : the capacity for doing work
4 : usable power (as heat or electricity); also : the resources for producing such power
synonym see POWER

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Re: Energy [Re: Veritas]
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All that can be distilled down to "the ability to do work".

Energy is measured in joules, calories, kilowatt-hour, newton-meters, electron-volt, kilogram meter per second squared, and other dimensions. All of them are interchangeable with some conversion coefficient, and all of them express an ability to do work.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Energy [Re: Diploid]
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The definition I had in mind was:

4 : usable power (as heat or electricity); also : the resources for producing such power.

The measurement of brain activity (thoughts) is accomplished through an electroencephalogram, or EEG test. Our thoughts produce electrical impulses, and so are "resources for producing such power."

Or do you believe our thoughts occur AFTER the electrical transmission between the synapses?

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Re: Energy [Re: Veritas]
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Or do you believe our thoughts occur AFTER the electrical transmission between the synapses?

Sensory input, quantum randomness at the lowest material levels, and perhaps some third currently unknown component give rise to thoughts. But energy is part of the MECHANISM of thought; it is not thought itself.

EEGs measure this mechanism; EEGs do not measure thoughts.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Energy [Re: Diploid]
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What do you believe sets the quantum randomness and X factor in motion?

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Re: Energy [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
No, thoughts are the result of the transfer of energy from place to place; they are not, in and of themselves, energy.

The definition of energy is the ability to do work. In the case of thoughts, energy is used to move myelin ions around, excite neurons, synthesis neurotransmitters, and other brain processes, but the thoughts themselves are the result of these activities, they are not energy.


well if you put it that way, then they are nothing, they are abstract


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I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Energy [Re: Veritas]
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I don't know. There appears to be no way to ever know the underlying mechanism that drives quantum events. This is one of the central themes of quantum mechanics.

Some people say God, or a Soul, or (fill in the blank).

All are as good an answer as Nothing At All since from all appearances, it is not possible to ever know what's inside the proverbial closed watch whose behavior we can observe and whose innards we can speculate about but never know.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Energy [Re: Diploid]
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Yes, I don't know, either! I am fascinated with quantum mechanics.

My best guess is that EVERYTHING is energy, and that our thoughts represent the "tip of the iceberg" of our power to create reality.

Perhaps we will never know the TRUTH of it, but I enjoy experimenting with my hypothesis!

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Re: Energy [Re: Veritas]
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I wouldn't say that everything is energy, but both energy, matter and whatever else exists is basicly the same thing in different arrangements. Rudjer Boshkovitch felt that was true too.

And in fact it makes perfect sense when you consider the big bang theory. If everything happened from one little point, then everything must have been one substance in the first place.
I'm having a hard time imagining endleslly small point composed of multiple substances.

The next step that could explain a lot of things would be that all that substance never got separated in the first place, only streched and twisted.


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I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Energy [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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Or maybe just included more of what we consider "empty" space?

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Re: Energy [Re: Veritas]
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There is no such thing as empty space, at least not in theory.
If you consider this substance that we are talking about as "something" than there is no place that we know of where there is nothing. From each place in the universe you can see some light. If you put unexposed film at any place in space it will be exposed because of distant starlight. So every inch of the universe is filled with some kind of radiation, wheather it is light or background radiation or whatever. And since this energy is the same thing as matter in this theory, the whole universe is continuous and there are no holes.

Black holes? Well they absorb energy and matter, so they are themselfs a collection of matter/energy.

The universe is then one big chewing gumb being streched and changed every second.

Humans have not yet discovered nonexistence. It is only a theory.
There is no place on earth or in space that we know of that is empty of all matter and energy


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I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Energy [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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Yes, this is why I said "empty" space. Perhaps as embodied beings, humans place undue importance on matter?

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Re: Energy [Re: Veritas]
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Our magnetic field is as fractal throughout our bodies..
A cell got one, as our entire body got one..
The earth got one, and we see this one, outlined by charged particles from the sun, which is hitting the magnetic field, as ?northern lights?.

Predicting and out come of an event, not settled before it occurs, makes it random.

What is not random, is to us instantly occurring, like a pick up of a though, and eating of an apple. We, in lacking any definite plan, order and purpose, are random, at the occurrences end. What has occurred, is not random, it has settled as it is, however, combing these occurred facts with the randomness, gives movement to what is settled, and we got change.

Change is random, but in form of foresight; we can i.e. throw a dice on a plain surface, not knowing what the number will be, and still knowing it will be one of the six numbers.

Changes take form, first as the last thought, as me hitting these keys, I see the possibilities, and I know I can do it. If the focus an attention level dropped, so does the certainty of intent coming to be. When hitting and unintentional key, when writing a word, it is one of the possibilities, created by the randomness, which was not intent to follow, that came last as the thought of what to do.

We are in total control of the outcome of what is random, when totally focused, on the task of writing, one are doing a much easy task.
As we drop our attention, giving way for the randomness to do the job. (Like your heart beating) We could easily forget who/what we are, we are random, creating our self, but when focused on still outcome, it will never end. For at the end it is, a eaten pig, can not be eaten..

We at the end, are unfocused, some forgot we are creating, we are not yet created, for we created, forever in change, we are not real here, any more than we are real there!

You as the one, and me as the other, an energy so utter power.
The force is driving, in a tool of as this, you in your body, you in your dreams, when you are together, this are to you, just what it seams, you wove it together, as in lucid dream?

The force is not a thing, it cannot created not create, and energy in motion, will not come at end, for it is you as your body, created in dreams, you could merge, be together, you as you, in this lucid dream..

Got a bit carried away there, but I got no point to get carried away from it seems, so happy happy to you all! :P


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Re: Energy [Re: Gomp]
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Gomp said:
You as the one, and me as the other, an energy so utter power.
The force is driving, in a tool of as this, you in your body, you in your dreams, when you are together, this are to you, just what it seams, you wove it together, as in lucid dream?

The force is not a thing, it cannot created not create, and energy in motion, will not come at end, for it is you as your body, created in dreams, you could merge, be together, you as you, in this lucid dream.


I have electrical goosebumps (I can feel them but not see them.)

I really, really enjoy the glimpses you give of the workings of your thought energy!  :heart:

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