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Offlinejsims88
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Question about . POtency
    #4097557 - 04/26/05 12:35 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

So I was wondering about the Ratio of Ps. In the mushroom at the different stages in its life.. Meaning whats the Percentage of Ps. in a Mushroom that the Veil is not broken completely and a mushroom that has grown and opened up and dropped spores.. And do the Spores actually contain Ps. Or is that a Myth ? Thanks


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Re: Question about . POtency [Re: jsims88]
    #4097576 - 04/26/05 12:41 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

no Ps. in spores that's why spores are legal, general consensus is there is no diff in in Ps. between size of mushie I have found this to be true.


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Re: Question about . POtency [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #4097582 - 04/26/05 12:44 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Well Im not refering to the size of the shroom ,,but the stage in it life .


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Re: Question about . POtency [Re: jsims88]
    #4097605 - 04/26/05 12:49 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

stages no difference or any noticable differences.


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Re: Question about . POtency [Re: jsims88]
    #4097624 - 04/26/05 12:55 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Well Im not refering to the size of the shroom ,,but the stage in it life .




so you're refering to mg of ps. per gram of shroom at a given stage in life?


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Re: Question about . POtency [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #4097630 - 04/26/05 12:57 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I definitely wouldnt say there is any noticable loss in potency by letting grow bigger. I really havent noticed any difference besides the fact if you pick earlier you end up with less.


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Re: Question about . POtency [Re: bixo]
    #4097681 - 04/26/05 01:20 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

if someone said there was ps in the spores then it would be a myth, this also means that the caps are weaker then the stems but not by much. Gills and spores contain no ps but also weigh next to nothing


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Re: Question about . POtency [Re: tahoe]
    #4097853 - 04/26/05 02:23 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

its general knowledge that psilocybin production stops after the stage in which the viel is broken, after that, the mushrooms are just excessivly absorbing nutrients from the cake. The stage at which they are sold in amsterdam for max potentcy is right before the viel breaks.


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Re: Question about . POtency [Re: Abermelin]
    #4097868 - 04/26/05 02:27 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It may be general knowledge but I have yet to see it proven to be a fact.


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Re: Question about . POtency [Re: bixo]
    #4097891 - 04/26/05 02:36 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

>its general knowledge that psilocybin production stops after the stage in which the viel is broken

Its also general knowledge that bluing indicates potency. You should rely more on facts, then "general knowledge".


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Re: Question about . POtency [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4097990 - 04/26/05 07:18 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

i remember seeing a post with the same question. i believe it was called MATURE VS. RIPE, i tried searching for it but i couldnt find it. but yea there might be a negligible difference but as scatmanrav once sed "Shroom weight is shroom weight to me."


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Re: Question about . POtency [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4098056 - 04/26/05 08:38 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with the above posters. the difference of shroom potency in different stages of development is negliable.

and even if there should be a variation in potency in various stages of development. the variation between indiviual carps is greater, not to mention the effects of different substrates.

so shroomweight is shroomweight.

personally I believe that its good to have enough patience to accumulate, dry, grind and mix the shrooms to even out any possible variations in potency and make dosing easier. but each to their own.


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Re: Question about . POtency [Re: Mindzpore]
    #4098080 - 04/26/05 09:04 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

noone has ever shown that a mushroom stops producing Ps after the veil breaks...ever.


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Re: Question about . POtency [Re: Abermelin]
    #4098099 - 04/26/05 09:27 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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its general knowledge that psilocybin production stops after the stage in which the viel is broken, after that, the mushrooms are just excessivly absorbing nutrients from the cake. The stage at which they are sold in amsterdam for max potentcy is right before the viel breaks.




Just show me an example where that's even considered general knowledge without being refuted by half the members of the site.


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Re: Question about . POtency [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4098127 - 04/26/05 09:55 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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>its general knowledge that psilocybin production stops after the stage in which the viel is broken

Its also general knowledge that bluing indicates potency. You should rely more on facts, then "general knowledge".




but if bluing is a product of psilocybin oxidizing, wouldn't more bluing indicate more psilocybin if two mushrooms were handled equally? or are we not ofthe consensus that psilocybin is spread equally amcross the mushrooms (gills excluded, perhaps)?


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Re: Question about . POtency [Re: Crasher]
    #4098353 - 04/26/05 11:51 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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its general knowledge that psilocybin production stops after the stage in which the viel is broken, after that, the mushrooms are just excessivly absorbing nutrients from the cake. The stage at which they are sold in amsterdam for max potentcy is right before the viel breaks.




Just show me an example where that's even considered general knowledge without being refuted by half the members of the site.




i already gave an example. If potentcy increased as the mushroom grew pass the viel breaking stage, then the *professional* growers in amsterdam would sell them past that stage in order to reap bigger profits with the increased weight, since you pay for the weight and not the number of mushrooms.

or are the arrogant assholes in this forum saying that the professional growers are wrong?


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Re: Question about . POtency [Re: Abermelin]
    #4098436 - 04/26/05 12:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

this is awesome.. I love the conversations we have in english... This I feel I have proven to myself .. I harvested some GTs.. that i let open completelty up .and noted the Bluing that took place at the Base where it was cut off.. Now i Just today harvested my B+ and didnt let them open open up and cut the base and its almost Black.. the Bluing tells me alot .. This is proven to me that max potency is before the viel breaks or the spores drop.. thanks guys/gals


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Re: Question about . POtency [Re: Abermelin]
    #4098438 - 04/26/05 12:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

"Professional" growers in A-Dam are NOT the gods of magical mushroom
technology. Beleive it or not, outside of universities, this forum and
ones like it are the closest.

Sides, it's kind of hard to objectively determine psilocybin content
without doing some kind of extraction, or using some kind of
expensive analytical machine.

Also, the "professional" growers are growing for their own profit. If
they wait for the mushrooms to fully mature, they'll be wasting time
that could be used for another flush. They harvest when the
weight/time curve starts to level off.


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Re: Question about . POtency [Re: BloodNOil]
    #4098442 - 04/26/05 12:35 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

all in all shroom weight is shroom weight


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Re: Question about . POtency [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4098455 - 04/26/05 12:40 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

We are not talking about the Shroom Weight .. Thats the thing.. you can let a shroom grow untill it cant grow anymore .. but this is not going to be more effective at fucking you up.. the Ps. is slowly depelted as time gos on .. the point to witch the viel breaks .. the shroom is building enegry to produce spores so all the Ps. is greater before the thing opens up.. I would take a smaller more potent shroom before i took a monster... Who cares about weight when Potency is what your going for unless you are making prints....


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