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One Glaring Problem With The Bible
    #4086371 - 04/22/05 10:27 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The author of Genesis makes it clear that God c-r-e-a-t-e-d rainbows to mark the occasion of his grand covenant with Noah in which he promises to never again unleash a flood of such magnitude on the Earth. If Noah's rainbow hadn't been the very first, then it's not likely that Noah would have been impressed with this special token of God's contract.

Nevertheless, rainbows appear throughout all recorded human history, much of it predating all the books of the Bible by an enormous margin. Rainbows were documented by the ancient Chinese 11,000 years ago and far earlier than that by primitive cavemen in cave paintings.

The oldest book in the Bible is Job around 1500 B.C.

And if God changed the rules of refraction, a requirement to create the very first rainbow if none had ever existed beforehand, then nobody before rainbows existed would have been able to see because human eyes, specifically lenses, rely on the same principles of refraction to form an image on the retina that water droplets use to form a rainbow in the sky. :syringe:


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Re: One Glaring Problem With The Bible [Re: Diploid]
    #4086391 - 04/22/05 10:32 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

cant argue with fiction


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Re: One Glaring Problem With The Bible [Re: Diploid]
    #4086419 - 04/22/05 10:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Nice catch!


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Re: One Glaring Problem With The Bible [Re: Diploid]
    #4086454 - 04/22/05 10:53 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

As an atheist, I cannot see a rainbow.


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Re: One Glaring Problem With The Bible [Re: fresh313]
    #4086459 - 04/22/05 10:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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fresh313 said:
cant argue with fiction




Haha!  :grin:


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Re: One Glaring Problem With The Bible [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #4086467 - 04/22/05 10:56 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I argue with fiction every day here.  :crazy:


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Re: One Glaring Problem With The Bible [Re: trendal]
    #4086471 - 04/22/05 10:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Wake up, Trendal... The matrix has you...

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.. :smile:


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Re: One Glaring Problem With The Bible [Re: Diploid]
    #4086516 - 04/22/05 11:11 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I would have titled this thread, "One [of the] Glaring Problem[s] With The Bible"... :wink:


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Re: One Glaring Problem With The Bible [Re: Diploid]
    #4086574 - 04/22/05 11:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The whole Bible is a glaring problem. You can find nonsensical shit like that on every page of it.

It really doesn't stand up to even simple science and history of the modern days, as you demonstrate in one example of many. Another reason why Creationism seems like a belief for unquestioning idiots, but if you don't believe in science I guess it's a lot easier to say the human race was created by incest from two people a few thousand years ago.


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Re: One Glaring Problem With The Bible [Re: Ravus]
    #4086684 - 04/23/05 12:04 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup: Yet another good point.

Although the Bible speaks that incest is wrong, it openly advocates in way of propogating the "original humans"... and then again when Noah comes....

I guess incest is only ok when god forces it... :shrug: anyone else have any ideas?


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Re: One Glaring Problem With The Bible [Re: Diploid]
    #4086972 - 04/23/05 01:15 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Diploid said:
Nevertheless, rainbows appear throughout all recorded human history, much of it predating all the books of the Bible by an enormous margin. Rainbows were documented by the ancient Chinese 11,000 years ago and far earlier than that by primitive cavemen in cave paintings.





As I have said before.

The bible is nothing more, than old stories of how these primitave people saw their world.


They were stories told to explain their environment/world.


They tried to define their world, by inventing a "god" that made everything....they had no other explanation for what they saw.


The "Church" twisted these "folk tales" into the LITERAL WORD OF GOD


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The whole Bible is a glaring problem. You can find nonsensical shit like that on every page of it.





Only if you try to use the "churches" view.


If you take the bible as a series of fiction.

Stories by a primitave society, trying to explain their world. The core teachings of the Christian Bible are good. As long as you stay away from the "churches" twisted pov.

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It really doesn't stand up to even simple science and history of the modern days, as you demonstrate in one example of many.






They didnt have modern science



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Another reason why Creationism seems like a belief for unquestioning idiots, but if you don't believe in science I guess it's a lot easier......





I believe it is possible to use the bible as a good example of how to leade a peaceful life.......as long as you take the "christian spin out of it.


I also believe that the current scientific view can go hand in hand with the "Creation" theory.


If you read thru the right glasses.


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Re: One Glaring Problem With The Bible [Re: niteowl]
    #4087010 - 04/23/05 01:25 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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I also believe that the current scientific view can go hand in hand with the "Creation" theory.





How? Evolution by natural selection and creationism are complete contradictions in many aspects, and from reading the Bible I don't see how compatibility is possible between the two. You could argue creationism is in its very loosest form and take away the Bible's teachings, saying that God created the universe and its laws which then followed cosmology and evolution, but the Bible's form of creationism means much more than this.


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Re: One Glaring Problem With The Bible [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4087042 - 04/23/05 01:36 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Although the Bible speaks that incest is wrong, it openly advocates in way of propogating the "original humans"...





More evidence that Adam and Eve were not singular people.....but represent the whole human race (Adam=males/Eve=females)

:strokebeard:


And the "original sin" was not sex.

It was disobedience.

They were told not do eat from a certain plant...but they did.......

disobedience (to dis-obey....do what you fugin want) Its rampant in our society these days.

Doing the thing we arent supposed to do is the most temptiong thing in the whole fukin world.....look at the drug laws. :rolleyes:


The "church" spun the original sin into sex

There is  a lot of spin in the "christian church"


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.....and then again when Noah comes....






Obviously the whole world wasn't destroyed. (more spin  :wink: )

Just a very large area.

Every society has stories of "great floods".

This is just another "folk tale" twisted into the "literal word of God" by the "Christian Church"


Its all about control.


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Re: One Glaring Problem With The Bible [Re: Ravus]
    #4087078 - 04/23/05 01:49 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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How? Evolution by natural selection and creationism are complete contradictions in many aspects, and from reading the Bible I don't see how compatibility is possible between the two.




Dont read too much into the bible. It was written by stone age people



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You could argue creationism is in its very loosest form and take away the Bible's teachings, saying that God created the universe and its laws which then followed cosmology and evolution, but the Bible's form of creationism means much more than this.





More spin on the "churches" part than the actual moral teachings of the bible.


The universe was set in motion by "something"

They saw this something as "god"

We can see more into the fine details of how the universe was created. Because of science.

Science cant tell us how or why the "big bang" happened.

The bible tries to teach us "how" to live our life while we are here.


"The bible doesn't tell us how the heavens go..just how to go to heaven"


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Re: One Glaring Problem With The Bible [Re: niteowl]
    #4087092 - 04/23/05 01:54 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The universe was set in motion by "something"
Science cant tell us how or why the "big bang" happened.

You say these things as if they were fact... they're not. :rolleyes:


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Re: One Glaring Problem With The Bible [Re: niteowl]
    #4087159 - 04/23/05 02:16 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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niteowl said:
Quote:

Psychoactive1984 said:
Although the Bible speaks that incest is wrong, it openly advocates in way of propogating the "original humans"...





1) More evidence that Adam and Eve were not singular people.....but represent the whole human race (Adam=males/Eve=females)

:strokebeard:


2) And the "original sin" was not sex.

It was disobedience.

They were told not do eat from a certain plant...but they did.......

disobedience (to dis-obey....do what you fugin want) Its rampant in our society these days.

Doing the thing we arent supposed to do is the most temptiong thing in the whole fukin world.....look at the drug laws. :rolleyes:


The "church" spun the original sin into sex

There is  a lot of spin in the "christian church"


Quote:

.....and then again when Noah comes....






Obviously the whole world wasn't destroyed. (more spin  :wink: )

Just a very large area.

Every society has stories of "great floods".

This is just another "folk tale" twisted into the "literal word of God" by the "Christian Church"


Its all about control.




1) It's taught as if they are individuals through the story, it's your interpretation that it is representative of humanity as a whole.... the whole bit on Eve being created through man, and therefore is lesser further promotes patriarchy, and I see no reason, nor how that is applicable to a whole....

Their is no reason to suggest the propogation of the human race through their actions, nor to suggest and place so much emphasis on the "first human beings" as the bible does... which leads me to the conclusion that it is indeed to be taken literally.

To suggest that the bible is metaphorical in certain representations, yet to take it literally in others is... stupid.

2) I try so hard not to go against the "original sin", but I don't see the purpose in being obediant to a god that allows so much shit to happen just to prove a point to a flawed creation that he knew was going to do all of this; even knows the end result, yet allows it anyway. It's like reading a book you wrote, and expecting a surprise... pretty pointless.

Nice take on the rest, especially the "great flood".


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Re: One Glaring Problem With The Bible [Re: Diploid]
    #4087168 - 04/23/05 02:19 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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The universe was set in motion by "something"
Science cant tell us how or why the "big bang" happened.

You say these things as if they were fact... they're not. :rolleyes:





:wtf:


How is our being here not a fact?


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Re: One Glaring Problem With The Bible [Re: niteowl]
    #4087198 - 04/23/05 02:28 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Perhaps we just need to correct the message a bit;

The universe was set in motion by "something" (certainly wasn't a result of nothing)
Science has yet to tell us how or why the "big bang" happened.


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Re: One Glaring Problem With The Bible [Re: niteowl]
    #4087207 - 04/23/05 02:30 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The universe was set in motion by "something"

How do you know this? It's just as likely that the universe has always been here and was never created or 'set in motion'.

Science cant tell us how or why the "big bang" happened.

Where do you get this?

Science is and has been making steady progress and the new particle accelerators nearing completion promise to take us even farther.


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Re: One Glaring Problem With The Bible [Re: Diploid]
    #4087221 - 04/23/05 02:36 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Diploid.

Do a simple extraction on a common item you make in the Kitchen. I've been browsing the OTD, so I'll use Ramen? as an example. Ramen has never always existed.... even before it was cooked, it's ingredients needed to be manufactured through some process, and another process begat that and so on.... ultimately the source materials of everything involved in the creation of Ramen? including the pots, the energy needed to create it, the machines used to create it, the trucks to drive it to your store, etc... needed to be created from something. Take the universe as the Ramen, and it follows that something indeed was necessary to put it all together...

Ramen hasn't always existed, it was formulated on the basis of it's ingredients, and it's a cheap staple carbohydrate (has nothing to do with philosophy)... Some form of a predecessor of the machinations at work that are utilized in the manufacture, cooking, and distrubition of Ramen? had to exist even before the Advent of Ramen as we know it (proto Ramen?).

And nothing can ever create something, so perhaps in an odd sense something always had to exist to perpetuate the something... but, it's nearly impossible to fathom the concept in it's entirity, why some look to god as a source of explanation. The paradox of the situation presents the limitations on human comprehension.

Anyhow, lost the point I was making, so long story short; Yes.


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Edited by Psychoactive1984 (04/23/05 02:41 AM)


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