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Re: The "New Age" mentality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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HueHue,  Honestly, I am starting to wonder why it is actually called "New Age" Spirituality....  For me it is all new, but it seems that it has been there the whole time....  Kinda~ making it "Old Age" Spirituality if ya~ think about it....  :shrug:  :heart:


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Re: The "New Age" mentality [Re: MAIA]
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You failed to answer the question.  :eek: 

Making your answer APPEAR logical by substituting dissimilar terms either shows a lack of understanding or dishonesty.


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Re: The "New Age" mentality [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
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The same old new... everything is it.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
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-Substance over Style.
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Re: The "New Age" mentality [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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1984,Yes yes, I am starting to realize a lot of stuff that "is"....!
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Swami,  I think what MAIA *may* be trying to say is, if you limit yourself to a particular structured belief system, you will only limit yourself to that paticular structure of beliefs....  Then you will have boxed yourself in to not believing in anything that is not part of that structure....  That is my take anyways....  :shrug:  :heart:


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Re: The "New Age" mentality [Re: Swami]
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How does the process of asking questions and testing hypotheses equate to a belief system? What is there to solidify?


When you are bent on proving things wrong you accumilate beliefs that they are wrong. They are beliefs because for the most part it is of a metaphysical nature making it difficult if not impossible to prove or disprove, resulting in a belief instead of a fact. It is a system of belief pointing out what is wrong. What I said, is that this limits you, it closes your mind. Instead of looking into it's essence for truth you simply reveal the untruth. There is nothing wrong with this, but as I said when you swear by it, meaning when it is all you focus on, I do not see it as productive as pointing out it's truths. In the end due to this I see it capable of producing just as much ignorance in it's strict followers as any strict religous follower.

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How does accepting an unsubstantiated story lead to knowledge and wisdom?


Please show me where I made this claim. In fact I even started the line which you are responding to with the words, 'Skepticism is essential'.

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Re: The "New Age" mentality [Re: MAIA]
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Perhaps you do not understand what I mean saying to police one's self (or the community to police itself). It means to watch one's behavior. We should all police our own behavior as well as our physical surroundings (pick up our trash). When I was in the service this was a common term to use in this way. It does NOT mean to ignore or abdicate the need for authority. It is mereley taking personal responsibility for our actions.This was meant in addition to, not in place of moderation. Moderation is for those who cannot police themselves.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: The "New Age" mentality [Re: MAIA]
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So, promoting violence against ethnic groups is within the rules? I have seen this in reference to Jews many times.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: The "New Age" mentality [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
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I was being sarcastic.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: The "New Age" mentality [Re: Lux]
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How does the process of asking questions and testing hypotheses equate to a belief system? What is there to solidify?

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When you are bent on proving things wrong you accumilate beliefs that they are wrong.


It is amazing how so many people are totally unable to answer a simple, direct question without dragging in thoughts they have about the poster and lathering on other preconceptions. Notice how Lux merely displayed his own bias without any attempt to answer the question ACTUALLY asked. He answered an imaginary question that was nowhere in print. This makes real debate nigh impossible.

Asking questions is for data gathering and clarification. If I ask you what type of music you prefer, what system of beliefs am I trying to establish?


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Re: The "New Age" mentality [Re: Swami]
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It was a general you, not specifically you. What I wrote was in conjuction with my original post which you were replying to in hopes of clarifying what I meant. You may disagree with what I said and that is fine, but I am not making any attacks on you at all. You asked me to explain how it is that I see skepticism as a possible belief system and I gave you my opinion.

Please respond to my post's content or lack of as opposed to what you believe the intent was so I can clarify better.

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Re: The "New Age" mentality [Re: Swami]
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I like heavy music, and soft music, depends on the mood....  :grin:  :heart:
I don't care too much for country music, but still appreciate their musicianship.....   

What kind do you like....?


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Re: The "New Age" mentality [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
You failed to answer the question.  :eek: 

Making your answer APPEAR logical by substituting dissimilar terms


Appear ? Either it is or it isn't.

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either shows a lack of understanding or dishonesty.


Pick one then :smirk:

Do yourself a favor and read about assimilation in the knowledge process.  Understanding or reality comes with phenomenal action through knowledge, a belief system is one of the results of that action.

MAIA


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Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
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Re: The "New Age" mentality [Re: MAIA]
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Do yourself a favor and read about assimilation in the knowledge process. Understanding or reality comes with phenomenal action through knowledge, a belief system is one of the results of that action.

Another nice, albeit, weak try. A process of asking questions may or may not result in a belief system, but in and of itself is merely an action and NOT a view of reality. A question represents nothing dogmatic at all.

"How far away was the glowing object that you saw?"

What does that question tell us of the mindset of the questioner? Is he a believer or a skeptic? One cannot tell.


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Re: The "New Age" mentality [Re: Swami]
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One cannot tell.
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Actually, only one can  tell....  :wink:


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Re: The "New Age" mentality [Re: egghead1]
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egghead1 said:
Is this in response to the B.S post about Swami? Because i never thought this place was like that until i saw that post. Respect definitely went out the window with that one.


Ho-lee shit, is that Swami person still around?! That's amazing... I've been away for so long, it's just surprising as hell to me that he's still here! hahaha


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Re: The "New Age" mentality [Re: Swami]
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A process of asking questions may or may not result in a belief system


You did get my point after all.

MAIA


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Re: The "New Age" mentality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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You put my opinion on new age bullshit into words better than I could. I absolutely agree that those who extol their lack of ego are in fact those with the biggest ego. Beliefs should be treated like beliefs if there is no rationality to back them up, if there is rationality to back them up only then you can claim to have some kind of true knowledge, and even then it has to withstand constant intellectual scrutiny. The people who sell 'energy crystals' and 'Karma bracelets' are simply ripping off true spirituality, because at its heart 'new ageism' is as empty as the materialism they claim to be rallying against (again, hypocritical bullshit, the same people happily charge extortionate prices for 'alternative' remedies and nik-naks).


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Re: The "New Age" mentality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
I have discovered a trend in new age thought. First of all mutual affirmation is popular with many of the way out new age folk. The good old boy system lives strong. I believe all of your lies and bullshit, and you agree to believe all of mine. That way we all seem cool, and we can make any outrageous, pointless claim we feel like and not worry about our self importance being threatened.. Big egos rule here, but you wouldn't know it...everyone claims they ain't got an ego. So, if you say it it must be true. Second, if anyone makes a logical argument to dispute some of the more far out concepts posed, well, we don't make a rational argument....because we really can't. At that point all of our peace, love, and togetherness is ditched and we get plain nasty with the personal insults and posturing. I ain't addressing everyone here, but if this bugged you then you are one of those to whom I addressed this thought.


do you think that this trend has been going on for quite some time? is it just the new age philosophy or is it many different shades of people?


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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