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Respecting Elders
    #4729199 - 09/29/05 02:45 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

i here it so much at work "respect your elders and listen to them cus they have more wisdom" so on and on.

so what is wisdom?

why don't the elderly have to listen to younger generation?

all the older people at my work are still stuck in the ideals and knowledge back from decades ago. i try to tell them about new ideas or newer knowledge that they don't know or no little of and they blow it off and say that can't be right or thats not right.

my idea of wisdom is a great deal of knowledge applied to life and gain many insight, and that one can live there own insight that they have gained.

why couldn't it be respect those with great wisdom?


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Re: Respecting Elders [Re: spudamore]
    #4729211 - 09/29/05 02:47 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

dont worry they will be dead soon


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Re: Respecting Elders [Re: DeathCompany]
    #4729221 - 09/29/05 02:48 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

LOL yeah will most likely outlast 90% of them.


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Re: Respecting Elders [Re: spudamore]
    #4729243 - 09/29/05 02:53 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL, those with the greater life experience will have more wisdom.

Do you now know more than when you were 4 or 12 or 16?

Do you likely know more if you have never left your home town than a world traveller?

At what point do you think people start going backwards and losing wisdom?


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Re: Respecting Elders [Re: spudamore]
    #4729265 - 09/29/05 02:57 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I think the ethic of respecting and revering one's elders is a relic from a time when people's way of life remained fairly constant, and things didn't change so rapidly. Back then, the wisdom one gained in their lifetime could readily be passed on and put to use by the next generation. In our complex, rapidly changing modern society, it seems that the elderly have more trouble keeping up, and the things they learn in their lifetime are often obsolete and out of step with the changing times. So rather than wise, they just seem rigid. That said, my grandfather is probably the smartest, wisest man I've ever met.


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Re: Respecting Elders [Re: Silversoul]
    #4729285 - 09/29/05 03:01 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

That said, my grandfather is probably the smartest, wisest man I've ever met.

Thank you. :bow: Thought you didn't want anyone to know we were related.  :eek:


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Re: Respecting Elders [Re: Swami]
    #4729293 - 09/29/05 03:03 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

dead people make me laugh


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Re: Respecting Elders [Re: Swami]
    #4729365 - 09/29/05 03:18 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Swami said:
At what point do you think people start going backwards and losing wisdom?




when they start to live in the past instead of upgrading there life experience, beleifs and knowledge.


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Re: Respecting Elders [Re: spudamore]
    #4729986 - 09/29/05 06:45 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I've grown in a tradition that respects elders. I can't be impolite to an elder, it's part of my nature.

when my grandparents could no longer live on their own, they came to live with me and my mother. one of the most profound experiences I had in my life happened when my grandfather fell on the street and stayed on bed for a month. he convinced himself he wouldn't walk again, but I helped him, I put all my strength to bring him up. the first few times he had to crawl out of bed. it was a long journey but together we made it, he walked again and that meant a lot for both of us.

my grandmother is a well of wisdom. when my grandfather died my mother thought her mother was going crazy, not really realizing what had happened. because here everyone is expected to cry for days on end when someone dies. but my grandmother has an almost perfect knowledge of death. she understood the perfection and beauty of that moment. she understood my grandfather had the perfect passage he so much deserved. he was sitting alone with her in their room, and unlike the usual he asked her to turn off the lights. with not so much as a silent whisper we went away, for when the lights were turned on again, he was no longer there, only his body remained.
my grandmother was very happy for him, her tears expressed the emotion she felt for what she called a 'holy' death.

I love talking with my grandmother. does she live in the past? for sure she does. and in the future as well. maybe not so much in the present but there's nothing necessarily wrong about it. talking with her I can go back almost one century. and how different this country was one century ago! I can trace back key events in my family past that still echo in our attitudes today. I see my grandmother looking at my two year old and in her eyes I perceive the unlimited happiness she feels for that blossoming future, so full of hope and joy!

there is wisdom in elders. even if the elders themselves don't realize it.


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Re: Respecting Elders [Re: spudamore]
    #4730042 - 09/29/05 07:48 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

You've got it quite backwards son. Wisdom is 'a great deal of Life applied to knowledge (and understanding).' Nothing beats Life experience and that comes in time (especially if the most important experiences in time have been the experiences of timelessness).


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Re: Respecting Elders [Re: spudamore]
    #4730378 - 09/29/05 10:35 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Well I used to think it was a lot of hogwash.

But now that I am an elder.

I WANT RESPECT DAMNIT. :monopoly:


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Re: Respecting Elders [Re: spudamore]
    #4730406 - 09/29/05 10:40 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

my idea of wisdom is a great deal of knowledge applied to life and gain many insight, and that one can live there own insight that they have gained.


As we get older, perhaps we start to appreciate the fact that our parents and other "old" folks really did know what they were talking about and it would be a good idea to listen.  :smirk:

When I was 20, my parents didn't know nearly as much as they did when I was 40, for example.

The elderly in this country are for the most part ignored by the youth (and often vice versa).  This isn't a new situation, but the problem seems to be getting larger.

It's a social problem and a sign of the times as depression era thinking isn't compatible with today's "new world" thinking.  (Well, perhaps it should be, but we spend and consume with typical reckless abandon anyway.  And to think fiscal conservatism used to mean something...)

The other reality is that in the past (and present in China etc.) the elders were the most respected and loved members of the family.  Generations lived together in one house.  Contrast that with today's geographically mobile career/soccer oriented nuclear families.

Maybe if you did listen to and show more respect to your elders, they wouldn't reject your ideas and thoughts as much.  It's a two way street.  Still, at ages 70+ computers and modern technology will be daunting to many.  When programming the VCR is a task, you know the PC will be a real job.


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Re: Respecting Elders [Re: spudamore]
    #4730981 - 09/29/05 12:31 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I think the problem is that experience does not necessarily equal wisdom, but elders want to be treated as though it does.

If we learn from our experiences in life, we grow wiser with age. If not, we just grow older. Getting old just means you have not died: not really a big accomplishment.

Anyone who wants my respect for their wisdom needs to earn it, not demand it.


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Re: Respecting Elders [Re: spudamore]
    #4730989 - 09/29/05 12:34 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I respect those who respect me, so as long as an older adult treats me well, I will treat them with respect.


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Re: Respecting Elders [Re: Veritas]
    #4731059 - 09/29/05 12:51 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Getting old just means you have not died: not really a big accomplishment.

Oh yeah? Hey, I made it through Viet Nam, the Big Quake, drug overdoses, car crashes, gangs, heart attacks, cancer, and getting hit by a racquetball in the ***** and that is no big thing?

Survival is a big thing, because without first accomplishing that, you cannot do anything else.


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Re: Respecting Elders [Re: Swami]
    #4731069 - 09/29/05 12:53 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Survival is overrated. I agree with Veritas. As usual, you missed the point.


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Re: Respecting Elders [Re: Swami]
    #4731080 - 09/29/05 12:55 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Survival does not make you special, as it is something that everyone now alive has done.

If you learn from the experiences you have lived through, then you stand out from the crowd of teeming humanity.


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Re: Respecting Elders [Re: Veritas]
    #4731093 - 09/29/05 12:58 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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If you learn from the experiences you have lived through, then you stand out from the crowd of teeming humanity.




Thus further ensuring your own survival. :smirk:

Standing out of the crowd of teeming humanity and being unique is not of any real meaning. The nature of one's experience itself is the point and where the true meaning lies, I think.

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Re: Respecting Elders [Re: Veritas]
    #4731099 - 09/29/05 12:59 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Veritas said:
I think the problem is that experience does not necessarily equal wisdom, but elders want to be treated as though it does.




this one's right on the money. age brings experience, but experience isn't guaranteed to bring wisdom at all.

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Veritas said:
Anyone who wants my respect for their wisdom needs to earn it, not demand it.




i agree here too, but i'll add this: unless you have wisdom, you only delude yourself that you can recognize it in others and if you think you're wise, you are deluded already. so's more practical to respect experience, just coz it's so much easier to recognize.


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Re: Respecting Elders [Re: Icelander]
    #4731105 - 09/29/05 01:00 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I did?

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