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InvisibleSwami
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Cartoon/Human Relations
    #403429 - 09/25/01 11:06 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Do any others believe that when they're tripping and see the walls melting, that they must really must have melted? Or if you see cartoon figures that they are two-dimensional entities trying to contact you?

Or do you understand that your imagination was excited by non-endogenous chemicals?

Whats does this delusion have to do with Spirituality / Philoophy?

Nada, nichts, zip, nothing, but is in line with other frivolous posts...



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Re: Cartoon/Human Relations [Re: Swami]
    #403454 - 09/25/01 11:38 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Anti logic rule #6,972 - Get frustrated that your attempts at debunking another member's informational posts aren't working, and resort to making fun of their posts and/or mocking the general style in a childish attempt to make the original poster seem ignorant...back this up with very little knowledge of the nature of the subject and attempt to strike blows at the (nonexistant) ego of the other user.



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Re: Cartoon/Human Relations [Re: Swami]
    #403688 - 09/25/01 04:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hi its me Shane again,
Yeah lay the smack down shoroomism.

If you are starving you can eat your shoes or your poo.


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Re: Cartoon/Human Relations [Re: pornisfun]
    #403847 - 09/25/01 07:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

A teacher once told me that when kids are playing with imaginary friends, and they really beleive that they are real...they are. When a little boy wakes up in the middle of the night crying because he thinks there's a dinosaur under his bed, he really honestly truly beleives that there is a dinosaur under his bed, otherwise, he wouldn't be crying, would he?

If the imagination of a child can be so real, why can't ours? Well, maybe it is. Maybe those pretty little fireflies that dance around the stars when you're trippin really are there. If you can see them, what other conclusion is there?

Anyways...the point of this post is just to say that you can't tell anyone what to beleive in. I think it's ok to beleive in starbugs and faeries. I've seen 'em. If anyone tells me any different, that's fine. My reality will never equal yours.

Is it really so wrong to beleive in something? Beleive in it so much that it's real? Naaa, I don't think so.

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Re: Cartoon/Human Relations [Re: Swami]
    #404010 - 09/25/01 09:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

very well.. we all understand you don't believe a word of what shroomism is saying. So what? Is that a justification to make insults and personal attacks? Shroomism isn't trying to "recruit cultists" or anything like that, he's just trying to have people see what he believes. You don't have to believe it, but is it really that hard to respect it?



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Re: Cartoon/Human Relations [Re: CherryBom]
    #404073 - 09/25/01 10:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Unfortunately, there is more to this, Cherry. One of my favorite quotes goes something like this: "A paranoid dude believes that the world is conspiring to harm him, an acidhead believes that the world is conspiring to help him." To this end I say: if you believe there is a monster under your bed and you are happy, I am happy for you. If you believe there is a monster under your bed and you are afraid, then I am afraid for you.

If shroomism is hallucinating happy hallucinations it is one thing, if he is hallucinating hell it is quite another. Am I going to intrude upon his privately owned hell? Probably not. But, myself, I'll try to stay away from it.

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Re: Cartoon/Human Relations [Re: ]
    #404183 - 09/25/01 11:35 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Knowledge? What knowledge? A story does not qualify by any definition to be knowledge. There is no way to research or verify any of your claims.

For a change, why not actually respond to the question. How do you discern when a vision or hallucination has validity in consensus reality?

How does one determine when a voice in the head is coming from outside oneself?




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Re: Cartoon/Human Relations [Re: pornisfun]
    #404193 - 09/25/01 11:38 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Why not offer an opinion instead of cheer-leading?

All great men and women of history were independent thinkers who questioned the world around them. There has never been any great "sheep".





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Re: Cartoon/Human Relations [Re: CherryBom]
    #404214 - 09/25/01 11:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Is it really so wrong to beleive in something? Beleive in it so much that it's real? Naaa, I don't think so.

The US just lost some 5,500 lives and perhaps $100,000,000,000 because some follower believed that another man had a direct line to Allah and spoke only truth.

Other Belief tragedies:

Rancho San Marguerita
OKlahoma City bombing
Koresh
Jonestown
Rajneeshpuram

All wars
The Crusades
The Inquisition
etc.

I do not think that shroomism means anyone harm, so do NOT misread this post.

My point is: blind acceptance of another's "reality" can lead to dangerous consequences.

Hell, our own media (USA) has been really loathe to present any other view than the" Rah Rah - let's go kick some third-world ass" propaganda. Question that view and you are no longer a "patriot".

Amy belief system that has validity should be able to stand up under scrutiny.



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Re: Cartoon/Human Relations [Re: Swami]
    #404223 - 09/25/01 11:53 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

>>Knowledge? What knowledge? A story does not qualify by any definition to be knowledge. There is no way to research or verify any of your claims.

Stories are one of the best ways to pass knowledge. By what means did you reach such a conclusion?
Spirituality cannot be researched, it must be learned through experience.

>>For a change, why not actually respond to the question. How do you discern when a vision or hallucination has validity in consensus reality?

And how do you determine that my perspective is a hallucination or vision?

>>How does one determine when a voice in the head is coming from outside oneself?

Many times one cannot tell the difference.
For those adept in spirituality, it is as clear as day.



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Re: Cartoon/Human Relations [Re: ]
    #404510 - 09/26/01 05:04 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

>>Knowledge? What knowledge? A story does not qualify by any definition to be knowledge. There is no way to research or verify any of your claims.

Stories are one of the best ways to pass knowledge. By what means did you reach such a conclusion?

Agreed. Stories can be a good medium, but are not in and of themselves knowledge. This is not a matter of semantics. Stories may be fiction and contain no knowledge.

And how do you determine that my perspective is a hallucination or vision?

Many people experience bizarre phenomena under the influence of psilocybin. These experiences can be so powerful as to leave an indelible imprint on the voyager. However, just because they may cause a paradigm shift does not mean that something happened outside of your own mind.

Basically I believe it to be internal to you, because there is nothing external to support your story. Any student of the scientific method will tell you that it is impossible to prove a negative; therefore I cannot disprove your theories about some 4 dimensional shift until after the date predicted has passed. By then, everyone will have either forgotten your theory or you will likely come up with another story about how the shift has been postponed because "We were not ready as a race."

I will gladly put $10,000 in a bet that nothing happens. Please do not respond with how that would not be spiritual as you could donate the money to your favorite charity. Nor try the infamous "money will have no meaning at that time".

>>How does one determine when a voice in the head is coming from outside oneself?

Many times one cannot tell the difference.

Exactly. Perhaps all voices are internal.

For those adept in spirituality, it is as clear as day.

And what criterion do you use for that? People can easily delude themselves into thinking that they have superior wisdom and knowledge. Self-evaluation is highly unreliable. In psychological testing the average person believes that he/she is more intelligent and more attractive that average.

Did you not seek psychological help because of your own self-doubt?











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Re: Cartoon/Human Relations [Re: CherryBom]
    #404745 - 09/26/01 01:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think! Therefore I am!



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It isn't more complicated than that.
It is opening to or recieving the present moment, pleasant or unpleasant, just as it is,
without either clinging to it or rejecting it.


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Re: Cartoon/Human Relations [Re: Swami]
    #405274 - 09/26/01 08:56 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

For those adept in spirituality, it is as clear as day.

And what criterion do you use for that? People can easily delude themselves into thinking that they have superior wisdom and knowledge. Self-evaluation is highly unreliable. In psychological testing the average person believes that he/she is more intelligent and more attractive that average. <<

Spirituality has varying levels of wisdom. If you would like a thorough explanation of each step I would be glad to provide one. It is not a matter of more wisdom and knowledge, nor is it a matter of pride or envy. It is based solely on the experience and evolution of the indivual's soul. Wisdom and knowledge are merely by-products.

>>And what criterion do you use for that?

I base it on the 168 I scored on the intelligence test provided by a licensed psychologist.

>>People can easily delude themselves into thinking that they have superior wisdom and knowledge. Self-evaluation is highly unreliable.

I agree.. the fact is that I do not judge myself by what I think. I judge myself based on how I react with other people, how they react towards me, and how other people evaluate me as a person.

>>Did you not seek psychological help because of your own self-doubt?

I have never sought psychological help under my own free will.


>>I will gladly put $10,000 in a bet that nothing happens. Please do not respond with how that would not be spiritual as you could donate the money to your favorite charity. Nor try the infamous "money will have no meaning at that time".

Heh...I can't pass up this offer. Even though money will in fact have no value after society crashes, I will still take you on your bet.
In fact...let's make it $20,000. I'm good for it.
How about this as the bet... If by January 1st, 2004...no travelling body 2 times the mass of Earth or more has passed by the Earth within 60,000 miles, and no pole shift has taken place...then I will owe you $20,000...how does that sound?
But if in spring-summer 2003, when the 12th planet passes by Earth, resulting in a polar shift of 90 degrees, physical and magnetic poles, you will owe me $20,000...and I'll burn it.
Is it a deal? Private message me and I will give you my information.



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Re: Cartoon/Human Relations [Re: ]
    #406091 - 09/27/01 01:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You sound pretty conviced this pole shift is going to happen, shroomism.. Just a few questions though. How is this going to affect us directly? I have no idea what would happen if the poles were to shift... flooding, apocalypse, etc? Also how does this relate to passing into the 4th dimension? If flooding and what not did occur as the result, would the only survivors be the ones that really truly deserved to survive(open minded people that don't fuck people over or judge people becuase of things that are none of their business). Which would effectively end all negative energy coming from earth... or maybe I have it all wrong....

There's shopping malls coming out of the walls as we walk out among the manure


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Re: Cartoon/Human Relations [Re: DankVudu]
    #406714 - 09/27/01 09:35 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Check the 2003 cataclysm thread...I'll bump it for you.



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Re: Cartoon/Human Relations [Re: ]
    #410473 - 10/01/01 10:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Shroomism, do you believe in the validity of dreaming? Swami?

Well I do. I think dreams are very valid things that exist for specific purposes; broadly speaking they exist to help us, to serve us, and to "tell us" or "remind us of" things that we need to know or may have forgotten.

This whole pole shift thing and everything is something that, quite apart from believing or disbelieving it, I would not personally place stock in unless the community of active dreamers picked it up on their radar. I believe some kind of transcendental event like this that is headed our way would be preceded by waves of dream precognition, and at the very least there would be a stir among the denizens of The Dreaming that "something was coming".

There is no such stir right now, that I can detect. I would be interested in your thoughts concerning this. I will read now of this 2003 cataclysm post and may reply there. But, I would be interested in your reactions to my post.



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Re: Cartoon/Human Relations [Re: cantara]
    #410523 - 10/01/01 10:41 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I like what you're saying here man!

I can't enter Dreaming states at will (YET), but the few times i have really shook me, excited me beyond anything i could have imagined....I agree that this pole shift multi dimensional 12th planet cataclysm business should not be believed or disbelieved, but that we should work on learning for ourselves what is going on, through dreaming, meditation, conservation and developement of energy....

whether there is a cataclysm on the way or not (I live in tokyo at the moment, where the next devastating earthquake is already overdue) makes no difference, already we have so little time before we die, what else is there to do but learn to relax and open up our bodies and minds...learn to use what we have been given to perceive and marvel at the infinite mystery and beauty of the natural world? while we still can!



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Re: Cartoon/Human Relations [Re: ]
    #411193 - 10/02/01 01:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

So we have a pissing contest between two obviously intelligent individuals who all together think far to highly of themselves. Here is my suggestion, and feel free to flat out reject it as stupid, urbane or just plainly below your level of intellectual mastery. You two claim to be 'good' for at least ten thousand US dollars apiece (Shroomism much more), and that money means so little to you both that you're willing to /bet/ it on who's divinatory abilities are best. Well, let me lay another situation down for you, you can both test your skills of future-sight with it and whichever one of you comes up with the correct answer to the situation is officially High Diviner and can claim temporary Godhood.

Here's the situation. There is a theoretical Internet Bulletin Board that offers itself free of charge to all people equally for dicussions of all varied sorts...this theoretical place will be called, for the sake of this highly theoretical situation...The Shroomery. The Shroomery needs something like $2000 dollars to keep running, to keep itself afloat so that the generous administrator here doesn't go bankrupt and end up hunting track rabbits near the L-train for food. Now, on this particular bulletin board cross-section of the world, there are two people who claim to have no concern for money - so much so that they're willing to place meaningless wagers which exceed the sum of $10,000 on the board in an attempt to quantify just how certain they are that they're right (the value of the quantification coming here presumably in the unit of Dollars U.S., though either or both of them might be Canadian in which case the bet is made all the more complicated due to exchange rates). Now, remember, both of these persons are absolutely certain that they're right and the other one is wrong. They don't care about money, because if they did, they wouldn't just volunteer it up as their sacrifice. They certainly don't care for each other (as evident by their terse replys to one another), but what they both have in common is that they both use the Shroomery bulletin board system.

Now, in the situation I just described, I would like both of you to use your divinatory abilities to prognosticate what will happen to this theoretical Shroomery Bulletin Board system. See what you can see fellas and let us know.

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Re: Cartoon/Human Relations [Re: Ishmael]
    #411452 - 10/02/01 06:34 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

:)

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Re: Cartoon/Human Relations [Re: Ishmael]
    #411473 - 10/02/01 06:53 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Generally I don't keep thousands of dollars laying around. In fact I make just enough to survive right now. The bet will conclude in 2004. If I happen to win, I will gladly donate all of the money to the Shroomery.
I would be what society would term a lower-class citizen, in terms of income. $20,000 is about what I make in a year, give or take. If I lose this bet, I will graciously sell everything I own in order to fulfill it.
For the time being...perhaps the spore suppliers who make a $15-20 profit on every free spore print they sell, would be willing to contribute a small portion. They do after all advertise here.
If I am obligated for some reason, then I will support the Shroomery how I can, for it has been good to me.



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