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2003 cataclysm
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You may or may not have heard about this. According to some the Earth is in for a huge change that will basically kill about 90% of the population. The basic theory is that a giant comet called the 12th Planet, which apparently comes for a visit every 3600 years, will come pretty close to the earth and cause our north and south poles to rotate 90 degrees taking the earth's crust with them.

I'm not a scientist or an astronomer or anything so I really can't judge whether or not this is probable or even possible. However I do have this feeling inside me that we are on the verge of something...it seems like a lot of people are thinking like this recently. Do you think that something like this is possible? And how would/do you feel about it? Some people think that it is a time for the human race to evolve into a higher dimension or something...others just think that we're all gonna die ;)

Anyway I just thought i'd post this because it seems like something everybody would have some kind of opinion on. Heres a page with some links about it: http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/links

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Revelation]
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i read about this on zetatalk.com, according to them, this planet can already be seen approaching, with a telescope or with the naked eye. Also the site claims that many effects upon the earth which are proof of the reality of this situation are already occuring, such as a very recent 6-inch rise in the worlds' shorelines due to the nearing vicinity of the planet. The way this site tells it is very convincing, as if it was all the truth and obviously so for anyone willing to accept all the supposedly true evidence. I believe it could happen, but because i can't verify the evidence they claim for myself i can't be 100% sure.
I've had a gut feeling for a long time like something was gonna happen in the near future where i wouldn't need a job, so why bother about finding a good one and getting set up financialy. Maybe i'm just lazy though ;)


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: mountainbiker]
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let us swim


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: lucid_dreams]
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Learn to swim...


Feed your head

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Revelation]
    #388651 -

Well I do know that the earths poles switch every now and then. But I don't know about the earths crust being drug along with them.

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Revelation]
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I have had this feeling, i dont know if its human nature to feel destructive or something, but i do know i have this feeling. I didnt think it would be a planet, or whatever. All these theory's and prophecy's show a world war 3 coming, or something that is the BIG one, the once that will wipe out earth, leaving only a few left to unite, and find the way, and the new way will be a better way, THE WAY, etc. I am kinda looking forward to it, but am also scared.

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Revelation]
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The whole "end of the world" theory is as old as society. Every millenium people get scared that the world is going to end at the end of the millenium. It never happens.

And what's this 12th planet theory? There's a 10th planet theory, but as far as I know there isn't a 12th planet theory. What about planets 10 and 11? Where are they?

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Revelation]
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I'm supprised no one is talking about the "evolution" into the 4th density... it's kind of a big thing after all.. we're all currently 3rd density beings. Time, distance, 3D are all 3rd density logic. When you think 4th dimensionally, things which don't make sense in 3rd density are perfectly cohereant. Like how hawkings proved mathematically that a sphere can be spinning in two directions at the exact same time... The planet is also know as the wave. It's a step, the next step where humans get to make up for their greed of the past (I doubt any of you have any idea what I'm talking about.. oh well) Know that developing your psi energy is very important. This is the only way to progress to the next step.

Namaste

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
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it all hinges on whether the earth's core is solid or liquid.


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: mountainbiker]
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its already happening with the destruction of the environment but thats not as impressive to cult leaders as a meteor destroying the planet but its much more realistic and scary


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: missulena]
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it is a very frightening thought and even if nothing does happen with this 12th planet, our race has already began the endless destruction of our Earth. I would be scared to take a glimpse of our world when I am middle-aged or dead. Even if we do colonize Mars, who cares?! The Earth has the most beauty of all the planets, hands down. If I could never see a flower or forest again I would just lose my mind. I'd rather die than live in a lifeless martian landscape.

We're all MADD here...

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Jared]
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hey i replied to this before and now my post has gone, what's going on?

basically i asked what you were talking about, how are you developing your psi energy, how does one think 4th dimensionally, isn't time considered to be the 4th dimension......

disappearing posts man...trippy shit....


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Traveller]
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time is the 4th dimension, music is the 5th


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: HB]
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Personally....I don't think we are destroying the planet.

How egotistical do you have to be to think you, or even we as a collective species, could destroy and entire planet??? I mean, do you really have any idea how enormous and complex the Earth is? We can never possibly come close to destroying the Earth. We can never possibly come close to destroying life. Life will survive, as it has in the past. Some form of it, in some small hole, will survive and thrive again. The Earth has survived a number of mass extinctions. The last was only 65 million years ago and what evidence of it do you see now? Is the Earth a barren landscape, with life barely holding on? No. There's as much life and as much diversity as there was during the time of the dinosaurs.

We can't destroy the Earth. We can't destroy life. We can only destroy ourselves.

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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: mountainbiker]
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I might be wrong but to something to the rise of the shore lines: the ice on both north and south pole is melting slowly because of global warming ( hopefully the right expression), so it has nothing to do with scary planets coming near to our beloved earth 8)


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Glitterbaby]
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Beware of the scary 12th planet!!!!

Geesh, it's like a '50s horror movie or something...I'll bet that when the 12th planet comes along its 3600 year journey, all of the planets in the solar system will be aligned, and it will create the fly monster who will kill any remaining life on earth after the poles shift.

On the subject of the ice caps melting a little, there was an interesting show on Discovery about how if they melt too much, it will lower the salinity of the surrounding water to a point that it would disrupt the "global conveyor belt". Apparently the conveyor belt is responsible for cold waters going to tropical oceans, and the warm water going to the poles. So basically without this conveyor belt, we'd have almost a return to an ice age. Isn't it interesting that global warming would be responsible for global cooling?

Remember I'll always love you as I claw your fucking throat away. It will end no other way.
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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: feign]
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I remember reading a theory once (Gaia?) about how the Earth maintains it's own natural equalibrium and that there is really nothing we can do to destroy it. If you push in one direction, the Earth pushes back in another direction and forces equalibrium.

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: trendal]
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"during my time here i had this revalation. all other mamals live off of instincts, but not humans. they all have a life cycle and do certain things to help this planet. humans on the other hand dont do that. they go to one place and use up all the natural resources, and then they move to another place and do the same" -they said something similiar to that on the matrix.
we are ruining the planet by making all these buildings, and roads, and using up all the gas. food isnt a problem, it is a continious growing thing. there will be a change in the future though, deffinately.
the only planet that we might be able to live on is venus. the only problem is that there isnt enough gravity so all the oxygen and gases that we need float out into space. this cuases a greenhouse effect so the surface is extremely hot and the water is always boiled and just floats around. we couldnt live on the moon since our bodies would adapt quickly to the low gravity and if we ever wanted to go back to earth then wed get a heart attack. venus is deffinately an option for the future though.

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Glitterbaby]
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The recorded global warming over the last few years corresponds directly to the sun's natural fluctuating heat output. My science class did a whole big project on finding out about global warming a few years ago, once I saw those charts I just stopped wondering entirely. Global warming is crap, like the y2k bug. It almost makes sense and has false evidence to back it up. Now as for a cataclysmic world changing event, that's a different story entirely and I feel we're getting pretty damn close.

Edited by RedNukleus on 09/09/01 09:02 PM.



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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Revelation]
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I only read the first few posts and the last post, so I don't know what's in between. As far as some planet coming close enough every 3600 years to rotate the earth's crust 90 degrees, that's horseshit. The magnetic poles do shift periodically, but not because of some rogue planet coming by. Global warming is a phenomenon just as ice ages are. The earth has been warmer than it is now, it has been cooler also. The problem though is that human activity is accelerating a natural process. Some organisms will be able to adapt to the rapid change, others will not. The point is, stability makes our lives comfortable. Shaking things up for the Earth is no big deal, it's had much bigger shake-ups. But for organisms that have one short life to live, like each of us, it's not fun. We'd be better off to maintain stability that incur a shake-up.


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: zetek]
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Hahaha nice picture :)



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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: aluminum_can]
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aluminum_can, you need to shut up. You consistantly make a fool of yourself with these posts.

Venus has an atmosphere. It's atmosphere is just as dense as Earth's. Venus has just about the same size and gravity as Earth.

The reason Venus is so hot, is because of it's atmosphere, which is almost completely carbon dioxide. You can't have a greenhouse effect without an atmosphere.

You're right that if we lived in a low-gravity environment our bodies would be weakened...but wrong about the heart attack. It's possible, but the human body can adapt to high gravity just as it can adapt to low gravity.

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Revelation]
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no, there is in fact a lot of evidence supporting the knowledge that the Nibiru, the 12th planet, is in fact on its way toward us. A couple decades ago, the ancient tablets were discovered from the most ancient civilization known, the civilizatin of Sumer. The tablets were decoded.....it foretold of the 12th planet- it is called the 12th planet because Sumer considered the Sun and Moon to be planets I think. In the 80s sometime this planet was in fact discovered by astronomers and can still be seen. Now, the planet, Nibiru, is by Uranus I think. There was just an article in the newspaper about it, and it confuses scientists quite a bit. It is due to be causing the pole-shift, great big motherfucker disasters, in spring 2003 I think.
Now, I first heard about this a few months ago after I read Rule By Secrecy by Jim Marrs, and I am hearing more and more about it....things tieing together and making sense....further evidence supporting this idea. People can't believe this because it's so fucked up to think about. I'm not sure what to think, I can't really believe it, but that's because of my programmed control of having a closed mind- like all of us. I don't know, but there's every reason for me to believe enough to prepare. TroubledTimes.org is dedicated to this matter, I got a small book for FREE on how to prepare and survive during and after the pole-shift. The band Tool knows about this....read about this subject.....listen to Lateralus. Open your mind people, for fuck's sake. Don't flame people because you can't believe something and let alone read anything about it so you can form a legit opinion.

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: KeepAskingTime]
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I did a search for this "Nibiru" planet, but the links I found were much less than promising if you hope to have anyone believe in this "12th planet" theory.

This one is pretty funny:
http://www.2012.com.au/Nibiru.html

This one is much more intelligent sounding, but still lacks any concrete evidence:
http://www.crystalinks.com/nibiru.html

Well all the other sites I found follow one of those two patterns. I searched for almost an hour, and did not find one single reputable scientific report about this Nibiru planet, let alone a photograph or even a radar image. Sorry guys, doesn't look true.

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: trendal]
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Get "Pole Shift" by John Warren White. Although i haven't read it myself (should be delivered tomorow), it's by a respected scientist and gives some pretty solid evidence, apparently. But in the latest edition there is a 17 page chapter at the end of the book where he retracts everything he says and gives reasons why a pole shift is not possible....after spending almost 500 pages explaining why it is. Conspiracy!

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: trendal]
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you can't find any reputable scientific evidence cuz the gov. doesn't want chaos. Hello people: you can look at the night sky and see it. This is it, It's gonna freggin happen, the end of business as usual.

the sun isn't the only cause (or a cause at all?) of global warming; it's the gravity of the nearing planet x heating up the earth and her oceans, which melt the icecaps and also expand the water itself.

look at sites about planet x that don't claim impending cataclysm, you'll see more and more pieces of the puzzle slot into place.

excerpts from xfacts.com:
In 1982, NASA themselves officially recognised the possibility of Planet X, with an announcement that 'some kind of mystery object is really there - far beyond the outermost planets'. One year later, the newly launched IRAS (Infrared Astronomical Satellite) spotted a large mysterious object in the depths of space. The Washington Post summarised an interview with the chief IRAS scientist from JPL, California, as follows:

"A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion by an orbiting telescope... 'All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is', said Gerry Neugebauer, chief IRAS scientist.

The 6,000 year old Sumerian descriptions of our solar system include one more planet they called "Nibiru", which means "Planet of the crossing".The descriptions of this planet by the Sumerians match precisely the specifications of "Planet X" (the Tenth Planet), which is currently being sought by astronomers in the depths of our own Solar System.

To illustrate some of the amazing knowledge the Sumerians possessed 6,000 years ago, I will use a reference to something that to this day is still being taught in our high schools and colleges. When the Earth was much older, we can determine the land mass was a once a clumped together mass at one point in time. But due to the process known as "Continental Drift" the land clump was slowly pulled apart to where the current land masses are today. We can see clear proof that the continents were all once connected by simply looking at a map of the Earth and seeing how the pieces fit. That would only mean that at one time, Earth was basically half a planet. If you were to syphon all the water off of Earth's surface, you would see a large gapping hole where the ocean has filled in this tremendous missing part of the Earth. Where did it go? Why is Earth only half a planet? The diagrams shown here are descriptions from the Sumerians explaining how our Earth came to be... They state that PLANET X, (Nibiru) as they called it, collided with our primitive Earth in the past. Creating the asteroid belt and forever becoming another member of our solar system in a comet like 3,600 year orbit around the sun.



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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: mountainbiker]
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3600 year.. creepy.. I'm not sure which civilization it was, but one of them had a math system based on 15, 3600.. is part of this, as wella s with time 60 minutes has 3600 seconds, so on and so on.. whats teh point of my post? Damned If I know!

Namaste

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: trendal]
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haha! that's some good reading! all completely possible of course, also completely possible that i'll wake up any second now.....so how do we prepare for the return of nibiru folks? don't know about you guys, but i'm going to learn mad kungfu and chi gong, meditate constantly, learn to control my dreams and make wicked music and dance at every available opportunity. oh and spend lots of time on beaches, in forests and up mountains.

but wait up, wasn't i doing that stuff anyway??

i bet those nibiruians have some mad kung fu styles of their own.....wonder what their music's like?


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Traveller]
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zecharia sitchin....

all i've read about this topic says it's going to be in 2012, not 2003. that way, things like the mayan calander, and the fact that psychics can't see past the year 2012, etc. all fit in to the mix.

although i admit i've also had this feeling you all are talking about (half expecting the world the world to end any day) for the last few years, this is still pretty far-fetched.

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Jared]
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I do have a clue what you're tallking about..

Ascension, densities 1 through 7 (?), Holograms, Sacred Geometry, Merkaba..

But I don't understand much except Holograms.. Just way too much information for me head.. :o)

All I know is, people in Merkaba is trying too fast.. Some too eager to fulfill the ego's needs

Then there are the others; Ascended Masters, ETs, and higher densities entities(than 3rd) teaching ascension..

It's just a morass of confusion. Maybe between delusion and disllusion, there's a kernel of truth to it.

I've read predictions of 4th density shift on a massive scale (80-90percent of world pop), and it never happens. It was predicted to happen in 1996, now 2003. I doubt it will happen because communist china is 2/3 of world pop. Maybe on a smaller scales delegated to self-realized practitioners who does have a clue. If change on a massive scale occurs (in 2003), it will certainly not going to be 4th density.

If I'm wrong, I'll rejoice in 4th dimension! haha

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
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This 12th planet deal has become a distinct possible senerio for my future. I don't usually buy into stuff right away, but I do feel that it is defitely possible that this could occur. Our modern recorded science is so young and people tend to only accept scienctific fact as fact. Things such as the supernatural or telekinetic powers or OBE or psychic powers are so easily tossed aside as "entertainment only"

Throughout my teenage years i could never, in the faintest, imagine myself as middle-aged or a senior citizen. Its not like the concept of growing old, but I just didn't feel it's existance for some reason. Here I am, a few weeks from being 20; still not going to make it, but i might be able to buy a beer before the fit hits the shan.

But do I want this to happen? In a deep primortial sort of way, yes. I've always wanted to just leave everything behind, step into nature, never to return to the jungle of society. I know i could survive if given the proper amount of luck ie. I move the hell outa FL before it gets tital waved, don't fall vicitim to nuclear fallout, don't get hit with firery rocks from the sky.

Maybe it seems like i'm taking this a little too seriously, but after witnessing several thousand people lose their lives today, I want to survive. Maybe we are just an accidental creation flying on a rock through space, subject to unfathomable effects from other celestial bodies. We're just here for the brief ride, then we get kicked off.

On Sept 20th I'm going to try to confirm or refute this 12th planet stuff by going to my college observatory with the coordinates that this thing is supposed to be at. Maybe i'll see something, but the trajectory would still need to be calculated somehow. Also if anyone has that star/comet/planet tracking program made by JASC or even something better, i'd apriciate a PM.





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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Eightball]
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I think this should have it:
http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword030.htm



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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: dragoon]
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Whoever said the polar shift could not be caused by a passing planet...I am glad you are so smart.... I mean there are only a bunch of top grade scientist wonder why the poles shift every so often...they have no idea... i think you should call them and tell them to cross of large astral body as a possibility....

and the guy who said that the planet x's gravity field is heating up the water and land...please explain, i dont see how an atractive force could excite atoms(heat)...im not bashing you i am just curious.

and lets not forget another reason venus is so hot...its WAY closer to the sun....as well as co2

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Eightball]
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Eightball, I think you have the right attitude. Believe it enough to prepare for the [possibly] coming disasters. Survive and evolve.



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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Eightball]
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I agree with Eightball also.
I think everybody deep down on some level wants the world as we know it to change dramatically in an instant.
It is almost programmed into everybody's mind that we are invincible. And to look at human evolution you could be forgiven for beleiving it. Our society is so complex that we fail to see things from a neutral viepoint.
We know for sure that our planet is pretty much negligible in comparison to everything in existence. Look at the sun, it has so much energy and potential energy. It is millions of miles away yet it gives life and destroys life simultaenously, but on universal scale it is not even a grain of sand in the sea.
What i'm trying to say, is that people have come to beleive we are the centre of the universe, that we are indestructable. Nobody wants to beleive that our way of life could just be gone in the blink of an eye and forgotten for all eternity without much changing at all.
But, in retrospect, i feel that we should carry on with our lives and live it how it is, and have fun, even though it serves no purpose except to entertain our souls.



and i couldn't awake from the nightmare that sucked me in and pulled me under
pulled me under
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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Chonger]
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amen


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Eightball]
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First, physics. Physics 101 teaches us that the influence of gravity is a function of mass over distance. A planet (of any size) would have to have a tremendous mass to be influencing the planetary fluctuations of Earth from the outter reaches of the solar system. The /Moon/ influences the tides not because of its mass (which is relatively small), but because of its proximity. If this 12th planet exists, it wouldn't be able to be 'felt' here on Earth until it was nearly ontop of us. It is not responsible for the accelerated rate of global warming on earth - do no obsolve yourself of responsibility too quickly - we are. Not to contradict other posters, but Humans are a contributer to global warming. Yes, the current levels of heat transference do correspond to sun's cyclical heat flux, but that doesn't account for the apparent /alteration/ of the cycle itself (in that this most current flux is occuring on a 'non-pridictive timescale' - the model that relies soley upon the sun-cycle isn't accounting for some other factor which skews results).

Second, philosphically speaking, the association between destruction mythology is not limited to civilization alone (our culture or society). Many Indian tribes have myths about rising from other 'worlds' which were destroyed by disasters of one kind or another. The anasazi believed this is the fourth world, the third which they escaped from via a hole in the earth, was destroyed by a great flood (which corresponds to the Aztec mythology and perhaps even our own). But the idea of one grand 'judgement day' in which all will be destroyed and sin will be tallied up on the great divine score board...that /is/ something unique to our culture. Why? Fear. Be good or when the day of judgement comes, you'll loose. Nothing facinates the human pyche like death, especially our own, so any good religion has to incorporate it to be able to exert control over its followers (Zoroaster was a master of such and it is he who is likely the father of the idea of 'Judgement Day').

But what about this 12th planet business? I have no opinion. Stranger things have and will occur in the universe, like a photon emitted by the first star being caught in the event horizon of a black hole and escaping only to show up as a radar blip on NASA telescopes. In a universe of infinite possibilities, the only thing which is certain is that the theoretically unlikely is what is likely to occur. But be cautious of any ideology or philosophy that claims to be helping you while at the same time offering you 'great rates' on their '12th planet collison survival pack'. Yes, most of us here are unified on the priciple that we desire, hope and dream of a great change. But don't allow yourself to be exploited by that desire. Keep your mind clear and exercise Innocense.

"The Ancient Tradition that the world will be consumed in flames at the end of 5000 years is true, as I have heard from Hell."
-William Blake

Ish


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Ishmael]
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Back up to the top.



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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Ishmael]
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>>First, physics. Physics 101 teaches us that the influence of gravity is a function of mass over distance. A planet (of any size) would have to have a tremendous mass to be influencing the planetary fluctuations of Earth from the outter reaches of the solar system. The /Moon/ influences the tides not because of its mass (which is relatively small), but because of its proximity. If this 12th planet exists, it wouldn't be able to be 'felt' here on Earth until it was nearly ontop of us.<<

Correct you are sir! To be precise, the 12th planet has 3 times the mass of Earth, and is much more dense. It will pass very close to the Earth, and we will not feel the physical effects until we can see it in the sky. First, the Earth will slow rotation as it draws close, and eventually stop rotating. This will last about three days, as told in ancient stories as a "long day" or a "night that lasted forever"
As the 12th planet passes, the Earth will shift it's poles to deal with this new gravity. And as it leaves towards the Sun, the Earth will begin rotating again, in its new placement.

>>It is not responsible for the accelerated rate of global warming on earth - do no obsolve yourself of responsibility too quickly - we are. <<

yes the global warming is a direct result of our misuse and abuse of Planet Earth. We're just lucky we haven't completely destroyed the atmosphere yet...like we did to Mars....




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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: ]
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Shroomism..about this 4th dimension business. In order for us to move into this dimension would we have to die? Or would we have to live? Because surely there will be some survivors. And i'm not really sure what the 4th dimension is exactly...would we still "live" on this Earth?

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Revelation]
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>>Shroomism..about this 4th dimension business. In order for us to move into this dimension would we have to die? Or would we have to live? Because surely there will be some survivors. And i'm not really sure what the 4th dimension is exactly...would we still "live" on this Earth?<<

You would have to live. There will surely be survivors...we will never know the exact number until the day occurs. It is all up to the mass consciousness. We are hoping that EVERY SINGLE PERSON on Earth will ascend into the 4th dimension. However this is a best case scenario.

To answer your second question.... Yes we would indeed live on Earth. The Earth is what is going into the 4th dimension. We must either join it into the higher dimension, or die. Because you see, the 3rd dimension on Earth will be essentially completely destroyed and will start over. Tidal Waves, Volcanos, Earthquakes, any natural disaster you can think of, all of catyclysmic proportions. It will be impossible to survive in the 3rd dimension during and after the pole shift.
When we ascend into the 4th density...the natural disasters will have no effect in our dimension, we will be living in a higher vibrational rate.




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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: mountainbiker]
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>>To illustrate some of the amazing knowledge the Sumerians possessed 6,000 years ago, I will use a reference to something that to this day is still being taught in our high schools and colleges. When the Earth was much older, we can determine the land mass was a once a clumped together mass at one point in time. But due to the process known as "Continental Drift" the land clump was slowly pulled apart to where the current land masses are today. We can see clear proof that the continents were all once connected by simply looking at a map of the Earth and seeing how the pieces fit. That would only mean that at one time, Earth was basically half a planet. If you were to syphon all the water off of Earth's surface, you would see a large gapping hole where the ocean has filled in this tremendous missing part of the Earth. Where did it go? Why is Earth only half a planet? The diagrams shown here are descriptions from the Sumerians explaining how our Earth came to be... They state that PLANET X, (Nibiru) as they called it, collided with our primitive Earth in the past. Creating the asteroid belt and forever becoming another member of our solar system in a comet like 3,600 year orbit around the sun. <<

MountainBiker...you have a good grip on it, but let me clear up a few points for you.

The Earth in the past was never really one big continent. There was a very large continent, and a bunch of little ones. The Sumerians witnessed the passing of the 12th planet, and were in fact in contact with the beings who reside on it.
The 12th planet does revolve around our sun and another in the Orion system. The revolution is 3,600 years.

>>They state that PLANET X, (Nibiru) as they called it, collided with our primitive Earth in the past. Creating the asteroid belt and forever becoming another member of our solar system in a comet like 3,600 year orbit around the sun.

This is partially true.
The asteroid belt came to be when the 5th planet in our solar system (at that time) spontaneously exploded. The planet was called Maldek. Most of the people who live on Earth now were on Maldek when it exploded, just as many of us lived on Mars and Venus when they were once hospitable planets.
Without going into too much detail, (it would take up 30 pages) the reason the planet exploded was because of a very extreme imbalance of negative and positive energies. Lucifer was responsible for the destruction of this planet, and that's about all I can say.


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Traveller]
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>>i bet those nibiruians have some mad kung fu styles of their own.....wonder what their music's like?

If you examine Roman culture you will be looking at an exact replica of the Nibiruans. The Romans modeled their whole civilization based on the beings from Nibiru. They even dressed the same. If you want to know who built the pyramids...it was the Nibiruans...to use as a tracking device when they return to our solar system. However, they wont be visiting Earth this time around...as the Earth will be going into the 4th density as they pass, and they will remain in the 3rd.


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: ]
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huh, didn't the Romans copy the Greeks?


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So we move into the 4th dimension *before* the cataclysmic events. I understand now...it's just that the zetatalk website talks about how the people living in certain parts of the world should prepare to die. Anyway thanks for clearing that up.

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Revelation]
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>>So we move into the 4th dimension *before* the cataclysmic events. I understand now...it's just that the zetatalk website talks about how the people living in certain parts of the world should prepare to die. Anyway thanks for clearing that up.<<

Where you live doesn't matter so much as how prepared you are, spiritually. Actually, the shift into the 4th dimension has been occurring for the last 10 years, it is a gradual process. It's impossible to say exactly when the exact shift will take place, but it's safe to say sometime in spring/summer 2003. And it is not necessarilly *before* the catyclysms. In fact, they will probably take place at the same time.
The shift into the 4th dimension in 2003 is just a short trip...our particles will continue to accellerate, and our evolution will continue to grow in light years.
The moment of quantum awakening...the exact time when our Earth will shift into the 5th dimension, and completely leave behin the physical world, becoming spiritual matter is December 21, 2012, the winter solstice.
Skeptics....mark your caldender and if that day comes and nothing happens. Then laugh at me all you want. But until then..I don't want to hear a word :)


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: ]
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shroomism how have you figured all this out?

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Psycho]
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Many ways. I have been preparing for this event for quite some time now. Before this life, I chose the mission to come to Earth at this time and help the awakening as much as possible. I studied for a unkown period of time, learning as much as possible. Once incarnated, my memories were stored away only accessable through my higher self. I was to live life through normal trials and experiences until I reached the point where I could uncover my previous memories through my higher self. My life was specifically directed in order to gain the knowledge that is required for the type of job that I chose. Although not consciously aware of what I had learned, it helped a lot when the time came to remember.
After I had awakened to my higher self, I began absorbing as much information as possible, reading books, communicating with more advanced beings, and delving deeper into myself. It was a gradual and exponential process. To this day I continue to learn more about the transformation, myself and the effects and implementations this has on the rest of the world.
Anyone can have access to this same information I have, though many do not know where to find it, or choose to ignore it. For this reason I have come to give this information to those who seek it.


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: ]
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thank you Shroomism.
For helping and spreading your wisdom.

Edited by KeepAskingTime on 09/24/01 05:15 PM.



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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: KeepAskingTime]
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For what?


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: ]
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What kinda things brought about your awakening to your higher self? . . . Meditation?... Exploring your chakras?. . . Drugs? And if you would be so kind as to give me some info on raising my frequency/vibration I'd be in your debt (=

Peace.


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: ~`Tursiops truncatus`~]
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Well I can't pinpoint exactly what it was...but I'm sure it was a combination of many things.
I hadn't even consciously tried meditating until after I had awakened. Although now that I think about it...I used to always go into a "trance like state of nothingness" without even realizing it.
Dreams had a lot to do with it.
I think that lsd, mushrooms, salvia, and dmt also helped open the doors.
But more than anything was becoming consciously aware of the alien presence.

Oh yeah....and books.....read books....lots of books...good books
I can recommend many good books for you that will probably change your life

Edited by Shroomism on 09/24/01 01:55 AM.


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: ]
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Shroomism, so what kind of books would you recommend?


Edited by dragoon on 09/24/01 07:04 AM.


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: dragoon]
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Recommended Books:

"The Third Millenium - Living in the Posthistoric World" by Ken Carey
"The Starseed Transmissions" by Ken Carey

"The Pleiadian Agenda" by Amorah Quan Yin
"The Pleiadian Mission" by Randolph Winters
"Pleiadian Perspectives of Human Evolution" by Amorah Quan Yin

"Nothing in this book is true, but it's exactly the way things are" by Bob Frissel
"Something in this book is true" by Bob Frissel

"Preparing for Contact" by Lyssa Royal and Keith Priest


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: ]
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Thank you Shroomism, I am in great debt to you.


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: dragoon]
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You owe me nothing. Just treat me how I treat you.


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Eightball]
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So what did you decide?


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: dragoon]
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Hehe


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: dragoon]
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here is a very educational website on this subject.
http://www.xfacts.com/x1.htm


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: dragoon]
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Hey Shroomism, what kind of music do you like?



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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Mighty Bop]
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Quality Heavy metal and speed metal and classical


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To be more specific..

Iced Earth
Nevermore
Opeth
At the Gates
Blind Guardian
(older) Megadeth and Metallica
Iron Maiden of course
Samael
Destiny's end
Lefay
Gamma Ray

as for classical

Mozart
Beethoven
Vivaldi
Chopin
Stravinsky
Strauss
Bach

Of course I don't limit myself to just those named, but my main consumption of music is stated above.



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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: ]
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Both ends of the spectrum ay?



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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Mighty Bop]
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Indeed


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my two favorites are Shpongle and Tool.
I think you should listen to Tool, Shroomism. Interpret the lyrics, a lot of evolution and mathematics. The most astounding music!



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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Revelation]
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This reply is mainly directed to Shroomism and all that believe as he/she does.....this is a copy and paste from my post on cartoon/human relations:

Shroomism, do you believe in the validity of dreaming? Swami?

Well I do. I think dreams are very valid things that exist for specific purposes; broadly speaking they exist to help us, to serve us, and to "tell us" or "remind us of" things that we need to know or may have forgotten.

This whole pole shift thing and everything is something that, quite apart from believing or disbelieving it, I would not personally place stock in unless the community of active dreamers picked it up on their radar. I believe some kind of transcendental event like this that is headed our way would be preceded by waves of dream precognition, and at the very least there would be a stir among the denizens of The Dreaming that "something was coming".

There is no such stir right now, that I can detect. I would be interested in your thoughts concerning this.







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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: cantara]
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I totally believe in the validity of dreams. Dreams are our subconscious minds at work without the constant droning of the conscious mind..because it is out cold ;)
The subconscious is what feeds our conscious mind information. The conscious mind is very fragile, it will only accept what fits in it's reality. It is a known fact that often when someone experiences something that is hard for them to grasp...whether it be a tragedy, massive amounts of fear, an unbelievable event, or anything of that magnitude...the logical conscious mind cannot fit it into its structure of reality and passes it along to the subconscious for it to deal with. The subconscious recieves all kind of information like this all the time...stuff that the conscious just couldn't handle. This is some of the stuff that emerges in our dreams. We need to deal with our fears rather than supressing them, or else they will eat us from the inside. This is one of the reasons that dreams bring up things or events that startle us.
Dreams are also a place where we evaluate ourselves, and learn. It is a place where we plan our future and present, and sometimes evaluate the past.

The pole shift is not meant to be taken as a doomsday, armegeddon type mentality. The pole shift is just the physical manifestation of what is going to occur on Earth, as it has occured every 3,600 years for the past 100 million years.
The main focus that I try to place on the pole shift, is that this one coincides with a spiritual awakening. Rather... the spiritual awakening is what is happening, the pole shift is just a by-product of that.
As far as dreamers predicting this event. I could give you the names of many such people..who you could communicate with online or over the phone or letters who forsee this event, and have seen it coming for thousands of years as it happens like clockwork.
I myself have been subject to dreams of the awakening, taking many different forms over the past several years. They range from an open, unified Earth of loving people, who, together enter a world without prejudice and live in harmony with all of Creation and flow in harmony with this transition... to dreams of total chaos on Earth as it cleanses itself of all the negative forces.
The scenario that occurs is totally dependant on us, humans of Earth. We can fight it until the end, denying our oneness with Creation, whereby 90% of the population will be destroyed. Or, we can come together as a planet, and recognize each other as spiritual beings on different paths of learning, and live with love, whereby we will transcend all of this physical chaos as our whole world will enter into the 4th dimension leaving behind all of the bullshit of our past.
The choice is entirely up to us, I would prefer to see the latter half occur, which is what thousands of beings, including myself are preparing for. We do not want to warp anyone's mind. We only wish to spread love, that everyone may live in harmony with one another, that everyone will see that there is more to life than what we experience in our world.

Take a trip to Australia, if you really want to hear some stories of this event. I don't know how familiar you are with the aboriginal people there, but they believe that the dreamtime is just as real as waking reality. They have prepared for this event for many generations.
We are still a couple of years until the actual event occurs. Things will increase in intensity, exponetially, until critical mass has been reached. Just observe how things progress in the coming months.



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Sorry, u seemed to have drifted orf topic before i had a chance to reply. My theory is that a comet or something comes close by to the earth every so many years. The increase in gravity causes mass floods and polar shifts. Evidence of this comes from basalt domes which were deiscovered to be aligned to a different magnetic pole than we have at the moment. As for the floods, read the bible or something. The ark, contaning a pair from each species was a space ship which our alien freinds used to repopulate the earth after the periodical catastropy. The dinosaurs were not deemed eligible to be saved, however for some reason the aliens have decided to save us on many an occasion. Before the disaster the ark will come and pick up the chosen ones.

As for dreaming and psychedelic experiences forseeing future and past events, my explanation for this, is that time is only linear in our consious minds, dreaming returns us to other parts of the mind where everything that has happened, will happen and is happening occurs all at the same time, this would also explain huches, deja vu, and other psychic wierdness. I am sorry if i have repeated anything, anyone has already said :D

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: dimethoxy]
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........or that the person named as Noah was chosen to be told of the coming floods caused by the gravitational interruption by Nibiru- by one of the Annunaki, and got an "ark", whether he built it himself or...? On board the ark were the DNA samples of all the species, one male-one female, thus a pair. Also, on the ark were some other people, possibly just Noah's family.

Edited by KeepAskingTime on 10/02/01 09:40 PM.



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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: dimethoxy]
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ok then what about these basalt domes, where did you hear about them and where can I find out about previous pole shifts?

see this is GOOD, basalt domes are PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, even though at this stage it is just a rumour of some basalt domes for some reason that means more to me than rumours of other rumours.

so what do i have to do to get a ride on the big space ark in 2003??


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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Traveller]
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I read about the basalt domes in a ancient astronauts style book. I havn't got the book at the mo, but I will find out the name and auther for you. Basicaly the domes were uncovered deep underground and were dated to be older than civilisation was previously thought to have existed for.

To get aride on the 2003 space ark, first take one quantum supra-phaser dimensional shift converter and attach it to a childs skateboard, then fly to zeta reticuli and ask the nice little greys to build you a space ark so you can rescue humanity from the burden of its own existance?? Seriously, I guess you have to be the right person, what sort of person the benevolent e.t's r looking for, is only known to them.

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Traveller]
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I read about the basalt domes in a ancient astronauts style book. I havn't got the book at the mo, but I will find out the name and auther for you. Basicaly the domes were uncovered deep underground and were dated to be older than civilisation was previously thought to have existed for.

To get aride on the 2003 space ark, first take one quantum supra-phaser dimensional shift converter and attach it to a childs skateboard, then fly to zeta reticuli and ask the nice little greys to build you a space ark so you can rescue humanity from the burden of its own existance?? Seriously, I guess you have to be the right person, what sort of person the benevolent e.t's r looking, is only known to them.

It's better to be hated for who you are than to be loved for someone you are not.

http://www.crystalinks.com/poleshifts.html

Edited by dimethoxy on 10/03/01 01:48 PM.



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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Traveller]
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>>see this is GOOD, basalt domes are PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, even though at this stage it is just a rumour of some basalt domes for some reason that means more to me than rumours of other rumours.

Are we talking about evidence of prior pole shifts?
What about mountain cliffs, which rise sheer in many cases thousands of feet, represent tearing of solid rock? Have any experiments been done to determine how much force would be required to tear rock of this depth? None have.
Beneath the sea in the Bahamas lies evidence of civilizations that went under the waves - highways and highway markers, clearly manmade. These areas have been explored by many fortune hunters, recorded by camera, and published in full color repeatedly. Likewise ancient Incan cities stand so high in altitude that the cities could not have been built, much less lived in. Yet the scientific community continues to claim that Earth changes happen gently, inch by inch, at the pace experienced during the memory of their current civilization.
Antarctica bears witness to her past as a steamy swamp, and likewise the North Seas, where oil is extracted. Likewise the temperate regions are scared by what is termed the Ice Ages, where these regions were as snow and ice packed as the poles. A clue to these changes lies in the magnetism frozen in hardened lava, which demonstrates that Magnetic North and South changed now and then. Has any adequate explanation been proffered by the scientific community? None has, as all the explanations have the Earth's thin crust remaining in place, as the thought that they are standing on a raft that can move on the sea of magma beneath them is too frightening to contemplate.

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Shroomism you are one freaking intense dude. may I join your crusade in the awakening?

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Solaria]
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But of course! All are welcome.
I am merely a teacher in these times, a small part of the whole. Whatever impact I can make..I will do it with full force. The more people we have...the bigger the impact!

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Re: 2003 cataclysm [Re: Solaria]
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Shroomism you pointed out some interesting phenomena in earth's geology in the 50's a scientist named Emmanuel Velocogsty(please forgive the spelling)put forth some theories that earth changed in cataclysmic events. The 2 books I remember best were Earth in upheaval and worlds in collision. Both are very good reads and I think they are still in print.At the time he presented his work it was scoffed at by the establishment but nearly 20 years later one of his basic premises was proved true that the dinosaurs were wiped out by a comet or meteor strike this added some credence to his work and led to a reintrest in his theories.Many of the topics you expressed interest in he goes into great detail on i.e.. pole shifts, plate sheer , axis tilt. He also goes into detail on historic or mythic events such as the great flood and other cross cultural myths and folklore.
The one thing you mentioned that I have some knowage of is the bimini walls or roads while they appear to be man made I have witnessed the cause of the formation 1st hand. As shellbeds form they pack into a type of sand stone called marle it looks like a shell rich concrete and forms in huge flat thick sheets. As time goes by wave action erodes the sand under a sheet making a marle shelf theses shelves can go hundreds of yards at some point the shelf collapses the amount of sand on top of the shelf and the pillaring pockets under the shelf let the stone break much like a windshield of safety glass in square patterns.Wave action then removes the sand from the top of the shelf since now its under water leaving what looks like a road or a fallen wall in shallow coastal water.
I had the great fortune to witness this at a beach in St.Augustine Fla.. one night while surf fishing I heard a boom that sounded like distant explosion and the ground jumped like I was in a blast radius thinking a plane had crashed near me or a meteor had hit I went back up the beach to find to my amazement that a 400 yard long 150 yard wide section of beach that I had only hours before drove up was missing all of it well above the hi tide line. The sea was churning in the spot like nothing I have seen before or since shortly after fish started washing up all over the beach either stunned or dead.This same effect happens in Hatters NC and is know as the mystery cannons since the marle beds are on shoals off shore there but the residents still hear the sound when a shelf falls and the resulting fish kill washes in to the barrier island. I believe that lava plates could produce the same effect but haven't had the luxury to dive in pacific island chains and look for the square fracturing stone.

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>>The one thing you mentioned that I have some knowage of is the bimini walls or roads while they appear to be man made I have witnessed the cause of the formation 1st hand. As shellbeds form they pack into a type of sand stone called marle it looks like a shell rich concrete and forms in huge flat thick sheets. As time goes by wave action erodes the sand under a sheet making a marle shelf theses shelves can go hundreds of yards at some point the shelf collapses the amount of sand on top of the shelf and the pillaring pockets under the shelf let the stone break much like a windshield of safety glass in square patterns.Wave action then removes the sand from the top of the shelf since now its under water leaving what looks like a road or a fallen wall in shallow coastal water.
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Yes I am familiar with Bimini walls, which are caused by natural events such as erosion. What I was reffering to was *cities* found under the ocean. As I mentioned, it has been well documented and anyone who wishes to seek this information can find it quite readily.
Highways, literally hundreds of feet below sea level on the ocean floor have been found with highway markers, stretching for many miles. Near the highways have also been found traces of ancient cities...what's left of them anyway after being underwater for 12,000 years. Try going scuba diving in the general vicinity of Bermuda Triangle. i.e. Atlantis

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