Zekebomb said:

yeah, I figure zero and infinity are way more similar than they first seem

don't ask me to prove this or something though, because I clearly can't. If you then say that devalidates my position, I will ask you to prove why proof is so important

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Zekebomb said:

yeah, I figure zero and infinity are way more similar than they first seem

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Similar, yes, very....    Different, yes, very....  The Same, no, not even the least bit close....       

There IS _ONE + ^one HUGE difference tho~....    It CAN be figured out, and with MUCH proof you will see, --once you do figure it out....    You must think it thru grasshopper....   

uriahchase said:

i don't get how a circle can be un-perfect???
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circle: a plane curve everywhere equadistant from a fixed point.
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infinity: unbounded space, time or quantity
        A distance setting, as on a camera, beyond which the entire field is in focus
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Zero and infinity.....zero would be the fixed point at the center of a circle and anything beyond the plane of that circle is infinity..?

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A "perfect circle" is imperfect, and even some of the truth is in your words, just not all of the proof, as some is no proof at all....  A "fixed point", (in my humble opinion), is not ZERO, nor is it ONE....    It would be more like the decimal place in:  1.0, but not necessarialy....  Again, it must be thought thru, or perhaps it is a "realization"....?  Perhaps you have already come to your decided conclusion, and you will not need to think it thru to see the answer....?   

Gomp said:

how many zeros can you put in front of any number, yet having the value of it unchanged?
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how many infinity's can you put in front of any infinity, yet having the value of it unchanged?
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don't know what I'm getting at, if anything..

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Brother, I had wondered if you out of all people had figured this out yet....(?)  Do you know know....?  Please PM me if you do, my friend of friends....    I cannot be the only one to have figured it out....(?)    Your mind is so much more beautiful than that of mine....   




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One HUGE hint/proof that a circle is not perfect (without giving away that answer), is that Pi is quite simply perfect - in imperfection, and the non-repeating numbers past the decimal place never end without pattern, infinitely.... 


Question:      So how can one make something Perfect, or get a "perfect absolute Solution" without a finitively resolved part of the equation....?    Impossibility....     

Answer:    The difference lies in between that of Relative and Absolute....  As is what lies between Perfection and Imperfection....    As is all, depends on absolute and relative perception - based on one's point of view....    Such plagued flaws haunt Life and it's ever neverending cycle, infinitely and indefinately....   


The difference between zero & infinity, is very equally related to the difference between what it is that makes a Circle Imperfect, and what it is that makes it a Perfect Circle....     As these are equally related to the Endless cycles of Life itself  as each cycle does End....    As a Moment in time is related to TIME itself....  As a Life is related to the ashes and dust of one's passed and Lifeless physical body....  As the difference between the darkest Dark, and the brightest Light....  As the difference between absolute Silence, and the loudest of the Loud....    As the fire of one's Spirit in Life relates to the Fire of one's physical Death....  As the difference between a Circle and it's relation to a Cycle....  As it holds the "Meaning" in Meaning itself....    I think it even goes much further that this in relations, but I will have to ponder on it some more when my thoughts are cleared from my head....  You get the picture tho~....  Perhaps....   

There is a definate answer....    And it is *seemingly* very Simple in complexity....  To which I don't think I am supposed to openly or freely share....  But I can and did, offer some of the proof to help point to ways to be able to think it thru on your own....  I think once others do figure it out, or if those who have, will *feel* that they also cannot share that information/answer....    As, if everyone knew just by being told, you may not even believe you have found the answer, AND it would not be so "grand", or an acheivement to have figured it out on your own....    A river does run thru it, as it is flowing with time itself....    It just is....     

If everyone KNEW, well then, they would indeed KNOW, if their perception Allowed one to truly Believe....   

Such is bitter sweet Poetry in eMotionALLmotivINflowingMotionLife....

Knowledge is Life, Life is Love, Love is Infinate....  The Universe as it was created by God....  (In)Perfect Imperfection....

----As it were....   


ME....

uriahchase said:

define perfect circle and imperfect circle..

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Define perfect and Imperfect, and you will have your answer.... 
Even on a highly powered computer, there is a point where the beginning and end meet....  Making the circle imperfect....  You tell me how one would make a perfect circle, and how it would be tested to be perfect.... 

And again I ask, how can one make something Perfect, or get a "perfect absolute Solution" without a finitively resolved part of the equation....?    Impossibility....     

How can you get something perfect from a perfectly defined radius value, and then multiply it by a rounded number, and think that it is "perfect"....?  The theory is flawed as far as mathematics are concerned, but in the part of the riddle I was refering to really had nothing to do with the mathematics of a circle at all....  Kinda~....  It more had to do with the geometry....  Remember, it is a riddle, not an equation.... 

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zero has no value no way to be measured as does the center or fixed point of a circle. zero----1,2,3....infinity?  hrmm well the symbol for infinity the figure eight has a fixed point which the curved plane passes twice in one full "circle" "rotation?? lack of better words...yeah the train stopped sorry

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Train stopped...?    Hell, the train just started, as it were.... 

Zero = holds no value....  Pretty simple....
Infinity = Holds any value....  Pretty simple too....
But, both can coexist together with a seperating decimal point....

And I quote from my silly posts from up above....
"A "fixed point", (in my humble opinion), is not ZERO, nor is it ONE.... It would be more like the decimal place in: 1.0, but not necessarialy...."

On the side of the "1", it could be ANY value, as it represents the "Infinity" side....  The "0" side of the decimal, well, represents Zero....  But, that zero *could* still be represented as an infinite amount of Zeros....  Thus the Paradox....  (sort of? )

It is like the Point is a launching pad to either Infinity, or or an Infinity of Nothingness....    Crazy shyt....  Damn, I forgot the question.... 
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if you take a circle by two points opposite eachother and twist one end 180 degrees you get a figure eight..?

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Yes, the Symbol is a sideways 8, and twisted 180 degrees, I have posted that in the last few weeks somewhere....  And I guess the train stops here because you are right....!    Are you trying to say that the symbol for infinity is perfect too....?     

Perhaps it was a riddle....?   
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OK, well all of this, and I still say (as said above) NOTHING is "perfect"....  But, EVERYTHING is "perfect" in it's "imPerfections"....  Thus making EVERYTHING "Perfect"(ly imperfect)....  But, kinda~ not, but most surly could be....!  Thus the PaRaDoX of the Riddle....  I dunno~ how to help you solve the riddle any better than this....   

So, no matter what you say or ask, you are WRONG and also kinda~ RIGHT too....  Well, in a right way of Perfect imPerfection kinda~ way....  Remember perception, it is a bitch....! 


ME....

uriahchase said:

i also see magnetic forces in a figure eight polar shifts at the furthest ditance from the center to the opposite side eternally..???make any sense?  but in figure eight there are three center(s) equadistant from the other

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NOW, I like this...!    I never thought of those magnetic fields of a Polar - B_eAR Magnet....  BUT, since we are talking so much about circles here, what does a circular magnet's magnetic field look like....?  I mean, wouldn't that be "more perfect" (in imperfection of course)....?  Somehow I don't think it would look like a figure 8, but I REALLY like the original point you brought up about the bar magnet's magnetic field....  Perhaps something for me to think about.... 

I will have to ponder that a few times....
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Have fun on your car man, and have a good day....!  It really looks nice outside - from my perspective....    (if you are working outside...)


ME....

egghead1 said:

0 is the beginning. Infinity is the endless progression from 0.

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Yes, but the zero doesn't just start rollin.... 

Find the answer to the riddle, and you will know what gives zero a lil(HUGE) push.... 

uriahchase said:

i mean on the very outer edges of the figure eight imagine if all of light tracing the figure and you were pull out and then back in to meet at the center which pushes you out (the same center that just pulled you in) and as you reach the very outer edge again pulled back to the center...and so on..
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i dont know again i say i have it in my head but i am not a man of "intelligent" words.
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BTW my knuckles hurt!!!!never buy a Toyota....(that was made before you were born)

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Sounds like it is a good thing that our planet's orbit is not in the same shape as the symbol for infinity....!    Wwhhhheeeewww....

I don't know either....    I do know if you rate intelligence by words, I am kinda~ screwed because I can't spell half of them rite.... 

And Toyotas last forever, well, you know what I mean.... 

thelastoneleft said:

9 times the color red explodes like heated blood

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